Operation Meet Hotel chicks: Field Report 1, Keisha

[Jukeboxhero]

Alright, just in case you guys don't know already I work at a hotel and one of my jobs is to call all the other Hotels and get daily Rate and availability. Most of these people know me pretty well since I've been calling them almost everyday for more than a year. However, I've never met any of them so finally I decided I should start trying to meet up with some of them, if nothing else I could expand my social circle a little and perhaps meet someone.

I had a couple of fallthrough meetings with one girl named Keisha but finally we finally got to meet each other last night. Unfortunately, things didn't go as well as I'd have liked them to. So before I get started I'm mostly concerned about 2 issues here. One is what to do when your "out" with a girl you might be interested in and some other guy starts moving in on her. Two, I want advice on what I did wrong here. So please read carefully and advise me on what mistakes I made and what I shouldn't do again

1. Date setup: I don't remember how the conversation started but she ended up suggesting the Time/place and I agreed. I would have liked to have been the one that did this but I don't know a lot bars/clubs to go to atm because I really haven't gone to any until recently.

2. Pre-date Call: I called her to confirm that we were still going to meet at pre-arranged Time/Location. Maybe I shoudn't have done this but I did it for several reasons.
a. We have never seen each other before so I wanted to ensure we coordinated a specific meeting time and found each other BEFORE going into the club.
b. I had other options and didn't want to have to change plans if she called me at the last minute.

3. At the club. Finally I get there and she calls a few min later when she arrives. I was expecting her to be black or mixed (because of her name; Keisha) but other than that I had no clue if she would be good-looking, overweight, ugly. I must say though, I was pleasantly suprised. She had a great body (very curvy) and nice blue eyes and of course she was part-black but with a very light skin-tone.
The first bad thing that happened was I forgot to get cash to pay the cover-charge so she ended up paying for it! Then once we got inside she asked what I wanted to drink and insisted on buying me something. After talking with her for awhile, I got one piece of information that I feel is important enough to share here. She was at one time engaged to this guy and now it's "up in the air" as to whether she's going to go through with or not.

Finally, I decided to make this an 'action' date so we started playin pool. After a couple. After a couple of games, two rather large Latino guys from the neigbhoring pool table were talking to her and asked if they could join us. Enter
Senor Stinky (I could seriously smell this dudes' B.o. from a mile away) and his friend who had a light speech impedement (if you don't lift your tongue when u speak, you'll get the general idea of what he sounded like).

Of course, Senor Lisp teamed himself up with Keisha and I was left with Senor Stinky. As the games progressed I noticed him using more and more Kino. First just resting his hand on the small of her back and then using that to lead her around. OF course on every shot he was right beside/behind her, helping her line it up. I think the highest point was when she was leaning against his arm and he planted a really small peck on her cheek. Also in between turns he was either getting her phone number or giving her his (probably both) and she also told them that she didn't work tommorow.

On the plus side, I did get some light Kino in too, one of the reasons I didn't lay it on her heavy like the other guy (although, I probably could have she was
very drunk and friendly) is because she might be engaged. Also, she didn't really return Kino to Senor Lisp as far as I noticed (just didn't reject his). Also, she whispered in my ear and ran her fingers along my back or whatever to mess up my concentration whenever I was shooting. Also, at one point Senor stinky asked she was my girlfriend (to which I said no, but she did have a ring a boyfriend/husband) so hopefully that message got relayed and they won't be trying to hook up with her. But, I doubt that detered them.

Anyways, that's all I have time to type for now and even though I'm really ashamed and kicking myself for my AFC behaviour but at least I learned a few things.

However, I still definelty want opinions on what I should've or could've done to improve things

P.s. If my post is too long or you think I should eliminate certain details, please let me know. Sometimes I feel that may be why I get low responces

 

[Jukeboxhero]

OK I don't get this! Why is nobody responding to my threads?

Are they too long? Is there too many irrelevant details?

I just don't understand why I'm getting no replies. I'm going out into the field, meeting girls and posting here for encouragement, advice and constructive criticism and yet my posts seem to sink to the second the second page with no replies almost every time.

Am I being ignored on purpose or does nobody have a clue as to how to handle this situation?

anyways, sorry to sound upset but I would really like some replies here and if there's something wrong with the way I wrote the post please let me know

 

[Sasha]

Damn boy! you're fcked!

1. she set up date/time
answer: YOU SHOULD HAVE!!

2. you called to confirm date
answer: YOU SHOULDNT HAVE!

3. she came late
answer: YOU SHOULD HAVE!

4. She payed entrence and drinks!
answer: YOU SHOULD HAVE!

5. She talked to some guy!
answer: It's ok, but don't let him "TALK" to her! get it?

6. 2 dudes joined you for pool.
answer: you sound like a ***** cuz you let them!!

7. dude asks her nr in front of you and you don't do a ****
answer: YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN IN THIS SITUATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

Now.. this is hos it should have been.
1. you call, jump over chit chat and set date/time (FIND OUT WHERE TO GO! GO AROUND TOWN, SEE A NICE CLUB AND THATS IT)
2. You souldn NOT call to confirm!
3. You get enough money and you meed 5 min AFTER SHE COMES! If you come and she is not there, go around block for a few more min.
4. You pay entrence and FIRST DRINK!! Not second! She will pay second. Then third, forth and so on, you.
5. you talk to her and if some playa wants a piece of your girl, you must say something, like "don't you need to go check on your kid or something" whatever and get her talking with you.. (kino)
6 a bit of dancing.. (kino)
7.pool (more kino)
8.guys ask to join, and you say, "I don't think so! I like one on ons" and smile to her! (more kino)
9. You get a second date.. or whatever!

Sasha

 

[chancer]

Dawg, grab your balls! Go after the next girl, and setup the date. Other than that, stick to the DJ Bible.

 

[( . )( . )]

After reading this, your reply in that other thread makes perfect sense now.

Originally posted by Jukeboxhero

P.s. Why are people always hate girls advice? I personally think blueangel gives some pretty decent advice but everyone seems to be 'hating' on her just because of her gender.

Youve got all the bullsh!t Sosuave/masf lingo down but the bigger picture clearly escapes you.

 

[Jukeboxhero]

Thanks for the replies guys!

I know I fvcked up big time and looking back I'm really kicking myself for the obvious things like not having money, and calling her and all that stuff.

However, the area I really need advice on is preventing other guys from moving in on my girl!

Sasha-- thanks for that great advice. I really appreciate those suggestions. I definetly should've used the "one on one" bit.
I do want to know, though. How would you suggest that I not let him "Talk" to her, without provoking a violent confrontation.

( . ) ( . )-- I know I messed up, but how did I follow "blueangel" or chick advice? Also, can you enlighten me on the bigger picture or anything I should've done differently, especially when it comes to dettering the competetion.

Finally, I realize now that I could used a lot more Kino on her but I didn't for two reasons. First, it's not something I've really done at ALL in the past--except when doing ballroom dancing or handshaking. Second, at that point, since I thought she might be "sorta" engaged I was just planning on having her as a friend.

So any additional advice, including what I should do in the future to "redeem" myself (assuming she'll still hangout with me, which it seemed like she was interested in doing) would be appreciated

 

[ketostix]

Hey, What club were you at we live in the same town. Well it's hard to say what you should've specifically done not being there. But really the only thing you did wrong was to not be assertive enough with these guys and your date. You should've declined their offer to play pool with you. You should've told them she's your date basically when they asked if she was your GF. Also you probably shoud've called them on trying to PU your date and tooled them a little in front of her, something along the lines of "hey man you sure are macking on her here..." You just got to be assertive with creeps like this..

There's some AMOG tactics on ASF. Your date didn't display much class either. It got to the point where you probably should of done a takeaway and started chatting up other girls in the club. A club is a bad place to take a girl you don't have a strong connection with, and you're seeing why. You probably should've venue changed her.

 

[Jukeboxhero]

Thanks for the reply Keto,

First though, I don't recall what AMOG and ASF mean and how to apply those.

Regardless, I definetly need to work on being assertive and in control...I really let these slimy bastards get away with everything. I'm still stuck on my AFC, pushover ways and I'm trying to work on that.

So I tell them "Hey man, Your mackin on my date"
They would be like "so?" I mean, I'm sure he realizes he's doing it and the main reason I didn't stop him is cuz I couldn't think of anything to say that effectively deter him at least not at the time.

Anyways, this is the first time this has happened to me since I'm relatively new to the whole club/bar scene so I hope I can get some ideas that will help be better prepared next time.
P.s. Isn't there some kinda of spray with "B-gone" in the name that's gets rid of these guys?

 

[Smooth Player 056]

I personally LOVE it when a guy tries to steal my girl im out with......they have NO idea whats about to hit them.

If a guy comes up to you and your girl...use my personal AMOG BLASTER:

"Dude, we were just having the most awesome conversation EVER before you came over, but wait, your a cool guy, Im sure you say cool shiit, say something cool"

BAM!....then quickly turn your back to him and keep on gaming the chick. You just turned him Beta and your the ALPHA.


Smooth Player 056

 

[Maximus_Decimus]

Originally posted by Jukeboxhero
Finally, I decided to make this an 'action' date so we started playin pool. After a couple. After a couple of games, two rather large Latino guys from the neigbhoring pool table were talking to her and asked if they could join us. Enter
Senor Stinky (I could seriously smell this dudes' B.o. from a mile away) and his friend who had a light speech impedement (if you don't lift your tongue when u speak, you'll get the general idea of what he sounded like).

If you bring your date to a club, expect her to be hit on. The advantage of a club is that if she is a little drunk, you can initiate kino and escalate but the disadvantage is that your date may be hit on at any time. Think about this beforehand. If you don't want guys to hit on your date, then above all, don't bring her to a club.

And why did you agree to allow them to play pool with you and Keisha? Unless Keisha said she was interested in playing pool with them, just politely tell them you are in a game or about to start a 1 on 1 game. This is your biggest f*ck up of the night.

Originally posted by Jukeboxhero
Of course, Senor Lisp teamed himself up with Keisha and I was left with Senor Stinky. As the games progressed I noticed him using more and more Kino. First just resting his hand on the small of her back and then using that to lead her around.

Why did you let them control the situation? You should have suggested to them first that you would play with Keisha. It's difficult for them to object because you are with her, not the other way around.

If you are the one that suggested Senor Lisp to team up with Keisha, then you set yourself up for that situation.

Originally posted by Jukeboxhero
OF course on every shot he was right beside/behind her, helping her line it up. I think the highest point was when she was leaning against his arm and he planted a really small peck on her cheek. Also in between turns he was either getting her phone number or giving her his (probably both) and she also told them that she didn't work tommorow.

Great. You aided your date in meeting a possible guy she may f*ck in your place. The worst part about it is, you can't show jealousy or get angry in this situation because you would look bad in front of Keisha and because he is her partner, he has every right to "help her line it up".

Your best bet at this point would be to excuse yourself to the bar after the game ended and leave Keisha to play with the two of them. If she doesn't follow immediately, go talk to other chicks and get their numbers. If she eventually chases you or immediately chases you, you are back in the driver's seat.

If Keisha stays with them and doesn't come back to you after a certain period of time, you return and tell Keisha that you have to go and suggest that maybe the two dudes drive her home instead. Scrap her number and find another chick.

Originally posted by Jukeboxhero
Also, at one point Senor stinky asked she was my girlfriend (to which I said no, but she did have a ring a boyfriend/husband) so hopefully that message got relayed and they won't be trying to hook up with her.

You lost control of the frame again. You should have responded, "Yeah, this week, she's been rotated as my Monday girlfriend. So, how is your rotation of girlfriends going?". Keisha will get it as a joke and Senor stinky will be left guessing and on the defensive. Be prepared to keep control of the frame with humor should they keep going after you.

Read Swinggcat's e-book too. If you can't control the frame with two obnoxious guys, you will have that many more problems controlling the frame with your future GF (or date).

Maximus_Decimus

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

You should not have allowed them to play pool with you. " hey wanna play pool together." "NO"

 

[seanchai]

Originally posted by Smooth Player 056
I personally LOVE it when a guy tries to steal my girl im out with......they have NO idea whats about to hit them.

If a guy comes up to you and your girl...use my personal AMOG BLASTER:

"Dude, we were just having the most awesome conversation EVER before you came over, but wait, your a cool guy, Im sure you say cool shiit, say something cool"

BAM!....then quickly turn your back to him and keep on gaming the chick. You just turned him Beta and your the ALPHA.


Smooth Player 056

HAHAHA that's awesome. I was gonna post some AMOG lines till I read that, but you nailed it. Golden...

Jukeboxhero, those guys ended up AMOGing you - they out-alpha'ed you. They presented something more interesting or more forward or more whatever than you, and despite your perception of his body odor and the other guy's lisp, these two dodes really knocked you out. You have to get in the mentality that Smooth Player seems to have, where you control EVERYTHING they do in their interaction with your date. Redirect what they want to do to her on to you: if they want to show her a trick or something, say "do it on me, man, show me, man." Those guys stepped into your territory... be the alpha male and make sure they leave with NOTHING. Good on you for getting out in the field and learning this stuff firsthand.

 

[Jukeboxhero]

Originally posted by seanchai
HAHAHA that's awesome. I was gonna post some AMOG lines till I read that, but you nailed it. Golden...

Jukeboxhero, those guys ended up AMOGing you - they out-alpha'ed you. They presented something more interesting or more forward or more whatever than you, and despite your perception of his body odor and the other guy's lisp, these two dodes really knocked you out. You have to get in the mentality that Smooth Player seems to have, where you control EVERYTHING they do in their interaction with your date. Redirect what they want to do to her on to you: if they want to show her a trick or something, say "do it on me, man, show me, man." Those guys stepped into your territory... be the alpha male and make sure they leave with NOTHING. Good on you for getting out in the field and learning this stuff firsthand.

OK, I obviously need some more information about What "AMOG" and "ASD" stands for, can someoen link me that post--maybe somewhere in the DJBible?

Secondly, I think I need to rephrase this encounter. It wasn't a girl who I wanted to Fvck or even a date per se. It was more of just meeting someone who I had always talked to on the phone but NEVER met before in real life until now. After she said she was probably engaged I put her in the friends category
for the time being.
However, I'm still annoyed by having other guys move in and try to kino her because she was drunk. Obviously I know to never take a real date to a club unless I develop some major ****-blocking, Amog (whatever that means) type of skills.

BTW, I took my friend out to fill some job apps and we stopped by the hotel she works and this is what she said to me
"Jukebox, Why didn't you stop me from giving my number out to those guys, now they won't stop calling me--I even told them I was back with my Boyfriend and they still keep calling!!"
Also, she suggested I should've pretended I was her BF for the night, which now that I think about it, I shoulda done something like that, even though she is probably just going to be a friend.

Regardless though, I'm out in the field learning how to deal with this sh*t first hand so I can be more prepared when a REAL date comes along.

Anyways, thanks for the info guys. It may not be as bad as it sounds but I still want to learn as much as I can from any mistake and obviously I need to read up on being assertive and AMOG'ing.

P.s. Hopefully she'll learn not to give her number out so easily but at least she's not hanging out with those stinky bastards.

 

[Maximus_Decimus]

Originally posted by Jukeboxhero
Regardless though, I'm out in the field learning how to deal with this sh*t first hand so I can be more prepared when a REAL date comes along.

That is the right spirit. Make sure you learn each time you go out in the field.

Originally posted by Jukeboxhero
Anyways, thanks for the info guys. It may not be as bad as it sounds but I still want to learn as much as I can from any mistake and obviously I need to read up on being assertive and AMOG'ing.

Make sure you are assertive in a socially acceptable manner.

Maximus_Decimus

 

[amethyst]

Hey there that is probably the saddest story and at some of the worst advice I have ever heard... First of all, what are you doing going out with a girl on a date? You should of just left it as a meeting or hanging out, a date should only be used to reward a girl for sex (and that’s after you got it) also why did you meet up with her in a bar? Bars are pickup hotspots, don’t expect no one to ogle your “date” just because you are there. Also you sound like a princess when you ***** about other people for having better game than you... Can’t you see you were the obstacle and those guys disarmed you, and walked away with her number (besides is it not what you were doing in the eyes of her fiancée?). Further more what are you doing screwing around with engaged women? Well as far as that goes you should have disarmed the "engagement scenario" by using a BF breaker, it wouldn't have been that hard seeing as she gave her number to those guys. Also why were you offering to buy her drinks? You are the prize not her bro.

Sorry about being so harsh but here is what you can do, ask her out again (not on a date) just take her out for coffee or something (not a movie, not a restaurant and defiantly not a bar or a club ) find a common ground and start using kino (maybe some "accidental" foot contact) appropriately. The only thing you need to know is that if you act and believe you are the best thing that happened to that girl she will start to believe it herself.

Anyway I would personally just move on, there is plenty of fish in the sea think about it if she is willing to screw around behind her fiancé’s back (and go off with other dudes on your first “date”) what makes you think she won't screw around your back?

Lots of love and kisses Xp

Amethyst

 

[Jukeboxhero]

Originally posted by amethyst
Hey there that is probably the saddest story and at some of the worst advice I have ever heard...

Wait. what exactly is bad advice here? Most of it is the same advice you gave. But if there is something that someone replied with and you consider it bad advice, let me know, I'll be careful when I consider using it.


First of all, what are you doing going out with a girl on a date? You should of just left it as a meeting or hanging out, a date should only be used to reward a girl for sex (and that’s after you got it) also why did you meet up with her in a bar? Bars are pickup hotspots, don’t expect no one to ogle your “date” just because you are there. Also you sound like a princess when you ***** about other people for having better game than you..

First, I need to clear something up. IT was a MEETING of friends of hanging out (just couldn't think of a better word at the time) and it happened to take place at night at about 11:30 pm. I don't know of other places open that late. Also, since was just meeting a friend or whatever, I didn't really CARE where we met. I just thought she sounded like a cool person over the phone and wanted to meet her in Real life. I was half-expecting her to be fat or unattractive but I really didn't care. But if it WERE a real date and probably even the next 'meeting a friend' scenario, I'm probably going to stay away from bars. I learned my lesson on that one.

Can’t you see you were the obstacle and those guys disarmed you, and walked away with her number (besides is it not what you were doing in the eyes of her fiancée?). Further more what are you doing screwing around with engaged women? Well as far as that goes you should have disarmed the "engagement scenario" by using a BF breaker, it wouldn't have been that hard seeing as she gave her number to those guys. Also why were you offering to buy her drinks? You are the prize not her bro.

1. I didn't know she had a BF or fiancee until we met. At that point I wasn't even trying to "game" her because I immediately put her into the friends category.
2. She said it was "up in the air" which means she's probably at some point in the broken up but not sure if she wants to get back with this guy stage.
3. I never bought her a drink, She bought me drinks and payed my cover charge!!


Sorry about being so harsh but here is what you can do, ask her out again (not on a date) just take her out for coffee or something (not a movie, not a restaurant and defiantly not a bar or a club ) find a common ground and start using kino (maybe some "accidental" foot contact) appropriately. The only thing you need to know is that if you act and believe you are the best thing that happened to that girl she will start to believe it herself.

Your not really that harsh, I just wish you would read some more details before posting. A couple posts up I posted a followup report. She actually didn't do ANYTHING with those guys at all and she regrets giving them her number and she told me she wished I had pretended to be her BF for the night.
Now, I'll be honest.. I've never really been out with a girl even as a friend before (unless it was part of a larger group) , so I don't really have a lot of confidence in my game. I knew I should've done something, but I wasn't exactly sure how to handle it, which is why I came here.
Also, IF I had any interest in her as more than a friend I would've PROBABLY tried to do something to ward them off. I'm not sure but I hope I have more game than a guy with a lisp and his friend with B.O.

I do appreciate your advice, though. I don't want to sound too defensive there. just trying to explain the situation better. Next time. I'll select a better place to meet a friend and also try to stand up to guys if they try to move in on her.
I hope I can return here and seek further assistance in the future.

 

[amethyst]

Well Well that’s me told ^^... its cool you figured it out. Well the bad advice I was talking about was the one that seems to have been plagiarized from a book Xp and I am sorry I should of read all the posts before posting, I guess I just got bored half way and just wrote advice only on your first post. Anyway I can't help it if I am an a$$hole when it comes to this, but I call em when I see em and some of the advice given on this topic was dire though there are a couple of very good posts. Also as for the paying thing sorry I think I miss understood that bit soooo, nevermind.

And by the way so what if they have B.O. and a lisp? They still walked away with her number Xp... And in my books that called having game and I didn't mean that they were better than you I just said they disarmed you thus meaning that at that point you were the AFC and they were the players (hence having more game than you at that point)... Anyway I can't say I could of done much better in that situation but I wouldn't of taken her to a bar in the first place Live and learn huh...

Anywho it all a mater of practice keep at it cowboy and you will learn to deal with people in a more efficient way.

Best of luck bro and remember to

Sarge on.... ^^

Love

Amethyst

EDIT: Oooo now that I remember, there was not only some advice that was copied and pasted from a somewhere it was also doing the complete opposite of some briliant advice... Why should you pay for her entrance fee and drinks? Also I don't think it was cool for her to pay for your entrance fee either Xp but never mind ^^. You know if its good advice or not depending on the situation and the advice given, some good advice can be bad in certain situations and vice versa... Anyway I am sure you will do great, just relax and enjoy the ride.

RE-EDIT: Yea man now you have the magic go get em tiger ^^

 

[Jukeboxhero]

Originally posted by amethyst


EDIT: Oooo now that I remember, there was not only some advice that was copied and pasted from a somewhere it was also doing the complete opposite of some briliant advice... Why should you pay for her entrance fee and drinks? Also I don't think it was cool for her to pay for your entrance fee either Xp but never mind ^^. You know if its good advice or not depending on the situation and the advice given, some good advice can be bad in certain situations and vice versa... Anyway I am sure you will do great, just relax and enjoy the ride.

Your right, it wasn't cool for her to pay for my entry fee. I felt very un-masculine about the whole forgetting to bring cash and making a girl have to cover for me, which is the reason I felt I owe her for it.

So IF she ever hangs out with me again, I'm going to at least pay 6-7 bucks toward her "costs" and I'll also be a friend and gentleman and C0ckblock any guys that try to take advantage of her when she is drunk.