One Who Cares Less Always Wins

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There is no such thing as equal love. Some have said that people don’t like relationships, but rather, the drama of them. And anyone who has been in a relationship knows that it’s nothing but drama. Unless you’ve gotten to that point where both of you are so perfect and compatible that you marry each other, every relationship is doomed for not just failure, but a nasty power struggle.

The beginning, middle and end of every relationship is about establishing power. It’s not the butterflies or the “spark” you’re feeling, it’s the anxiety that comes with going to war.

Like a good general, you must prepare for the unexpected along with the possibility of losing. You must enter with a strong attack and an even stronger defense. Like a dutiful soldier, you must be prepared for living as a prisoner of someone else’s war. Because there’s a possibility that you will lose, a 50/50 shot that you will not win that person’s heart the way she has captured yours and forever live as a slave to this person’s whims.

This daunting possibility, this chance that you will lose is what creates that roller coaster you enter upon meeting someone you’re willing to fight against. It’s also what creates all those unnecessary games and tactics we employ. The slow response, the nonchalance, the two-day rule. You strategize and theorize, making plans late at night and during the day when you should be thinking about other things. You become obsessed with your opponent.

Obsessed with the chase, the kill. You've practiced, planned and trained for this. You've fought other battles and are confident going into this one.

However, every battle, like every opponent, is different. You cannot assume that because you had the power in the last relationship, you will attain it in this one. Yet you enter this one hopeful and optimistic, winning battle after battle. Until you lose.

No matter how long you’ve been in a relationship, there are always games.

Rather than fighting face to face, you employ tactics and tricks to try and capture your opponent. You run away from these advances and send subtle clues to your position, yet you never get an honest fight.

These games are supposed to trick your opponent, letting her know you don’t really care about her. Yet, you wouldn’t be fighting if you didn’t.

Unfortunately, after all the games are played and battles fought, sometimes it’s the one who misread the clues and didn’t play correctly who loses. Maybe you were playing two different games. Maybe she was playing Monopoly while you were playing Scrabble.

Maybe she forfeited right before you were about to win. Maybe you didn’t understand the rules and fell behind. Whatever the scenario, one wrong text, one too many phone calls, and one slipped feeling can be the difference between winning and losing.
 

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Onion said:
Unless you’ve gotten to that point where both of you are so perfect and compatible that you marry each other
All true, except the mentality that marriage is a goal or the end game for perfection and compatability. Many on this forum can tell you that marriage is neither a picnic, nor should it be anyone's ultimate goal, necessarily.

The healthiest relationship that I've ever heard described is this: "I'll take care of me for you. You take care of you for me."
 

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Men often enter or remain in sexual relationships because they fear loneliness or the prospect of being alone. Any position taken out of fear is a weak position.

Such men have limited sexual options, can feel suffocated by the relationship
and they may have lost any ability they formerly had to interact with new women. This can lead to resentment.

In most relationships the man cares more simply because he wants regular sex and he was stupid enough to limit himself to one woman. So if that one woman decides to cut him off.. he suffers.

The smart men I know simply cheat when their girlfriends or wives cut them off. And this is the logical thing to do. If she wants you to be loyal, then she needs to reward your loyalty.. not punish it. This means regular sex. Its not that hard to lye on your back.
 

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Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about.

Poon King said:
Men often enter or remain in sexual relationships because they fear loneliness or the prospect of being alone. Any position taken out of fear is a weak position.
Wrong, High value alpha men enter into relationships with a woman of value when they get tired of having sex with random women. When the woman becomes a pain or the alpha becomes bored of her, he leaves her for another woman.


Poon King said:
Such men have limited sexual options, can feel suffocated by the relationship
and they may have lost any ability they formerly had to interact with new women. This can lead to resentment.
No, alpha men have many sexual options to choose from, the woman remains faithful and respectful out of fear of losing her man to a better woman. Women are jealous creatures by nature.

Poon King said:
In most relationships the man cares more simply because he wants regular sex and he was stupid enough to limit himself to one woman. So if that one woman decides to cut him off.. he suffers.
Nope, alpha men can get sex from other women outside the relationship when other women want him sexually. True alpha males have no limitations whatsoever.

Poon King said:
The smart men I know simply cheat when their girlfriends or wives cut them off.
Poon King said:
Men often enter or remain in sexual relationships because they fear loneliness or the prospect of being alone. Any position taken out of fear is a weak position.
That goes against of what you said about men remaining in relationships due to fear or loneliness. Those aren't smart men when they lost their value to their woman. Alpha men never lose their value and don't need to cheat for that reason. Only a betas will do that for getting into that predicament for not having any real value.

Poon King said:
And this is the logical thing to do. If she wants you to be loyal, then she needs to reward your loyalty.. not punish it. This means regular sex.
The logical thing to do is never lose your value to a woman in the first place. Betas remain in relationships trying to get a small taste of pvssy they probably won't ever get. The logical thing to do is start fresh with a new woman re-tooling yourself and re-establishing yourself with higher value.

Poon King said:
Its not that hard to lye on your back.
Not all women will lye on their back for sex. Some will get on their knees, bend over, ride you both ways front & reverse, or have sex standing up. Don't be a KJ talking about things you don't know.
 

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Your best strategy is always be willing to walk. Every battle is won before it's even fought. If you need her more than you have lost. Just because you are married don't believe the battle has ended. Wives will fight over control of finances, how to bring up kids , where to go vacation , what you must buy them for Valentines, birthday, Xmas, Mother's Day etc. If you succumb you will be forever under their thumb , asking permission to go out with the boys where if she goes out , you will have to accept it. Eventually they will cheat since there are no consequences. Ultimately the relationship will end or you will be too old that either of you have no options in which case you will be still at her mercy .
 

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Octogonal said:
Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about.

I think Poon King was referring to the average/typical guy...

BTW! Real life Alpha Males do cheat!
Tiger woods, Bill Clinton... they might not have the best morals.. But they still are Alpha Males.

So please be a bit more realistic ...this Perfect Unicorn Alpha Male that you are describing does not exist.
 

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Starwolf said:
I think Poon King was referring to the average/typical guy...
The average/typical guy doesn't have to be a beta.

Starwolf said:
BTW! Real life Alpha Males do cheat!
Tiger woods, Bill Clinton... they might not have the best morals.. But they still are Alpha Males.
They were married when they were cheating, not in a relationship. How is Tiger Woods alpha? He married a woman he didn't love, she beat him up, he had to pay women off for sex. Not alpha behavior by any means.

Starwolf said:
So please be a bit more realistic ...this Perfect Unicorn Alpha Male that you are describing does not exist.
It doesn't exist for you because you are not an alpha. Any man who is true alpha knows he has other women wanting him at all times and can leave a woman at his own choosing. He doesn't lose value and doesn't have limited options like you guys think.
 

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Starwolf said:
Tiger woods, Bill Clinton... they might not have the best morals.. But they still are Alpha Males.
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Are they?
 

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Octogonal said:
It doesn't exist for you because you are not an alpha. Any man who is true alpha knows he has other women wanting him at all times and can leave a woman at his own choosing. He doesn't lose value and doesn't have limited options like you guys think.
This definition of being Alpha is like some Perfect Male version that you can aspire to become.
and i have no problem with that if this is your personal goal in life.

But in reality society does not give a fvck how solid your Alpha-ness is.
women will flock to status, looks and money! that is what THEY regard as Alpha characteristics.

just wanted to make that difference clear.

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As far as nature is concerned an Alpha male gets to fvck/attract all the females.
Does not matter how u do it, you are the norm and every woman wants to get with you.

In Canada the short dude who won the skii championship is the Alpha
In Australia the tanned skinny crocodile hunter is the Alpha
In NY The Young CEO of a big Company is the Alpha
In Hawaii the Cool Surfer is the Alpha
etc etc..

my point is you don't decide who is Alpha.. Nature/Society Decides that
you are just wasting time with this Alpha ****.
 

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Octogonal said:
Obviously you have no clue what you are talking about.



Wrong, High value alpha men enter into relationships with a woman of value when they get tired of having sex with random women. When the woman becomes a pain or the alpha becomes bored of her, he leaves her for another woman.




No, alpha men have many sexual options to choose from, the woman remains faithful and respectful out of fear of losing her man to a better woman. Women are jealous creatures by nature.



Nope, alpha men can get sex from other women outside the relationship when other women want him sexually. True alpha males have no limitations whatsoever.





That goes against of what you said about men remaining in relationships due to fear or loneliness. Those aren't smart men when they lost their value to their woman. Alpha men never lose their value and don't need to cheat for that reason. Only a betas will do that for getting into that predicament for not having any real value.



The logical thing to do is never lose your value to a woman in the first place. Betas remain in relationships trying to get a small taste of pvssy they probably won't ever get. The logical thing to do is start fresh with a new woman re-tooling yourself and re-establishing yourself with higher value.



Not all women will lye on their back for sex. Some will get on their knees, bend over, ride you both ways front & reverse, or have sex standing up. Don't be a KJ talking about things you don't know.
You're the KJ because you sound delusional. You're probably a virgin too.

I wasn't talking about "alpha" men. I was talking about regular men like you.
 

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Gents problem is, Alpha or not once you feel safe, however, you slowly begin to let the walls down, letting go of that pride that no longer seems important. Your love for her is more important than your self-respect.

You don’t care about your dignity when you’re calling her like 15 times or professing that you can’t live without her.

This loss of pride, however, is like giving away your last chips at the table. Even though you feel secure enough to gamble them away, you most likely end up losing everything and I include Woods or other perceived alpha males in this.
 

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Which is why on this forum or others we've seen time and again original DJs who have played the game to the last piece perfectly end up turning to complete beta chumps after finding themselves fixated with one girl who has her sh!t together. Care less, anytime all the time and as Mikey said be ready to walk away.
 

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Gents problem is, Alpha or not once you feel safe, however, you slowly begin to let the walls down
ain't that the truth. and as soon as those walls come down and they think they have you wrapped around their finger is when their eyes start roaming.

keep them in a constant state of anxiety and they will have their 'butterflies'.
 

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Starwolf said:
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women will flock to status, looks and money! that is what THEY regard as Alpha characteristics.

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there is no such thing as Alpha for starters. women flock to whatever suits their needs at any given moment whether its the bad boy at in their 20s or the beta provider in their 30s.

status may be the manager at Tesco supermarket or it may be the CEO of whatever corporation. it's all relative.

not all women can afford to flock to the hotshots in life nor do they want to. there are other factors to consider. who would make a better father, provider, lover etc etc etc

shallow fvcking loser women with no goal in life might flock to the 'alpha' male just like those slags who go to clubs to pick up footballers but we all know they are not worth anything. who wants them anyway?
 

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Poon King said:
You're the KJ because you sound delusional. You're probably a virgin too.

I wasn't talking about "alpha" men. I was talking about regular men like you.

The biggest virgins like you can't produce a decent counter argument, only one sentence insults with nothing to provide for your lack of knowledge.

I said that regular men shouldn't be betas in relationships. If they know what they are doing they certainly won't. You know nothing about women, that is obvious.


Starwolf said:
This definition of being Alpha is like some Perfect Male version that you can aspire to become.
and i have no problem with that if this is your personal goal in life.

But in reality society does not give a fvck how solid your Alpha-ness is.
women will flock to status, looks and money! that is what THEY regard as Alpha characteristics.

just wanted to make that difference clear.

Edit:
As far as nature is concerned an Alpha male gets to fvck/attract all the females.
Does not matter how u do it, you are the norm and every woman wants to get with you.

In Canada the short dude who won the skii championship is the Alpha
In Australia the tanned skinny crocodile hunter is the Alpha
In NY The Young CEO of a big Company is the Alpha
In Hawaii the Cool Surfer is the Alpha
etc etc..

my point is you don't decide who is Alpha.. Nature/Society Decides that
you are just wasting time with this Alpha ****.

Not true. Women flock to ugly famous people because they have money and are famous. They are not alpha because they have money and are famous. If they were average men with no fame or money they would have no women. The alpha will obtain women regardless, women crave that type of man.

Your view of a true alpha is very distorted. Achieving personal accomplishments does not make you an alpha. The way you carry yourself, your actions, your behavior, your demeanor, your attitude, your body language is what makes you an alpha. Elvis was considered an alpha on stage. He was a beta in his personal life, which is what matters more than his persona on stage that people knew him as. He was a drug addict who was terrible in relationships, people used him for money and he suffered from depression. Not an alpha man by any means.
 

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Octogonal said:
The biggest virgins like you can't produce a decent counter argument, only one sentence insults with nothing to provide for your lack of knowledge.

I said that regular men shouldn't be betas in relationships. If they know what they are doing they certainly won't. You know nothing about women, that is obvious.
The only thing that's "obvious" is you're a 12 year old. There is nothing to "counter argue" because I wasn't talking about "alphas" in the first place.

And you are no alpha.. so I'm talking about losers like you. I can teach you a lot if you remove your head from your ass.
 

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I have to agree with this concept, too much emotional investment is what tends to lead to that 'creepy vibe', it turns women off. I think (yes this is my opinion) that we would do well to observe the guys who get the girls, doing so will show the personality types, and the behaviours that get the girls we want.

The player tends to be someone who is the centre of attention, someone who cares little about what others thinks, and tends to have a near narcissistic level of self-belief. What this type of personality puts across is power, status and protective ability these are the things a women wants in a guy she breeds with, and truly, all women have an innate desire to have children, this is what gets a girl into bed, natural desire to breed. Even if its a one night stand, she's following nature. You don't have to be muscly, or the president, but you do have to have 'alphaness' - Not caring about what she thinks, not worrying about whether or not she likes you, or whether she's going to text, or call, or arrive on that date..this is alphaness, and its what she wants. She wants to pursue, not have you begging her to sleep with you (or having that vibe).
 
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