One quarter of South African men are rapists!

[MatureDJ]

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1906000,00.html?iid=tsmodule

I'm not sure of the significance of this, but if you think about it, rape is the ultimate bad boy, hump and dump behavior.

 

[Luthor Rex]

It gets worse:

The spread of AIDS (acquired immuno-deficiency syndrome) is an alarming problem in South Africa with up to 31% of pregnant women found to be HIV infected in 2005 and the infection rate among adults estimated at 20%

 

[speakeasy]

It's depressing. There are women getting raped and infected with HIV everyday in S. Africa. They will die and leave their kids as orphans just because some dude thought he had the right to sex no matter what. It's sickening.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

I saw on the news the worse case of rape was a 2 DAY old infant who was raped...

How in the hell could a 2 day old infant get raped?

Maybe I don't wanna know.

 

[DJDamage]

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1906000,00.html?iid=tsmodule

I'm not sure of the significance of this, but if you think about it, rape is the ultimate bad boy, hump and dump behavior.

Ultimate bad boy? I wouldn't call it that.

What kind of a bad boy are we talking about here? Women tend to voluntary spread their legs for bad boys.

 

[jophil28]

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1906000,00.html?iid=tsmodule

I'm not sure of the significance of this, but if you think about it, rape is the ultimate bad boy, hump and dump behavior.

How so? More like meatheaded, under-evolved chump behavior in the extreme. It is an example of 'lower self ' behavior ...no skill involved, no seduction, no regards for the impact on the woman and NO morality.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

I was born in South Africa and have lived a great deal of my life there. People have no idea how rough the place can be. Its going the same way every African country goes I am afraid.

Its important though to make the distinction between who actually commits these acts, because I can promise you its not all South Africans. South Africa is a melting pot of European, Asian and African descents. It is a colony as much as Canada, Australia or India was. When you say a quarter of men are rapists, it is true. Its just not true for all races.

The rapes you read of are predominantly perpetuated by African men. Im sure a lot of you would consider that racist ignorant tripe, but it is a fact. Its a cultural thing and its backed by statistical evidence. There has been an exodus of people from South Africa because of violent crime and rape is one of the major reasons for it.

They dont just rob women, they rape them too. If they break into a home, they break in when the family is there and they are normally armed to the teeth. There was a baby that was gang raped by 6 men. That was a few years ago already. They force men to watch their wives being gang raped before they shoot them. They even force the children to watch it at times. They are hate crimes. If the girls are older then 11 or 12, they will probably be raped too.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=ct20011109210054996P430316

In the townships, which are like the Brazilian Favellas, you get what they call "jackrolling" gangs. Jack rolling gangs are basically rape gangs. 5-10 men roaming the streets looking for victims who they gang rape. Child abuse is rampant too.

Just to put it into perspective, almost 16% of African men in Johannesburg have participated in a gang rape. So yes, statistically, 1 in 4 black men have admitted to raping a woman. 1 in 8 would have been involved in a gang rape. Whats even more alarming is that they think only 1 in 7 women actually report rape. Most of it goes unreported.

http://www.iss.co.za/pubs/CrimeQ/No.12/Vetten.pdf

That is a government sponsored study. Before you call me a racist, or assume Im some neo nazi freak, read that study. Im glad people are taking notice of what happens there. Im just upset that everyone is being painted with the same brush when its predominantly specific cultures and demographics that commit those acts.

Ballie is a fellow South African. He can confirm what I say.

 

[horaholic]

Damn, that is some gnarly shyt. I read a couple of those articles. I've always heard that South Africa has some of the worst crime in the world. Is it because of the gap between upper and lower class?

 

[speakeasy]

I wouldn't say that simply talking about it is racist. But saying they are doing it BECAUSE they are black might be a different story. I know white people who have visited various African countries and have felt safe and not had incidents with the black people in those countries. A buddy of mine went to Kenya with his girlfriend for a month and said he had an amazing time and nobody hurt them or anything. I think perhaps the behavior among the blacks of S. Africa may have something to do with their Zulu ancestry and culture which historically was pretty brutal.

 

[Hooligan Harry]

Damn, that is some gnarly shyt. I read a couple of those articles. I've always heard that South Africa has some of the worst crime in the world. Is it because of the gap between upper and lower class?

Thats only the start of it. Racial segregation set by law only further drove a wedge between people so there is a lot of anger. There is a lot of poverty there and more than half the country lives below the breadline. So you have 15% of the population living western style middle class lives while the rest live in squalor. The countries leaders are outright socialists too, a large portion having been educated in Russia before the Berlin wall fell. So the situation has been getting worse for the poor.

Its not black on white/asian crime alone. Its black on black too. They are the majority in South Africa and they suffer the worst of it. Those jack rolling gangs operate in the townships.

Sub Saharan African culture is in itself violent though. You only need to look at South Africa, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Angola and the Congo for examples of it. Its not that there is violence, its the brutality of it. Its violence on the individual. Its hard to explain, I guess you need to see it or live with it to understand it.

Rwanda's genocide, as an example, was not army on civilian, it was civilian on civilian. Fewer people died in Rwanda than during the Holocaust, but the nature of the Rwandan genocide to this day makes my skin crawl. Its brutality makes the concentration camps under the nazis look tame. Neighbours were killing each other. Im talking about people who probably grew up together worked the same fields. It was like a light switch went off.

So South Africa has some major problems. Huge poverty, racial hatred bred into people over 200 years and the vast majority of the population being from a culture that is inherently violent.

Its the rape capital of the world. Its second in the murder stats. Its second in the armed robbery stats. You could look at our cities and swear you were in a first world country, only to drive 5km's outside it and be in the middle of townships where people live in shantys and sleep on the floor.

 

[piranha45]

its probably only top in rape and 2nd in murder stats, because noone collects stats in the other african countries, for obvious reasons.

 

[Aenigma]

I remember reading that one of the myths going around in sub-saharan africa is that having sex with a virgin will cure HIV and that this is part of the reason that African men are raping girls who are 12 and younger.

I thank God that I wasn't born, and don't live, on that continent.

 

[speakeasy]

I think it's stupid to generalize about an entire continent based on what happens in some of the countries. People keep talking about Africa like it's one big country rather than a nation with very diverse people, religions and ethnic groups. It's like generalizing about China and Thailand by what happens in India just because they are on the Asian continent.

Not all African countries are dangerous. Mali, Niger, Mauritania, Kenya, Eritrea, Namibia, and Ethiopia for example, have pretty low murder rates, lower than the United States in fact. Now sure there are many African countries that do have high murder rates, but my point is, you can't make blanket generalizations about an entire continent with thousands of ethnic groups, languages, different religions and act like they are all the same. You could have a very violent country right next door to one where murder rarely happens. Just like the murder rate in Russia is one of the highest in the world, yet it shares a border with Finland which is quite safe.

 

[Luthor Rex]

I saw on the news the worse case of rape was a 2 DAY old infant who was raped...

How in the hell could a 2 day old infant get raped?

Maybe I don't wanna know.

I've read that they do this because they believe that having sex with a virgin will cure you of AIDS.

Here is more information about baby rape in South Africa.

no skill involved, no seduction, no regards for the impact on the woman and NO morality.

Hold on, how did we get to the topic of American Women?

 

[SXS]

Hold on, how did we get to the topic of American Women?

Ham ha, that was funny!

 

[Luthor Rex]

I was born in South Africa and have lived a great deal of my life there. People have no idea how rough the place can be. Its going the same way every African country goes I am afraid.

Are there any good ideas on why Africa is such a sh!thole? The human race has lived there the longest, so we've had the longest opportunity to work out our problems.

Actually come to think of it, typically the "older" parts of the world are the worse parts. It seems like the longer humans have lived in one place the worse that place is. We went from Africa to the Middle East and that place is a sh!thole too.

In the townships, which are like the Brazilian Favellas, you get what they call "jackrolling" gangs. Jack rolling gangs are basically rape gangs. 5-10 men roaming the streets looking for victims who they gang rape. Child abuse is rampant too.

How is firearm ownership there? Can the homeowner defend themselves with guns? Have private citizens formed militias to defend their neighborhoods? Sure a family of 3 or 4 may not be able to stop a gang of 5 or 10, but if you know you're going to die anyhow may as well take some of them with you.

The rapes you read of are predominantly perpetuated by African men. Im sure a lot of you would consider that racist ignorant tripe, but it is a fact. Its a cultural thing and its backed by statistical evidence. There has been an exodus of people from South Africa because of violent crime and rape is one of the major reasons for it.

I'm sure the racists in South Africa are eating it all up: "see we told you so" etc.

From the survey data:

Fourteen of the 162 gang rape cases (9%) went to court. Only one resulted in a conviction, with the others being either withdrawn by the court or resulting in acquittals. A further 10 cases were either withdrawn by the police or by the victim. No perpetrators were ever arrested in the remainder of the cases.

What's up with the South African "Justice" System that the numbers are this bad?

 

[Warrior74]

Are there any good ideas on why Africa is such a sh!thole? The human race has lived there the longest, so we've had the longest opportunity to work out our problems.

Actually come to think of it, typically the "older" parts of the world are the worse parts. It seems like the longer humans have lived in one place the worse that place is. We went from Africa to the Middle East and that place is a sh!thole too.

While I generally think your a twot, I will say you raise a good question. I think the adventurous and sometimes smarter people tend to move on to try something new. The way the most ambitious people from all over the world made the jump to the new world to look for opportunity. In the oldest places I'm sure change comes slowly or not at all, and I'm sure resentments, anger, grudges, prejudices and lower education gets reinforced over generations. There is not much to shake things up there.

 

[Jules Verne]

Am I the only one thinking that some women from Europe, Asia, or other continents will get raped next year at World Cup despite increased security?

I have a feeling that bad **** will happen regardless of its degree.

 

[speakeasy]

While I generally think your a twot, I will say you raise a good question. I think the adventurous and sometimes smarter people tend to move on to try something new. The way the most ambitious people from all over the world made the jump to the new world to look for opportunity. In the oldest places I'm sure change comes slowly or not at all, and I'm sure resentments, anger, grudges, prejudices and lower education gets reinforced over generations. There is not much to shake things up there.

It's due to culture. Some cultures are progressive, as in they are constantly looking for ways to build a better widget. Some cultures are traditional, in that they look down on doing things in a new way and believe they should do things exactly as their ancestors hundreds of years did. I was watching this national geographic documentary on this tribe in Africa that gets all this body scaring which are considered a right of passage for boys to become men. It was a very, very bloody and painful ordeal where the tribe elder had to cut these patterns into the boy's bodies with blades while they lay there in agony.

When the scars healed, these kids were absolutely stoked. They were proud of the fact that they are doing exactly what their ancestors did for thousands of years and not changing their tradition. Why build skyscapers when your ancestors lived in mud huts. If it was good enough for them, it's good enough for us. Why leave the plains of Africa and be a hunter/gatherer if that's what our ancestors did. These are cultures of ancestor worship. Even if you introduce new technology to them, they are not interested. That's why you still have tribes in the Amazon of Brazil living like the world hasn't changed in thousands of years. Or with some of the aboriginees deep in the interior of Australia.

Remember though, advanced civilization didn't come from Europe, it came from the near east. Most of Europeans lived as tribes people and had no math or written language or technolgoy until the Romans invaded to the north and "civilized" them. The Romans got their culture from the older Greeks, who in turn got it from the near east, who in turn got it form the Babylonians and Egyptians. I think the civilization spread north because there was no barrier to expansion, whereas south you had the jungle as a barrier.

We think of Scandinavians as a very peaceful people with low crime rates, generous social welfare, and environmental-conscious, but back in the old days as Vikings, they were very barbaric and violent people. If we were having this discussion 2,000 years ago, we'd be sitting here wondering why these blond haired blue eyed people are so barberous. Things can change with new cultural influences.

 

[speakeasy]

Am I the only one thinking that some women from Europe, Asia, or other continents will get raped next year at World Cup despite increased security?

I have a feeling that bad **** will happen regardless of its degree.

Nah, most this stuff effects women that live in those townships and places where the criminals live. Tourists visiting the country are not likely to in those places unless they choose to go wandering in. I went to Rio de Janeiro a few months ago. I was warned about how violent and dangerous it is. And yes, there is a lot of danger, but most of it happens in the favelas and as a tourist, there's absolutely no need or reason for you to be walking around a favela.