On moral angst and full disclosures

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i am single never married male in my mid/late 30s without debts, and with a high paying job (well into six figures). my job is very busy, by choice as i have extra-curricular activities that improve my status within my job but i do not necessarily get paid for (committee services, research etc).

i am relatively fit and been told i am good looking (I am 5.8, 190 lbs, bench two plates, overhead press a plate for 7, squat and deadlift and although i am not shredded, i look ok in clothes). i do not drive a fancy car but do not drive a beater. Career influence wise, I am known and have a national reputation and international connections. My field is specialized so its not something the layman will be aware of (i am not in the media, politics, or entertainment businesses).

i have struggled with relationships. I am not really interested in anything longterm given my focus on career prongs (which i find meaningful on many level with impact on many people's lives). Call it a screwed up adolescence, but i never ever had any case of oneitis and completely blackpilled in terms of marriage and LTRs. however, i do consider myself a passionate lover from a sexual standpoint. i also have a very bad case of "moral angst" as i like to make it clear to the woman that i am not interested in an LTR and merely interested in the intimate relations before this happens. I have been struggling with this recently and would like to know if there are any topics specifically dedicated to addressing "full disclosure" before intimacy initiation. For example, I recently met a divorced mom (with 2 kids) that i am not planning on having an LTR. I made that clear but her interest was not changed. I had the opportunity to have full relations with her after she invited me to her house, but i opted to not do it (I am paranoid and wanted more corroborative flirtatious texting from her in my cell phone after the heavy petting and foreplay we had, before i proceed to full relations- cant be too careful these days). Now, i have ample texting from her about how she enjoyed that evening etc and invited me back to her place this weekend.

1) what are your thoughts about the "full disclosure" issue i struggle with, and how can i better present it in a politically correct way without discouraging the other party?
2) the rule of not dating divorced single mothers, to my understanding, applies to LTR, but are there any issues with a plate/fwb status even if the fwb status is not loudly acknowledged (the situation above where i clearly indicated my opposition to marriage in all its forms, and my opposition to kids etc- i clearly did not state that i am only looking for an fwb, as it was the 2nd date only (i was invited to her place after this 2nd date)

I appreciate the insight from the moderators and members, and hope this will be conducive to some interesting discussions.

Markalem.
 

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Im with @stringpuller on this one. You might be overthinking things.

Just be like, "Im not looking for anything specific but Im open to any possibility as long as its the right person". Also, I would stay away from single moms but thats just me.
 

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Sounds like you need a therapist.
 

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Therapist for the paranoia? the moral angst? my poor squat form?
 

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Sounds like you need a therapist.
I'd like to explore what aspects of my thinking requires therapy. you may be correct. is it the paranoia? i'd like to have a discussion regarding these issues which handicap my approach.
 

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as an update; after inviting me to dinner at her house, and during foreplay after dinner (watching a movie) she mentioned that "there will be no sex tonight". i realized i have been beta buxed or considered as an LTR project. i therefore immediately changed the angle, finished the movie, and then left. she double and triple texted mentioning that after she said no sex there was decreased affection and that she wants an all encompassing inclusive relationship. i replied that i do not particiapte in transactioanl dichotomous bargaining and will hard next her. my opportunity was in the first time we got intimate as she was open to sex, but i am very paranoid and didnt want "next morning guilt" and false allegations etc.
 

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OP, you are overthinking this.

She wasn't hot enough so you weren't sure what to do.

Go after hotter women and you won't have this dilemma.
 

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DreamAgain, thanks for your reply. She was very hot but i am very very paranoid about #metoo, false rape, etc. this was just the second date in span of 2 days, and that night it got steamy in her place. but i held back due to lack of a condom and due to my paranoia (i read about horror stories) etc.
 

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as an update; after inviting me to dinner at her house, and during foreplay after dinner (watching a movie) she mentioned that "there will be no sex tonight". i realized i have been beta buxed or considered as an LTR project. i therefore immediately changed the angle, finished the movie, and then left. she double and triple texted mentioning that after she said no sex there was decreased affection and that she wants an all encompassing inclusive relationship. i replied that i do not particiapte in transactioanl dichotomous bargaining and will hard next her. my opportunity was in the first time we got intimate as she was open to sex, but i am very paranoid and didnt want "next morning guilt" and false allegations etc.
It was a test. Im glad you had the balls to walk away and next.
 

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It was a test. Im glad you had the balls to walk away and next.
she texted me that a friend of hers brought this up the day before we got together and that she is more guarded than other women unfortunately .
i did not reply to her text message. i have a feeling she will triple and quadruple text (that was a double text).
I feel she will be a headache and have lots of neediness, and i think it may be best to walk away even if she offers sex. i dont think the headache is worth it. do you agree?
 
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as an update; after inviting me to dinner at her house, and during foreplay after dinner (watching a movie) she mentioned that "there will be no sex tonight". i realized i have been beta buxed or considered as an LTR project.
Common wisdom often suggests that this situation is a green flag, it means she's already thinking about sex and you just have to ignore her words and push forwards.

DreamAgain, thanks for your reply. She was very hot but i am very very paranoid about #metoo, false rape, etc. this was just the second date in span of 2 days, and that night it got steamy in her place. but i held back due to lack of a condom and due to my paranoia (i read about horror stories) etc.
See that's where the therapy comes in, you shouldn't be in fear of something you've read about on the internet or seen on TV unless you see it happen all the time in real life.

It's the same as being constantly afraid you're going to get robbed or murdered everyday.


I feel she ill be a headache and have lots of neediness, and i think it may be best to walk away even if she offers sex. i dont think the headache is worth it. do you agree?
This sounds like the perfect instance where you should be open and up front and honest with her that you're not interested in anything serious or long term for the foreseeable future.

If she sticks around you can have sex without guilt or fear, if she doesn't then you weren't compatible and can breathe easy.
 

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Common wisdom often suggests that this situation is a green flag, it means she's already thinking about sex and you just have to ignore her words and push forwards.



See that's where the therapy comes in, you shouldn't be in fear of something you've read about on the internet or seen on TV unless you see it happen all the time in real life.

It's the same as being constantly afraid you're going to get robbed or murdered everyday.




This sounds like the perfect instance where you should be open and up front and honest with her that you're not interested in anything serious or long term for the foreseeable future.

If she sticks around you can have sex without guilt or fear, if she doesn't then you weren't compatible and can breathe easy.
I am grateful for your input.
I may have to develop a separate thread for the issue of false allegations, #metoo etc. And maybe you are right, i am paranoid, but one psychopathic/vindictive woman can turn one's life upside down from what i have read.

i agree with you, in fact, i sent her a text saying that i had clarified that i am not looking for anything committal. i indicated that our visions may not be aligned. lets see what she replies.
 

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Common wisdom often suggests that this situation is a green flag, it means she's already thinking about sex and you just have to ignore her words and push forwards.



See that's where the therapy comes in, you shouldn't be in fear of something you've read about on the internet or seen on TV unless you see it happen all the time in real life.

It's the same as being constantly afraid you're going to get robbed or murdered everyday.




This sounds like the perfect instance where you should be open and up front and honest with her that you're not interested in anything serious or long term for the foreseeable future.

If she sticks around you can have sex without guilt or fear, if she doesn't then you weren't compatible and can breathe easy.
Update
after double texts asking if I'm not committing to something longterm because I don't like her and after staying firm that this is because of my beliefs,she texted that all guys say this. I didn't respond.
After a week, she texted that she thought more about it and would like us to still see each others! I think she is down with the program now. Any comments or advice? Should I proceed or be wary of future headache? Advice appreciated
 
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