On American Women and Their Feminism

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I think the forum member who started the debate over the issue of feminism in America did a great job. As a man originally from a foreign country who has been living in the United States now for almost 11 years, I wanted to share my perspective on this. Based on my personal experiences and observations, I strongly believe that feminism has gotten too much into the heads of many American women, and with rather unfortunate results. Let no one get me wrong. I don't advocate violent and abusive behavior toward women or discrimination against them, and I certainly believe in equal rights between the sexes. However, I think many American women have a double standard in the sense that they often reject the so-called nice guys for not having an edge, not being masculine enough, etc., yet at the same time don't hesitate to play the feminist card with men who seem to feel very comfortable embracing their masculinity at very high levels.


Here in the United States, I think women have too much disproportionate power within the initial stages of dating and relationships and there needs to be some kind of balance. I mean...the amount of humiliation, heartbreaking experiences and superficial rejection that a man often goes through in the dating game is unbelievable. Women have a right to stand you up, hurt your feelings, exploit you and lie to you over and over, but because you're a man, you need to simply move on and keep your mouth shut. Expressing your emotions would, in their opinion, imply that you're too sensitive, a wuss, and effeminate. If you're naturally a soft-spoken person, it is regarded as a weakness and the woman may feel that you can't stand up for her or yourself; on the other hand, if you're very outspoken, she may fear that you're the verbally abusive type and won't hesitate to call the cops and get you arrested if need be.


Another unfortunate consequence of American women and their feminism in my opinion, is that many of them tend to be very cut-throat and unwilling to work things out (compromise) with their partners when there are misunderstandings within relationships. Instead, being fully aware of how much power they have, they emulate celebrities who keep switching partners just like they change their clothes. The spoiled mentality of "I'm a woman, I have many options..." stupidly blinds them.

While I'm not suggesting that all American women act this way, I must say, based on my personal experiences that of all Western women I have come across, none in my opinion have been as superficial and shallow and less willing to accept people for who they are than American women. Recently, this has been manifesting itself in my life in a different way. Prior to lifting weights at the gym regularly like I do these days, I could barely get most of the women I felt attracted to, to notice me. I used to jog three days a week and was very slender, athletic build. I remember overhearing a black American woman tell her boyfriend in their car as I jogged by one day-"That dude is so skinny." These days, all of a sudden, with barely any effort at all, it seems extremely hard for me not to get the kinds of women (I can spot them out in a second) who normally never gave me the time of day, to notice me. Even when I wear leather jackets, they seem to notice my muscular definition. The one thing that I feel good about in all of this is that not only has my confidence skyrocketed (and possibly my testosterone level too) since I began lifting weights, but I can say with assertiveness that there is absolutely no woman out there who can disrespect me verbally or abuse that feminism stuff with me. I walk around and I seem to come across to many of them as a semi-giant, and now all of a sudden, they look at me as if they want to mate with me. It's a shame, but I guess that's the way it is.


So to other guys on the forum, who like me, are still walking toward the path of self-improvement, I would strongly encourage you to hit the gym. Lift weights and do it consistently. It is extremely hard work, it will hurt you, and the results won't be produced overnight. However, trust me, they will pay off. Embrace your masculinity. Your masculinity will be highlighted naturally from lifting weights, anyway. And instead of attempting to get noticed by these women, they will be the ones noticing you.
 

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Oh it's not just American women - the tentacles of feminism a far-reaching around the globe.

I concur completely though. It is a shame most seem unable to see men as having more to offer than simply being an accessory in their wardrobe.

It seems to 'allow' yourself to fall in love with a man these days by women is frowned upon and Miss Independant is celebrated in all her lonelyness and misery.

The Muscly Jerk
 

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Frank2500 said:
of all Western women I have come across, none in my opinion have been as superficial and shallow and less willing to accept people for who they are than American women.
You are not alone:

American Women Suck

Eternal Bachelor

Now, join the MRAs to fight back against toxic feminism!!!! :rockon: :trouble:
 
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Feminism equals the hor-ification of America and the world!!!
 

Create self-fulfilling prophecies. Always assume the positive. Assume she likes you. Assume she wants to talk to you. Assume she wants to go out with you. When you think positive, positive things happen.

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Last Man Standing said:
Gloria Steinem: How the CIA Used Feminism to Destabilize Society ...

http://www.savethemales.ca/180302.html
B I N G O !!! :wave:

In short, by destroying the American family...they could divide and conquer us into solitary individuals...who then become dependent upon a global government to survive (NW0).

Feminists are just getting used as "unwitting" tools in this whole process...

WHO'S YER DADDY NOW, BYCHES????!!!! :(
 
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Folks, thanks a lot for your respective comments. I wish more women got a chance to read posts like these so that they could get to read about behavior many men consider to be very unattractive in them. One thing in particular that pisses me off with some women is when you patiently hold doors for them and they can't even say the faintest thanks. They shrug their shoulders, frown or are just straight-faced and act as if you actually owe it to them. Whenever I come across a woman who acts in such a condescending manner when I hold one of two doors for her, I purposefully refuse to hold the second door when I get to it. I could care less if it slams her in the face. Of course, some of them think that by holding the door for them, you might be using that as a step toward making an advance, even if that is very far from your mind. It's amazing how rude some of these women are. I have no tolerance for such behavior at all.
 

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"Waking up from the American Dream..."
 

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Sorry but I have to say I think some of you guys are going too far

Some of the above post express the same kind of radicalism as some feminists who take that movement to ridiculous extremes.

I liked that site about how satanic bankers with UFO's rule the world.

Honestly, I completely agree that the undermining of the family unit has inceased the influence state power and market influences have over individuals (although this movement began with agricultural revolution where the majority of people in Western Societies were forced off their land destroying the "community" which was an even more powerful and natural social construct).

I completely agree that radical feminism has underminded the social norms of how males and female relate to each other. The most insidious form this takes is the way sections of the feminist movement have argued the natural attraction men feel for women is somehow disrespectful to women.

But cmon guys!

Most of the girls I hang with would consider themselves feminists and they are awesome beautiful people who are considerate friends and dedicated lovers. They just want to have the same opportunities in public life as males and for their partners to help at home. Not that big an ask.

Humankind is in the midst of an incredible leap forward in evolution. The beliefs, customs and religions of the past are no longer relevant and need to evolve to keep pace with the other advancements our species is making.

This is evloution boys. Survival of the fittest. Just as the men who could not light a fire or communicate well could not win a mate thousands of years ago and copped the evolutionary cut so too shall the men who cannot adapt to the constantly changing world now.

If you make the effort to adapt you might find that modern women are fantastic.

Finally, I'd like to say that this "community", in rediscovering how to relate to women in ways that are satisfying to both genders, is playing a huge role in recorrecting the imbalance which has occurred due to our radical advancements.

Wow, how philosophical was that?

I'm sure you will all flame me now. Have fun...
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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There was a time and place for feminism. It's over now. It's gone too far. But guess who has accepted it? The men of this country who are portrayed as hopeless AFC's in TV and movies.

The feminization has far reaching consequences, including all the people too scared to fight in wars and accept their responsibilities in this world.

Which is why our next president may in fact be a militant feminist or a overly feminized man, unless men are willing to stand up to it and reverse their own feminization.
 

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Ricky said:
The feminization has far reaching consequences, including all the people too scared to fight in wars and accept their responsibilities in this world.

Which is why our next president may in fact be a militant feminist or a overly feminized man, unless men are willing to stand up to it and reverse their own feminization.
I dislike the idea of President Hillary as much as the next guy, but give me a break. This planet needs FEWER bullshyt wars, not more. The feminist movement has nothing to do with the common sense among people against the money toilet that is the war I imagine you're alluding to.
 

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Frank2500 said:
Whenever I come across a woman who acts in such a condescending manner when I hold one of two doors for her, I purposefully refuse to hold the second door when I get to it. I could care less if it slams her in the face.
Hah, you feminised wimp! I go even further. Whenever I go through a door, I wait for an old lady, pretend to open the door, then slam it into her face!

You haven't lived until you hear the cracking of 80-year-old bones, and the tortured screams of an elderly person!
 

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Frank2500 said:
I mean...the amount of humiliation, heartbreaking experiences and superficial rejection that a man often goes through in the dating game is unbelievable. Women have a right to stand you up, hurt your feelings, exploit you and lie to you over and over, but because you're a man, you need to simply move on and keep your mouth shut. Expressing your emotions would, in their opinion, imply that you're too sensitive, a wuss, and effeminate.
Hey but we have the right to fvck, leave, disrespect, generally walkover and have our way with women, only if your man enough. And the bonus is, they'll love you for it, again, if your manly enough. :cheer: :D



Frank2500 said:
yet at the same time don't hesitate to play the feminist card with men who seem to feel very comfortable embracing their masculinity at very high levels.
So embrace your masculinity card! LOL it's not only socially acceptable, it's practically expected that when your very masculine you treat women like **** and do what you want. Not saying you need to go out and break innocent girls hearts and sh*t, lol, that is just evil.

The advantage with men is that masculinity is built in, it's natural and therefore absolutely acceptable in society and, women will love you the more masculine you are. Feminism is a load of politically correct pipe dreams, brought around out of hate of being weaker than men, and, most men hate feminism because it's really just a excuse to make acting like a man socially acceptable.
 

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musclyjerk said:
It is a shame most seem unable to see men as having more to offer than simply being an accessory in their wardrobe.
Look around, Most males don't.
 

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The Tactics.

There IS a solution, and it is...

Not tolerating what you would consider "feminist behavior."

Be true to YOU, and the type of partner you would be.

Let her behavior have NO, zilch, NADA, ZERO effect on you. It's the ZERO Tolerance Bullshyt test. Some guys try it on a moderate scale, but when they're afraid of "loss," they cave, and women know they'll cave. To take the power back, to REFRAME, you have to do it on YOUR terms.

Women are smart. They've probably read books on influence because most of them will say...

"My guy friends..."
"My X..."
"My sister's bf/husband/fiance/baby's daddy..."
"My dad..."

And the only thing you can say is...you are your own man. She doesn't like what you mean, screw it, move on. What was the Goodfella's line? Oh yeah...

"You went bankrupt? Fvck you pay me."
"You don't have the money? So what. Fvck you pay me."

IMO, her wants are disguised as COMPROMISE, and all compromise is, GIVING and TAKING, back and forth. Yet, my view on compromise is alternating between chick flicks and horror movies, not judging between spending on vehicles, homes, or other things. If you have 1 financial dream, and she has other, compromise only lends itself to mediocrity. Read Ayn Rand's Fountainhead on that 1. Roark abhorred compromise and committees for the fact that, in Rand's view, it mixes up the elements, and lends itself to less than great. And she was right.

For a man to be anything other than he is is to ask an animal to be a different animal. As men we might think different, or change eating habits, but if you were truly born to be special, and only change because it fixes this ONE component of your life, namely your relationship with a woman, is it really worth the fix? Will the fix justify and solidify the rest of your life? No. Not normally. Unless the fix needed is alcoholism.

We need to focus 100% on the good change, and ignore without fail the bad change. When the acceptance of LESS THAN begins, so does a degridation values occur. If she see's you break, she'll niggle at that spot forever. And don't kid yourself, 50% of the time women start fights just to have them. To stir emotion, like that permanent X pill embedded in their body. The fights, to women, aren't always pain. Just like drinking bad booze might not taste good, the effect is still the same, you get drunk. Fights will degrade a relationship, but she still gets something out of it by pushing you around and seeing what you'll do. She's not dropped that act and probably won't, ever.

Is there a vast conspiracy?

Let me say this...I believe we're all too naive to know one way or the other. I do believe MORE evidence points to the POSSIBILITY of its occurrence, but I don't have solid evidence to say A leads to B, or X=Y. Got me? I've read Makow for years. I like him. He markets and angles his writing well. And he can make sense. Obviously we can paint any picture we like, because all of life is the individuals easil, so I have a hard time buying anything until I judge it, but I do think there's MORE truth to it than anything. The tactics used in the news ARE perfect examples of mind control, persuasion, double think, and influence. Not only do they use attractive people to deliver the news, a far cry from average society, but they waffle between meaningless, dramatic events, and happy ones, all the while your emotions flounder. And then, to tie you back in, they end with a happy story, and tell you to stay tuned. It's all triggers learned in NLP, and given the fact there are experts creating this, it's levels above anything we could help to grasp. Keep in mind...The massive public media IS NOT using "Guerrilla Marketing" tactics, or anything found at Amazon.com. They use professionals, beyond comprehension, given the billions of dollars at stake. Degreed workers are mere peons in said corporations who keep the status quo, and only infuse the machine with better foder.

But, as learned by the Secret...and Mother Theresa, and Ask and It Is Given. You don't focus on fighting the battle...BUT FOSTERING THE POSITIVE EMOTION, and that is...BEING YOU and BEING THE MASCULINE YOU. FOCUS solely on the good you desire to continue bringing. Waging war against an invisible giant will only harder the opposite and negative emotion, not getting anyone ANY closer. As evidenced by this post, it's bitterness and negativity. Instead of being better role models and PROVIDING women with a GOOD alternative to say "fvck feminism," men turn to being player-dycks, hurting countless women, whether they did it or not to them. In turn, these hurt women feel JUSTIFIED that they are doing right, and because they've been boned, literally and figuratively, they will take a man for WHATEVER he will provide and drop him when he can't or won't. It's evidenced by WHY guys come here. Instead of seeing what POSITIVE and BETTER person they can be, they want a tactic in return, a weapon, to prolong the cycle. If it's a war, peace is the only solution. Killing more people will foster resentment and create more terrorists. No resolution comes, because the other side now feels justified for their acts.

You want it stop?

Start with you.
Start with being the change you desire of the world. BE IT. LIVE IT. ACT IT. No matter what people say, do, or give. Be you without needing confirmation of its success or failure.



A-Unit
 

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A-Unit said:
What was the Goodfella's line? Oh yeah...

"You went bankrupt? Fvck you pay me."
"You don't have the money? So what. Fvck you pay me."

A-Unit said:
The tactics used in the news ARE perfect examples of mind control, persuasion, double think, and influence. Not only do they use attractive people to deliver the news, a far cry from average society, but they waffle between meaningless, dramatic events, and happy ones, all the while your emotions flounder. And then, to tie you back in, they end with a happy story, and tell you to stay tuned. It's all triggers learned in NLP, and given the fact there are experts creating this, it's levels above anything we could help to grasp. Keep in mind...The massive public media IS NOT using "Guerrilla Marketing" tactics, or anything found at Amazon.com. They use professionals, beyond comprehension, given the billions of dollars at stake. Degreed workers are mere peons in said corporations who keep the status quo, and only infuse the machine with better foder.
I've never seen obvious propaganda in the news in my life time, and/or proper propaganda.

it's levels above anything we could help to grasp.
WTF? You serious? What the hell do you base any of these assumptions on?
I know your just ranting, but like where there is smoke there is fire, you must have some base for saying this.
I look with your eyes not your imagination man.
lol thats some off key sh*t.
 

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A-Unit speaks the truth. feminism is rampant. its everywhere.

The media are masters of manipulation


There are entire groups of people who want nothing more than for you to roll-over belly-up and and surrender everything that makes you a man
 

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wayword said:
In short: empowering women = more taxes, more bastard criminals & more broken families. Basically, a downward death spiral for any society.
No offense, but that's the most extreme, stupid thing I've ever heard. Its akin to saying jews are the reason for all social ills.

Besides, women's right to vote were just one of the many liberal reforms necessary to keep society stable. If you want an example of a reactionary (ultra-conservative) society, look at Russia during the 1900s. No feminism, no racial equality, no welfare. And no progress.

Now if you say feminism is going too far, I can accept that. But to say women shouldn't have gotten the vote, is a little extreme.
 

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THE_ADDMAN said:
The media are masters of manipulation

Yeah ok. And the government are controlling the populations minds with ray guns, and secretly working with aliens to build a time machine. As soon as you believe in this conspiracy crap, your imagination goes into overdrive and you'll believe anything.


A-Unit speaks the truth. feminism is rampant. its everywhere.

There are entire groups of people who want nothing more than for you to roll-over belly-up and and surrender everything that makes you a man
Aren't you just being obvious?


Influence is manipulation, a cute little pup with those wide eyes.. manipulation. Girls in short dresses.. Manipulation. Blah blah the list goes on. If you can't see past it, your pretty much destined to be used by that force. That you notice people want to manipulate you is good, but now comes the part here you just see though it and ignore it.
Talking about it gives it justice, sorta like arguing with an idiot.
 
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