A lot of them move here as adults so they spent their early/middle years out of the sun, and have genetics that bode well for aging. You will find a surprising number of youthful-looking older women here with unexpectedly good skin due to this.
I remember regularly going to a sports bar down the street from ASU stadium, and there was this cougar that would always talk to me - she had skin like a leather jacket.
You will find lizards here as well. There's a wide variance in skin tone that you wouldn't expect with the environment here. A lot of sun-worshippers who are born or move here, and on the other extreme the aformentioned Upper-Midwest element as well.I remember regularly going to a sports bar down the street from ASU stadium, and there was this cougar that would always talk to me - she had skin like a leather jacket.
There are a lot of people who move to Arizona from the Chicago area. Ex-Chicago people are nearly as prevalent as the Californians around Arizona.
There are more single males than single females in Metro Phoenix. The male competition was fierce in Phoenix. I was doing more of my hunting at the time at the Old Town Scottsdale bars. There was definitely a culture of lifting weights and looking as muscular as possible while driving certain car brands in order to impress shallow, materialistic women. That might have been more of a thing for 20 somethings in the Old Town scene.
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There's a lot of obesity in Texas but there are also a lot of fit women in Texas. I'm most familiar with Dallas in Texas. I also think Dallas is likely the best Texas comparison to Phoenix.
It would be difficult to avoid the sun in the Valley of the Sun. There's also a culture around a lot of outdoor activities, especially from late October (when it cools off) until early April. Hiking is so common, and it's a date activity and also can be used as an opportunity for approahing and pickup.
Tucson has a rep for being scenic (compared to Phx at least) and for being poor, trashy, and somewhat leftist. I've compared OLD prospects between Phoenix/Scottsdale and Tucson and there is a noticeable dropoff in quality in Tucson.
I never got the hype either since people keep hyping it up. TBH, I never got the hype behind Arizona and its women, they seem like the trailer trash cousins of California girls.
The trailer trash is typically multi-generational Arizonans and the state is transplant-heavy. There's a strong small town/midwestern-roots element like you find in Manhattan and the women have to present themselves better than in California due to a weaker market for them here (stronger female competition, weaker male competition). Lots of Scandinavian genetics as well, at least in the Valley.
I actually heard all of AZ was a sausagefest in general though. Just going back to my own examples and experiences though, it did seem like most Arizona women I have met were as vain as they came, very sassy, and a quite a lot like Karens too. Never got the hype around them, they all seemed to have a very off personality.
The thing that seems to be unique here is that there are bangable women everywhere you go, not just in the upscale and nightlife areas. Now there is a good deal of status chasing due to the people tending to be cookie cutter, very vanilla white people (think NPC's if you're familiar with that term), but that tends to be heavily concentrated in certain areas (basically the eastern `1/3 of the Valley). ASU has a well-established reputation as a party/get laid school and the girls in Tempe are going to be knowing that as well and behaving accordingly. So if you're dealing with females from Scottsdale or ASU, it might give you a skewed impression of the Valley in general.
I'll take your word for it and for all I know, I can go to the state and live there to find that it is different. I've even thought about a Bucket List item where if I have enough money, before I turn 40 I go to every major college town, stay for a month throughout a period of years, and see how I do with game there in general (online and nightgame). This assuming I am looksmaxxed by that time.
I added this late to my prior post, but it bears repeating: lots of illegal mexican dudes here, and the census hasn't asked about citizenship in 70 years. So the "sausagefest" to a large degree isn't a very competitive one.
I don't know man, I guess I am just different. I find it easier to hook up with women from cool places that have exciting stuff going on as opposed to boring places. From what I noticed, women from boring places tend to be more judgmental and stick to the high school mindset of popularity contests well into adulthood which leads to them being that boring prude at the bar.
I get you on the last sentence, like I feel that a lot of women from boring places tend to be major teases but never go through with being picked up. It is like they should be the most DTF but they end up not being the most DTF for some weird reason. It does vary from place to place though. I have loved South Carolina and Tennessee girls a lot. However, something else is there about AZ girls. My take is that they are so used to social circle games and then they have that snottiness with California being nearby so they tend to be weary of just any dude gaming them during the night.
The Tucson metro area has ~1 million residents. For a city of its size, Tucson is rather underwhelming for both employment and as a mating marketplace. Tucson is not an easy place for a man to get his penis wet. There are 3 scenarios where a man can have success in Tucson. All 3 scenarios have drawbacks.
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Phoenix might be considered boring because of one sentence I wrote in the first post.....
Social circles are not that strong in Phoenix because there are a lot of transplants from other areas. I'd say swipe apps are big there because swipe apps tend to be big in areas without much in the way of social circles. There's a decent stranger approaching culture too with guys at the gyms trying to get laid with women at the gyms. There are big bar scenes in Tempe and Scottsdale. Some solid nightlife option exist in Phoenix. You can daygame at parks and on hiking paths if the weather is right, though more men tend to use the hiking paths as date options than for pickup. It's common to see a shirtless dude on Piestewa peak with his girlfriend in shorts and a sports bra.
This post would help to explain that...
