NOT Today Batman - Not Ever

[Jester]

I dont believe what you say. I choose to decide for myself.


I see the failures in your design....i see its deceptive evil. Jaded i am NOT. The world is so clear for me now. The fog has lifted from my once shrouded eyes.

The relationships of this world are so sad, so misleading. Peoples fear of being alone driving them to this asinine agreement of monogamy.
But its impossible men. There is no monogamy. That is a myth of society. A creation of our ****ed up psychologies steming from a fear of lonelyness and psychological need to be loved.

Unfortunately, there is no switch that turns off our sexuality. No matter how commited you are, no matter how commited your girl is. Whatever that even means. When she sees the built up surfer walking down the boardwalk, she wont be looking at you. When you see that ****ing hot ass chick on the beach with d boobs and ****able ass, you wont be looking at your girlfriend. If a hot blonde were to bend over, take off her pants and shirt, and say **** me....If you had been dating a girl for a year and "loved" her...how hard would it be for you to resist that temptation? Some couldnt resist it, some wouldnt care and just **** her, some wouldnt do it out of fear, very few wouldnt do it for religious purposes, and very few wouldnt do it because of their girlfriend. Do you think thats different for her? Ripped sexy guy seducing her with speed seduction? Do you think it would be any different? It would probably be easier for you to say no versus your girlfriend with a guy who knew how to take control.

And that....is just it my friends. Theres no arguing around that. Jealousy exists because it isnt wrong. Jealousy once served a purpose in our lives to keep our mates, to fight off competition. To keep the sex for ourselves and so ensure our ability to reproduce.

There is no romantic love, youre just a ****ing infatuation addict. Phenalynaline is your drug of chouce.

I struck on this chord a long time ago but had no idea about the whole picture. Its completely false, marriage, relationships, its all bullsh1t.

Now for those of you currently in relationships, you'l deny it to the end, though the thoughts will creep inside your head. Those single will most likely believe me, unless you are already getting your phenalynaline high off some girl youre infatuated with but have barely spoken to.

Now im not saying this is warrant to go and **** other guys girlfriends. Thats spreading unhappiness, and thats wrong. But atleast dont let yourself fall into this trap again. Free your mind, free yourself from these beliefs.

I know its hard, lonelyness is an admirable opponent. But defeated the Dj will not be. Get friends, get hobbies, dont get a girlfriend. Fu-ck that sh1t. It's all BS. Love is REAL, but that takes a lot of time and more than that, it takes PROOF. I know i would do anything for my friends and they for me. Not just because i say it, but because i have been in a situation and it has been proved.

You Know NO ONE until you see a test of their character. Give a person power and you will see their character by what they do with that power.

It is not too late for us, we are still in highschool/college. Those older guys in the discussion forum may not have many options to defy lonelyness. It is the bane of all human kind. But we still can follow our dreams. Don't let yourself be tied down by a girl, never, EVER, it is FALSE and it will cause you only unhappiness and regret in the end. Be FREE from the chains of infatuation, follow your dreams! Be the musician, race car driver, astronaut, fire fighter, cop, marine, professional paint ball player, whatever!

Just don't believe the lies....

 

[Sniper1088]

Whoa that post was something else.

 

[Alexis Zorba]

Whoa dude

Whoa dude calm down. The stuff you are saying is really controversial. It is really late so I will not answer your post completely. However I must tell you that I disagree with many of the things that you state in your post.

I just have a few questions for you before I can reply to every part of your post. Did your girlfriend cheat on you? Did you cheat on your girlfriend? How did you get to such a conclusion?

Anyways I am really looking forward to a great discussion with you.


Alexis Zorba

 

[Jester]

Re: Whoa dude

Originally posted by Alexis Zorba
Whoa dude calm down. The stuff you are saying is really controversial. It is really late so I will not answer your post completely. However I must tell you that I disagree with many of the things that you state in your post.

I just have a few questions for you before I can reply to every part of your post. Did your girlfriend cheat on you? Did you cheat on your girlfriend? How did you get to such a conclusion?

Anyways I am really looking forward to a great discussion with you.


Alexis Zorba

Girlfriend of 1 1/2 years turned out to be a psychopath. Don't know if she cheated on me, probably did, but ive had these ideas for a long time. Only now have i fully realised all answers.

The dude on the boardwalk was me, these kids from school that i know were walking down towards the skate park and the one guy's girlfriend oggled me right in front of him. I did not enjoy it. Its not right man. But even when i was commited in my relationship, it was hard for me even to resist looking! I did resist but it was hard and i couldnt turn off wanting to, even if i could choose not to look.


These things i believe are universal. There really isnt anything in my post to disagree with, but post what youve got.

 

[LikRetsam]

Well, interresting to say the least. One part made me shiver:

You Know NO ONE until you see a test of their character. Give a person power and you will see their character by what they do with that power.

For so long... I questioned who knew me? Who do I KNOW? And here... the answer is so simple....

It is ofcourse natural to look at other beings but it is also possible to resist this urge. Now... Cheating, lies, deceit,pain... They could possibly be in your relationship, but it's not always like that. Out of all the happily married or simply coupled people, somewhere there must be some good right?

A quality girl makes for an excelent girlfriend. Period.
A slutty girl will make for a ****ty girlfriend. Period.
All depends on what you take.

 

[Smooth as Anything]

It's becoming easier and easier for me to determine who is single and who is not, on this board.

Jester, interesting theory: but I disagree with it completely.

You may be correct; I can't prove you wrong. It's futile, though.

I've said it before: We are all blind animals running around in circles. Don't take our circle away from us, Jester, that would not be very nice.

My parents have been together for 25 years. Are they my example for my future? No.

Find love, lose love, find it again. It may be fake, you may be lying to yourself -- but we are the self-deceived animal Jester. We don't even know if we exist. I may just be the equivilient of an alien, tripping on this hardcore drug -- and this is all a hallucination.

We are all escapists to some degree. My friend's drug may be LSD, my other friends may be reading, and mine may be exercising. We all look for an escape from how boring **** is.

Find me someone who comes home and everyday and says "Anything interesting happen in the news today?" and you've found me someone with no life of their own.

Don't be that person.

 

[The Antichrist_Star]

Hmm... *grabs a pen*

 

[California Love]

So you're saying we just want to fuck like bunnies. Thats true for now until you reach that point in your life when you want to further your experience.

"Love is an irresistable desire to be irresistably desired."
-Robert Frost

 

[LikRetsam]

Smooth has a long reply to a thread? hmm...

I see your point Smooth but I completly disagree with your 2nd to last paragraph:

We are all escapists to some degree. My friend's drug may be LSD, my other friends may be reading, and mine may be exercising. We all look for an escape from how boring **** is.

I can't ever live by that. **** is not boring. To quote the Lion King: There's more to do, than can ever be done. More to see than can ever be seen. Luckily you said to some degree, because maybe to some degree I come to this board to forget about the real world. Maybe I come to my computer and play video games as an escape from the real world. But that is still the real world.
Should you argue that video games are not the real world, I will argue that the real world, that of the Human, is not the real world.

Although I find your view rather pessimistic, I can't help but see the truth in what you say. Though it is reality, it is a sad fate for us to suffer it.

Jester, your post is a complete generalization for which bears many exceptions. Not all relationships are fake. Not all are filled with hate, lies and so forth. For take 2 virtuous people and you will have yourself an exception to your depressing view.

Lik

EDIT: Why doesn't the word f*ck get censored for the above poster?

 

[BringUrGreenHat]

in the subconscious what you say is right... but, consciously we probably dont like to perceive ourselves as animals just looking for a bang every second, and want some form of actual "love" at some point in our lives. Subconsciously though through the id and ego, what u say probably exists. Depends who can control urges of the ego with their superego. its all will powa

 

[The Antichrist_Star]

Ironically Jester... I remember having similar views (and still do) and us speaking on my views... and you opposing them. What a difference a day makes right? Anyway... I digress. Since both Jester and Smooth are favorite posters of mine... I will dissect both of their arguments. Doesn't it hurt? Isn't reality a bitch? Jester was all roses and and sunshine when he was with his girlfriend last year... and now he realizes that realitionships are merely a fallacy... I am glad someone is finally waking up. It is time to face the music ladies and gentlemen... relationships, marriage, the concept of love... all fallacies that are perpetuated by our society. In fact... I was reading a book ("How to Make Anyone Fall in Love With You" interesting read) that essentially states that the feeling of "love" is based from a chemical called "phenalynaline" (the same one Jester mentioned). The interesting part about this is that the "feeling" of love wanes after around two, to three years. Now... not believing this, I decided to look into this theory. Interestingly enough... one of my acquaintances alone knows of four couples that ended their relationship... after three years.

But of course such coindenences do not mean anything... I just found it interesting. The point I am getting at is that in those concepts, our mind struggles with cognitive dissonance (of sorts). We humans have a need for that security... we have a need for that love, that relationship (which increases as we age). However... us humans (especially humans... American humans) have that same need with our "bigger, better deal" mentality. We change cars every couple of years... change phones, computers... why not women? Certaintly, the person you are with can make you happy... but whose to say that bombshell on the beach cannot either? Quite the conundrum is it not?

Not quite... and this is where I jump onto Smooth's point. The reason why we choose the security over the bigger, better deal mentality is because we enjoy the circle... humans love to remain in Plato's Cave. Remember Cypher from the Matrix: he knew it was not real... he knew what he was getting back into was a false reality. But as he aptly put it... "Ignorance is bliss." We would rather remain blind because the truth scares us. We know love, relationships and marriage are fallacies... shapes projected onto a cave wall that we are forced to look at... but we do not care. When someone escapes the cave, and reveals the truth... we stone him, because we do not want to know.

Society does not want to end up like me who escaped from the cave. Ignorance really is bliss gentlemen... because although knowledge is power... it is also painful. I have destroyed many of my relationships, because I know that they do nothing but pass time. I cannot see myself getting married, because I see no point in it... I am out of the societal loop when it comes to love, and relationships and although it is not that bad now... when all of my friends are married and have kids... I will remain.

But it is the path I choose... but not a path I recommend for my peers. Stay in Plato's cave gentlemen... and enjoy.

Everybody does it... its just that nobody talks about it.

 

[Smooth as Anything]

Originally posted by LikRetsam
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Might I compliment myself on writing such an excellent post "LikRetSam"...or should I say... "Smooth as Anything"...

Don't sail near the coast man, go all the way out. If you're going to suggest that perception dictates reality, and that our perception of 'reality' is a fallacy -- then the natural understanding of 'real' is false -- and if I am to listen and agree to your statement...

Well, then, I'd compliment you on your post -- but I know that it was just me who thought it up anyway.

 

[Smooth as Anything]

Originally posted by The Matrix: Reloaded
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I hate to insult your post by replacing it with 'snip' -- but I feel required to do it for economical benefit.

I like the Plato's Cave references It's from "The Republic" for anyone who isn't aware...

Our argument is a rather sophomoric one (arguably). We could write it off as such, or debate it for the mere reason of everyone else writing it off.

Love? True love? Infatuation? Science?

I can correlate the argument "Love vs Infatuation" to "Science vs Religion".

Causality or a grand design...

Random or fate...

Let's pretend there was a man... A very religious man: let him be of whatever religion you like. He is incredibly devout, and very satisfied and happy with his life. He knows he is well, richeous and good. He is pleased.

One night the man was resting, sound asleep in his bed, when he was awakened by the rattle of a snake...

The snake made him an offer...

"Learn the existance of your diety or live forever in ignorance."

The religious man was very certain of his diety's existance. He told the snake he would like to know.

The snake informed the man that his god did not exist... and that his entire life was a lie. The man had existed in devotion to a story thought-up by a drunken sailor in the middle ages. Needless, to say: the man was crushed.

Soon, the man became suicidal. With no reason to live any longer, he saw no reason to move on.

He brought a knife to his throat, and wiped the last tear from his eye.

He slowly lowered the knife... he could hear the slither of the snake again....

Again, the snake give him two options:

"I can erase your memory, and you will live forever again in happiness and devotion to your diety... or I will let you die in peace."

What would you do in his situation?

 

[The Antichrist_Star]

Do what I have already done... continue my journey out of the cave and never to return. For if I returned... I would be killed (much like Neo). I have already placed that proverbial knife to my throat... I have already died. I understood where the path of ignorance went, and I have declined it. I have denied my happiness, my bliss... my devoution. And have replaced it with a dream that may never reach fruition. For some reason... such a sad existence seems much more fruitful to one... than living in that cave.

I guess I die in peace...

 

[Brazilian_Blues_Boy]

Humm yummy...

Since we're all talking about Plato here, why not mention " The Symposium" , which is kind of this same argument except for it happened thousands of years before?

And in this meanwhile, 2500 years, did anyone get to a conclusive answer?

Talking about the intrincacies of love, isn't it too much of a problem to get yourself into?

It envolves ego distortion, physiological responses, the law, the religious aspect (this one especially, the Catholic church was the one to condemn poligamy, and thus forcing everyone to be monogamous.)

But, Poligamy per se isn't the solution to the problem. In the times of Plato, poligamy was acceptable, and still it didn't lead anyone to the end of their problems. In arabic cultures poligamy occurs, yet it's accepted by both society and religion... wives aren't jealous one of the other... but, nevertheless, their religion plays a major role in their lives, so we couldn't use them as a totally unbiased example of a successfull solution.

What is the snake but the ego?
The little devil on our left shoulder, whispering into our ears....

How can we venture into the realms of the metaphysical, the undefinable abstract if still we're stuck into our egos.

Only when we develop a higher level of consciousness, then perhaps we may become unpartial enough to venture with competence into the realms of the abstract...

We could go on and on, yet we'll always be attached to what our EGOS believe it's right, based on our experiences...

And, as much as we start not to believe in love anymore, who can assure you?? That's the scariest thing of love...

How can you know that one beautiful day a girl will appear and make you long for the ideal, real world of Plato?

How tight is our grip on our feelings?

BBB

 

[MetalFortress]

Jester, honestly, what is this post, but a mere reaction to a bad situation. This post reminds me of when women get played by a boyfriend, then go on to say, "all guys suck". Chances are, next thing you know they will be in a relationship again sometime soon, and instead of saying "all guys suck" they will be all starry eyed and bushy tailed. As a man, you should keep this entirely logical, not just knee jerk like this thread. Realize that many relationships are destined to fail, and some are destined to succeed. Of course, the failures are extremely more common, but not all relationships are a farce OR destined to fail. That is a big lie.

 

[LuvMyArmyMan]

You have to understand that everyone is different. Not everyone will cheat. If you are in love with that person, and i mean truly in love, no other person will be deemed as attractive as them. Just take a breather, and calm down. its normal to have these feelings, so take a break, and dont think that all girls are slut.s. Theyre not. You'll find a nice girl.

 

[LikRetsam]

Well, then, I'd compliment you on your post -- but I know that it was just me who thought it up anyway.

Did you? or was just laid before you and all you had to do was read between the lines. The 3 steps you talk about are the same 3 steps I superficially illustrate.

Matrix, you bring up an interresting point. You said he brought this view upon himself because his LTR didn't work out. So is this just a passing phase with a temporary opinion or a genuine new base for future reflexion?

Smooth, would the man really die in peace? Could he, although knowing the painful truth that just completly erased his purpose, accept to go back? Could you? Yes the truth hurts. Yes somewhere you want the peacefullness you once had, the naivety and you wish to go back to it. But could you accept to live in darkness again? No. The point isn't about which of the 2 paths to choose but rather the new view on life you now have. The man has now seen both sides of the story.

Matrix prefers to stay out of the cave having seen the light, as do I. I seek reality. I can not associate myself at this time with my peers at school fully because I can not live their lie. I can't accept to be blinded because that is not how I am happy, groping in the dark. I lived in darkness for years and today, I'm am not looking straight at the light but rather seeing more and more of it. The light may not be the place for most people, but it is more accomodating to me than the cave. Matrix, You did not decline happiness, you declined the circumstance that made everyone else happy. Your happiness is the path you ride along now.

Smooth, I do not wish to be the blind animal humans are today. I do not wish to live in conformity with everyone else. Ah got it: I do not wish to be controlled.

Back to the whole question of "love":

You have to understand that everyone is different. Not everyone will cheat. If you are in love with that person, and i mean truly in love, no other person will be deemed as attractive as them.

There will always be a more attractive girl/guy but that all depends on who you ask. I do not need to be in love with my girlfriend to not look at other females. I need to have a certain level of respect for her and that is all it will take to give me necessary reason to not look at other chicks sexually. That is ofcourse if that respect is met by the g/f too.

Metal said it right. Completly right. Some will rise to greatness and others may fall. And maybe you will never achieve your great empire. But what does it matter? All about how you look at it. In the end game, yes, it failed and that just sucks. But think during the game? I look back on relationships in DJhood and AFCness and it doesn't matter how it ended or why but how much fun I had during the relationship. Your fun will end one day and one day you you will find a new means to have fun. That is why this site preaches that women should not be your priority in life because a relationship depends on both people and unless you both have the same intentions, it's going to fail. Rather than banish all relationship related ideas and marriage ideas from your head, realise that the journey has brought you so much more than the prize. Life will one day end. Yet we live life. So if you had your view before your parents conceived you and you were given a choice about life, knowing there would be an end to it, would you take it?
Do not fear the day your relationship will end but know that one day it will so just relax and enjoy your time in it.

Lik

 

[Jester]

Originally posted by LuvMyArmyMan
You have to understand that everyone is different. Not everyone will cheat. If you are in love with that person, and i mean truly in love, no other person will be deemed as attractive these feelings, so take a break, and dont think that all girls are slut.s. Theyre not. You'll find a nice girl.

I'm sorry, but girls are more dependant on this illusion than guys. Your whole system of life is based on being paired up and married. I understand why you choose to ignore every logical piece of information in my post and instead tryed to cut me down by telling me its "normal to have these feelings". I am sorry tho that i had to present you with these doubts, reality sometimes is hard to gripe with. Again i apologize because im going to use you to help prove more of my arguement.

"Not all girls are sluts"

I disagree. I dont believe you are an exception to this either. Im not saying its a bad thing really, atleast not on the surface. Dont think im being mean with these next questions, im not. You're 17 or 18....how many times have you been ****ed? How many times have you had anal sex, oral sex, etc. I realise you are you current boyfriend arent having sex right now and are "waiting", but how many times have you had such a need for sex you wish he would **** you?(not saying these are bad things, just saying)

How many times have you watched "that" guy take off his shirt and oggle at his rippling abs and rockhard pecs and arms? Did you want him to **** you? If he approached you, lightly carressed your hair, looked deeply into your eyes, like he could see right into your soul, and bent down and kissed you, would you stop him?

Im sorry.

Originally posted by MetalFortress
Jester, honestly, what is this post, but a mere reaction to a bad situation. This post reminds me of when women get played by a boyfriend, then go on to say, "all guys suck". Chances are, next thing you know they will be in a relationship again sometime soon, and instead of saying "all guys suck" they will be all starry eyed and bushy tailed. As a man, you should keep this entirely logical, not just knee jerk like this thread. Realize that many relationships are destined to fail, and some are destined to succeed. Of course, the failures are extremely more common, but not all relationships are a farce OR destined to fail. That is a big as them. Just take a breather, and calm down. its normal to have lie.

You might wanna take another guess at whos the one thats lying.


"Realize that many relationships are destined to fail, and some are destined to succeed"

You tell me to be logical, but thats the most unlogical thing ive heard all day.

All girls dont suck, i never said anything like that bro(actually some girls wont suck, but alittle ss will fix that, haha) I like a lot of girls man, some of them are fun. What im saying is, relationships are false. And you combatted my completely logical and non-kneejerk presentation that had facts and field experiences with saying its "fate" if it works out or not. Like pook might say, youre in the womb bro(i never read plato but i imagine that cave thing is the same as the womb). Read my post again, this time with opened eyes. I dont like to steal the matrix's bit, but maybe youre mind isnt ready to be free, or maybe its too late.

Do what you wish tho.


Lilreksam, i understand you are now in a very commited relationship. And i also understand you must defend it because it is what you believe in. I respect that. I do request tho that in one years time you speak to me again about this, and if nothing has changed, talk to me when you two go to college.

I must state my character reasoning once more, but this time in mind of relationships.

If your relationship has not been tested, you dont truely know anything about it, you can only guess. Seperation would be a test of that. Seperation with opportunity a much better test. The true character of your girlfriend would come out if that were to be the case. Dont let yourself believe ANYTHING without proof, it might just bite you in the ass. Good luck tho man. Keep in mind this tho, be righteous, if it fails, it was never true.



You guys seem to be missing some stuff i was trying to communicate tho. So ill just say it lol.

Just relationships arent really true, doesnt mean you cant be happy. Isn't that what the greats of this forum have been preaching against for years? Happiness is not depandent on women. Aparrently, most of you still have the belief that it is. I am truely one happy mother****er. Some people have called me "excessively happy". I don't derive my happiness from my relationships. I would be one miserable muther****er right if i did, but i dont, so im not. How many of you are that miserable mother****er right now because you are doing that? I would say with the exception of a select few, most.


Im not bsing you guys, and im hardly anywhere near depressed. Im still the happiest person ive ever met and i believe all of this to be absolutely true.

Perhaps now, the light that you guys have been talking about will look better to some people.


You dont have to be dark if you stand in the light. Glow like a christmas tree baby.

 

[The Antichrist_Star]

Jester never said everyone will cheat... he is merely stating that given the correct conditions (depending on the person of course) that all humans are adept to cheating... and that is the truth. That is not to say that everyone has and will do it... merely to say that if the conditions were right... it may occur. And as much as I hate to say it (I do not like bursting other people's bubbles) all women are sluts... hell... all men are sluts. Of course in our minds however... it is completely okay... as long as we are slutty for one person at a time (I believe they call that "justification" in psychology).

Believe me LikRetsam... his view is quite permanent... because Jester is starting to walk out of the cave. There have been times previous (we have talked various times before) when we was probably angry and frustrated about his delusional situation... and now he feels good about it. A couple of you are merely writing this off as a "phase"... this guy is a man, not an agnst ridden teenager. It is not merely a "phase" that Jester is going through... it is looking at the world within the eyes of a new perspective. It is merely a phase to a couple of you, because anytime someone does not buy into the program... society automatically assumes it is a phase.

LikRetsam... do yourself a favor and discontinue to delude yourself about your relationship. You do not decide against those things out of respect for your girlfriend... you do it because your girlfriend has given no reason for you not to. I am not trying to kill the buzz that is your relationship... in fact... I hope you are enjoying it on many levels. At the same time however, you need to realize why you do things versus why you do not. Moreover, place yourself on the other side (the bad times) of your relationship... and then report back to us about the things that you would do versus what you would not. Again... this is not an attempt to condemn you or your relationship... but just keep in mind that Jester said a lot of those same things just one year ago.

MetalFortress... bringing fate into the equation are we? The thing is... in order to consider the failure or success of a relationship... you would have to consider what measure you would use in order to decide out of the two. Is ending the relationship... means the relationship failed... alas this is not always the case. Does staying together (but completely unhappy) mean that the relationship is a success... alas this is not always the case. It is called "settling down" for a reason MetalFortress, and that reason is because relationships contain the level of happiness that could possibly be achieved... you are "settling" for a certain level of happiness... not to say that such a thing is a bad thing.

Moreover... if relationships are not a fallacy.... then what are they? What truth holds up in a relationship? Someone may say, "I really care about this person... and no one else can make me feel that way." Are we certain? Have we given everyone the chance to make us feel that way? Certainly not... because in a relationship, you have mechanism in place to close yourself up, before you get close to anyone else... why... because everyone is adept to cheating... given the right conditions. Because of this... out of "respect" for your partner... you do your humanly best to make sure that you never create those conditions. Rabbit hole is getting interesting now is it not?

But let me stop right there... I could continue but I will stop right there. You guys need to stay in the cave... it is a lot safer and a lot more certain. Enjoy...

Everybody does it... its just that nobody talks about it.