Non-Weight mass gaining?

[Lil Magic]

Do you guys know any way to put on mass and muscle while losing fat without using weights at all? Any routine at all?

 

[AlexTheGreat]

go run? do pushups? do chinups?

there's a lot of exercices you can do with your own body weight. Look up "thug workout" on youtube, it'll give you some inspiration.

 

[eminence]

you can't put on mass and lose fat...it doesn't work that way. sounds to me like your lazy and looking for an easy way out.

You have either 2 choices....get cut up and lose muscle, or gain some mass and gain muscle along with it. And without weights...? did you seriously just ask that?

 

[mintxx]

the absolute minimum you need is a bench, a 60kg sandbag and an overhead bar.

 

[AlexTheGreat]

the absolute minimum you need is a bench, a 60kg sandbag and an overhead bar.

no, the absolute minimum is imagination and desire. If you want something bad enough you'll do what you must to get to it, even if your tools aren't that fantastic.

 

[Kerpal]

You can gain muscle without using weights, just look at gymnasts.

 

[Master Bates]

You can gain muscle without using weights, just look at gymnasts.

Gymnasts don't train with weights at all?

 

[Kerpal]

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=512003

 

[Master Bates]

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=512003

Well, I think that's pretty useless as far as the OP wants, since I get the impression he just wants to do pushups and pullups in his house or something. If you've got access to gymanstics rings, you probably have access to weights too.

 

[Warboss Alex]

the short answer is no.

eminence, you can definitely lose fat and gain muscle at the same time (thus maintaining your weight)

 

[eminence]

the short answer is no.

eminence, you can definitely lose fat and gain muscle at the same time (thus maintaining your weight)

yeah but the process is a lot slower correct? would it not be better for him to focus on one at a time?

 

[Warboss Alex]

yeah but the process is a lot slower correct? would it not be better for him to focus on one at a time?

Yes, it is a slow process, but if you are patient then it works very well.

of course if you're 150lbs with no muscle, don't do this to try to get 'big and ripped' at the same time.. likewise if you're 30% bodyfat then again, a fat loss-oriented diet is for you.

but you should never gain fat just because you want to gain weight, nor should you lose muscle because you want to lose weight.. always aim to keep/gain strength when dieting and keep the same bodyfat when trying to grow.

 

[mintxx]

no, the absolute minimum is imagination and desire. If you want something bad enough you'll do what you must to get to it, even if your tools aren't that fantastic.

yeah but you do have to have tools don't you? when I say bench, sandbag and overhead bar, I mean a park bench or any raised surface, a tree limb or any high grippable overhang, and any object with an axis of symmetry that you can pick up. Fewer tools than that and no - imagination and desire won't do it without tools.
but for the love of God LM, get to a gym and learn to love it...

 

[AlexTheGreat]

yeah but you do have to have tools don't you? when I say bench, sandbag and overhead bar, I mean a park bench or any raised surface, a tree limb or any high grippable overhang, and any object with an axis of symmetry that you can pick up. Fewer tools than that and no - imagination and desire won't do it without tools.
but for the love of God LM, get to a gym and learn to love it...

That's exactly the type of tools I was talking about: the ones that you make yourself

 

[fireguy]

Do you guys know any way to put on mass and muscle while losing fat without using weights at all? Any routine at all?

Basicly, the reason your muscles will grow is because it has two choises. Either the muscle tear under the weight, or adapt and grow stronger/bigger. That is the reason why you wont get big on bodyweight only type of programs. Too light weight. Works maby a month?

Bodyweight can be used for training, but soon enough (very soon), your bodyweight is too light for proggressing in strenght - and thus size.

That is why a powerlifter-powerbuilder-bodybuilder squatting 400 lbs for reps will have tree trunks while the bodyweight guy will have ... what ... maby endurance? Toothpicks at best. Nice ass though ...

Same with chest and arms. Benching 400 lbs will do more for your musclemass that reps of pushups.

By the way, the reason I use the squat as an example is because the bar is high up on your back, and you use like 75% of all the muscles in the body pluss release alot of musclebuilding hormones.

Also by the way - most newbies train the mirror muscles (muscles you see in the mirror). The Ironic thing is that it's the muscles on the backside of your body that will make you big. If you get a big back and train legs for a big squat, the front side will automaticly follow since you use big movments that include alot of muscles.

Typically Chins, deadlifts, squats, barbell rows, benchpress, and millitary press and their variations will make you big. If you analyze what main muscles those exersizes train, most of them train the back side and legs. And they are the exersizes you want to get good at for getting big and strong. I think I read somewhere that pecks will grow about an inch of thickness pr. 20 lbs of musclemass. And training huge musclegroups like back and legs will make you gain muscle all over on your whole frame.

The principal of "progressive overload". Key to get big. Lift more every week, and your muscles will get stronger and therefor bigger. Doesn't matter if you lift five reps of twelve reps. Lift more weight every week. Either increasing weight on the bar or add an extra set. The total tonnage is what counts. There are so many ways to train, and there is no #1 best trainingprogram. When your body adapts to a program, you have to change your program anyways to keep increasing musclemass. An eating program is alot more important. A calorie is not a calorie, so spend some time learning about nutrition.

See - this is the basics of getting bigger muscles wether it be a 275 lbs bodybuilder or a small toothpick. And it wont happen over night either (musclemass). The day you think you are too big is the day you shift your trainig focus from max musclemass to max performance (like pure powerlifting.) Eat less, and you wont get bigger. People gain weight when they eat. Difference is that a non-trainig guy will get fat while bodybuilders-powerlifters-powerbuilders will get bigger muscles.

There is a fact that will never change. People who lift weights will get bigger FASTER than any sports athlete. The only reason newbies will want to train bodyweight is because it is intimidating at first stepping into a gym, and you feel everyone acually gives a crap that your small. Like they don't see "small or fat people" 98% of the time when theyre not in the gym. Seacond reason is that it's harder than not training weights and eating six meals a day takes some dicipline.

On bodyweight training - If you want to spend three hours hanging from the rings, training like a gymnast every day for ten years, thats up to you. Basicly gymnast have a big back cauce they train in the rings. And since you cant isolate the muscles on big movments like chins and pullups, they indirectly train shoulder, biceps, abs and forearms ++.

Or you can spend the nezt 2-5 years to reach an addonese greek body (like wabross alex )

 

[Warboss Alex]

Or you can spend the nezt 2-5 years to reach an addonese greek body (like wabross alex )

*hides the donuts and poses accordingly*

 

[Riegs]

This isn't true at all, it's possible to gain mass and lose fat at the same time. You need to give yourself a surplus of about 300-500 calories on the days you train. On the days you don't train, put yourself at about 300 below your basal metabolic rate and throw in some HIIT cardio.

You'll gain muscle mass a bit slower, but you'll lose fat. Also make sure your diet is very clean. Google "nutritional timing"

you can't put on mass and lose fat...it doesn't work that way. sounds to me like your lazy and looking for an easy way out.

You have either 2 choices....get cut up and lose muscle, or gain some mass and gain muscle along with it. And without weights...? did you seriously just ask that?

 

[fireguy]

I'm shure it's possible to do this in some way. However, it's not neccecerily about if it's possible or not. The question shouldn't be "is it possible". The question should be "is it practical"? Gains in mass will be superslow, and fatloss will be superslow. If you have to spend six months loosing 20 lbs of fat and building 3 lbs of muscle while making very very small strenght gains ... it's just not worth it when you, in the long term, get faster results dieting down and strategicly increase your calories by 250 a month after the dietphase.

Im not telling you what to do by any means. I'm just saying we are humans, and have to consider that motivation and self-dicipline is the name of the bodybuilding game - especially when dieting. And 90% of the people wont be able to stick with the plan you layed down. Maby it's just me. I know I'd rather be ripped in two months than in six months. I had a fat% of about 30%. It'd take me forever to diet down.

It's a smart thing to think about who youre speaing to. If an ectomorph followed your advice, he'd HIT cardio away all his musclemass. And endomorph just wouldn't do it. Older guys with their joint akes wouldn't even think of sprinting. Big guys already knows that hit cardio burns away legmusclemass. Skinny guys with a jellybelly just need to eat more protein, less crap carbs, more healthy fats and move around alot more. If it's walking or sprinting - doesn't really matter.

This isn't true at all, it's possible to gain mass and lose fat at the same time. You need to give yourself a surplus of about 300-500 calories on the days you train. On the days you don't train, put yourself at about 300 below your basal metabolic rate and throw in some HIIT cardio.

You'll gain muscle mass a bit slower, but you'll lose fat. Also make sure your diet is very clean. Google "nutritional timing"