Nightgame: RSD Julien Pimp Contradiction?

[nicksaiz65]

Hey guys! Now that I’ve gotten my job and finished the certification from hell, I’m able to go out gaming again. To refresh myself, i rewatched RSD Julien’s Pimp.

It truly is a beautiful program. Basically everything you need to know about Nightgame Cold Approach.

But, I did notice one potential contradiction? Maybe someone could explain this to me.

Julien says, in the first half of the night that no girl is going to want to talk to just one guy for the next four hours. So you talk to lots of girls, with the aim to get phone numbers. In the second part of the night, you start texting all of those numbers and then you get into longer interactions with the girls and pull them.

But in a separate part of Pimp, Julien says that when you are talking to a girl at night, you never trust her to go off by herself: because even if it’s going amazing, you’ll never see her again. This is because girls operate in temporary truths.

I’ve found this to be true, and my wings have found it as well. Even when the sets are going so well and we were sure we’d get laid, if the girl walked off and disappeared it was all over.

But these two ideas don’t go together. They contradict each other.

Maybe he meant don’t let the girl go off in the second half of the night when you are trying to have longer interactions?

Was hoping someone could clear this up for me! I wanted to make sure my strategy/understanding is on 100% as I get back into the swing of things.

 

[Plinco]

Hey guys! Now that I’ve gotten my job and finished the certification from hell, I’m able to go out gaming again. To refresh myself, i rewatched RSD Julien’s Pimp.

It truly is a beautiful program. Basically everything you need to know about Nightgame Cold Approach.

But, I did notice one potential contradiction? Maybe someone could explain this to me.

Julien says, in the first half of the night that no girl is going to want to talk to just one guy for the next four hours. So you talk to lots of girls, with the aim to get phone numbers. In the second part of the night, you start texting all of those numbers and then you get into longer interactions with the girls and pull them.

But in a separate part of Pimp, Julien says that when you are talking to a girl at night, you never trust her to go off by herself: because even if it’s going amazing, you’ll never see her again. This is because girls operate in temporary truths.

I’ve found this to be true, and my wings have found it as well. Even when the sets are going so well and we were sure we’d get laid, if the girl walked off and disappeared it was all over.

But these two ideas don’t go together. They contradict each other.

Maybe he meant don’t let the girl go off in the second half of the night when you are trying to have longer interactions?

Was hoping someone could clear this up for me! I wanted to make sure my strategy/understanding is on 100% as I get back into the swing of things.

This is not the answer you're looking for. An ounce of experience is worth a pound of theory. Go out and find out through experience. You and Julian will get different experiences.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Analysis paralysis is a cope.

Get in the game.

 

[darksprezzatura]

When you enter a venue, be a social guy. Interact with a lot of people, guys and girls and keep moving. This creates familiarity, confidence and momentum.

If a girl leaves, let her leave. The interested ones will be clawing for you as they see you have fun with lots of girls.

The whole point of "being able to walk away" requires that you do indeed don't mind if you get laid or not.

Yesterday I smashed a girl in a restaurant, public. The same night I made a different girl cream.

The subconscious body language that "it doesn't matter if you sleep with me, I have plenty" screams more than any routine you could spit.

Pre-selection is a trump card. Use it wisely.

 

[SW15]

Julien says, in the first half of the night that no girl is going to want to talk to just one guy for the next four hours. So you talk to lots of girls, with the aim to get phone numbers.

But in a separate part of Pimp, Julien says that when you are talking to a girl at night, you never trust her to go off by herself: because even if it’s going amazing, you’ll never see her again. This is because girls operate in temporary truths.

The goal of night game in the 2010s and 2020s is not to get phone numbers. The goal of late night game post 2010 is to get the same night lay and only accept the phone number and separate first date plan if it is absolutely clear you can't get a same night lay from her. Prior to the invention of the smartphone and the growth in popularity of tech assisted dating, women were more option to late night interactions at bars resulting in dates after that night. I've seen an erosion in popularity of that and greater difficulty in keeping attention longer at bars than compared to the mid-2000s. The only bar venue situation where you can accept a phone number as a partial goal is if you are doing Happy Hour approaches Mon-Fri night between 5-8 PM. Women during Happy Hour on weekdays have a different vibe than women late at night, especially late night women on Friday and Saturday night. If you're getting numbers from Happy Hour type events, get her to agree to at least a date concept before getting her number.

Reaalize that phone numbers from late night type bar interactions have a higher chance of not resulting in dates than phone numbers from non-bar venues or Happy Hour type interactions. When you get a woman's number in a non-bar venue, she's sober and going to remember you. If you make a connection with a woman in a non-bar venue, it's most likely to be genuine. Late nights at the bar often lack sobriety and women don't feel as good about meeting men late night at bars for longer term things.

I agree on not trusting women to go off by herself. Move fast with women both at all times. With 15 minutes, you need to either have a date plan/phone number exchange or have isolated her in the bar and are beginning some physical escalation. Within 10-15 minutes at a non-bar venue is when you either have determined you can get her on an instanteous date (rare, I've done it once) or have a date/plan phone number exchange. Late at night, if you have isolated and physically escalated, try to get her back to your place within 60-90 minutes (no more than 2 drinks together). You don't want drunken, sloppy, lower quality sex. More drinks increases the probability of that.

 

[RangerMIke]

Never go into ANY situation expecting anyone to do anything, you can not control other people. If you walk into a club or party with the attitude you are going to get chicks you are halfway to failure. Why? Because you have already defined what a 'successful' evening looks like. (i.e get numbers, get laid). When that doesn't happen then your evening was disappointing.

You go to meet people and have fun... that's it. Look good, have fun, be self amused and if things happen... GREAT... if things don't happen GREAT... because you are having fun.

Women can sense if you want something from them, and with most chicks this turns them off the same way you are turned off when a used car salesman is trying to sell you a car.

 

[SargeMaximus]

Never go into ANY situation expecting anyone to do anything, you can not control other people. If you walk into a club or party with the attitude you are going to get chicks you are halfway to failure. Why? Because you have already defined what a 'successful' evening looks like. (i.e get numbers, get laid). When that doesn't happen then your evening was disappointing.

You go to meet people and have fun... that's it. Look good, have fun, be self amused and if things happen... GREAT... if things don't happen GREAT... because you are having fun.

Women can sense if you want something from them, and with most chicks this turns them off the same way you are turned off when a used car salesman is trying to sell you a car.

This approach never worked for me to be very honest. Unless I had a plan and goal, nothing has ever just magically happened

it’s funny you mention sales because I’m in sales and my approach is this: someone who wants a car appreciates a salesman who helps them get a car as fast as possible so they don’t waste time. No one cares about rapport, they want a car so help them get one and leave the rapport for your friends

 

[Mike32ct]

As a general rule, if you are just getting the number, then take the number and get away from her as soon as you reasonably can. If you’re not going to pull her then, it’s best to show some mystery and disappear after the number close. Plus, she might still leave with a different dude later; frankly you don’t want to see or know about that lol.

If you are going for the pull, stick to her like glue. In a fiercely competitive place like say Vegas, you especially need to be with her at all times. Bring her to the bar with you when you get the next round of drinks. I even had a guy try to hit on my girl in the hotel hallway 20 feet before we reached my room lol.

 

[bat soup]

Hey guys! Now that I’ve gotten my job and finished the certification from hell, I’m able to go out gaming again. To refresh myself, i rewatched RSD Julien’s Pimp.

It truly is a beautiful program. Basically everything you need to know about Nightgame Cold Approach.

But, I did notice one potential contradiction? Maybe someone could explain this to me.

Julien says, in the first half of the night that no girl is going to want to talk to just one guy for the next four hours. So you talk to lots of girls, with the aim to get phone numbers. In the second part of the night, you start texting all of those numbers and then you get into longer interactions with the girls and pull them.

But in a separate part of Pimp, Julien says that when you are talking to a girl at night, you never trust her to go off by herself: because even if it’s going amazing, you’ll never see her again. This is because girls operate in temporary truths.

I’ve found this to be true, and my wings have found it as well. Even when the sets are going so well and we were sure we’d get laid, if the girl walked off and disappeared it was all over.

But these two ideas don’t go together. They contradict each other.

Maybe he meant don’t let the girl go off in the second half of the night when you are trying to have longer interactions?

Was hoping someone could clear this up for me! I wanted to make sure my strategy/understanding is on 100% as I get back into the swing of things.

Whether you trust them to come back or not, how are you going to stop them? Are you going to handcuff them to the table?

 

[Dr.Suave]

I cant help u op. I havent cold approached in years. Triple booking with tinder/bumble matches y + Doing dates I actually enjoyed is what worked for me recently.

 

[SW15]

As a general rule, if you are just getting the number, then take the number and get away from her as soon as you reasonably can. If you’re not going to pull her then, it’s best to show some mystery and disappear after the number close. Plus, she might still leave with a different dude later; frankly you don’t want to see or know about that lol.

If you are going for the pull, stick to her like glue. In a fiercely competitive place like say Vegas, you especially need to be with her at all times. Bring her to the bar with you when you get the next round of drinks. I even had a guy try to hit on my girl in the hotel hallway 20 feet before we reached my room lol.

This is a perfect explanation.

Never go into ANY situation expecting anyone to do anything, you can not control other people. If you walk into a club or party with the attitude you are going to get chicks you are halfway to failure. Why? Because you have already defined what a 'successful' evening looks like. (i.e get numbers, get laid). When that doesn't happen then your evening was disappointing.

You go to meet people and have fun... that's it. Look good, have fun, be self amused and if things happen... GREAT... if things don't happen GREAT... because you are having fun.

Women can sense if you want something from them, and with most chicks this turns them off the same way you are turned off when a used car salesman is trying to sell you a car.

This line of thinking would never fly in a military situation. The military trains a person to be prepared. As a seducer, you have to be prepared to make approaches. You have to be prepared for what you might face out there. I agree that you can't control others but you can influence the environment to a limited extent.

Arranging dates and getting laid is a big part of meeting people and having fun.

This approach never worked for me to be very honest. Unless I had a plan and goal, nothing has ever just magically happened

it’s funny you mention sales because I’m in sales and my approach is this: someone who wants a car appreciates a salesman who helps them get a car as fast as possible so they don’t waste time. No one cares about rapport, they want a car so help them get one and leave the rapport for your friends

While there is overlap, sales and dating are not entirely analogous.

Car salespeople are not popular in general. They're higher pressure and want to move faster than a lot of people want to buy. This can happen in mating/seduction with thirsty guys wanting to have sex as soon as possible. Some women will have sex fast like some buyers will buy a car fast. A lot of the women who have sex fast and a lot of car buyers who buy cars fast were already prepared to have sex or buy a car from that brand/dealer. A lot of times, things happened in spite of the sales rep/seducer, not necessarily because of anything skilled that the sales rep or seducer did.

 

[Serenity]

Maybe he meant don’t let the girl go off in the second half of the night when you are trying to have longer interactions?

That would be my take on it. Assess your options first by talking to various girls, pick one out and stick to her. If for some reason the one you picked doesn't pan out then some of the other options you encountered earlier in the night might be viable.

There's no contradiction. Most contradictions and paradoxes seem to be that way because we assume both to be true simultaneously, but factoring in time both can be true, although at different times.

I remember back in the day when I watched a lot of RSD material and I had a hard time understanding why they would make paradoxical statements all the time. Which one is it? I didn't get it, until I realized an entire evening doesn't exist in a single moment, two opposing statements can be true in an evening, just not in the same exact moment. Our experience of the moment isn't static, it's fluid, ever changing and the optimal course of action can change from one moment to the next given new information about the situation.

I struggled a lot with paradoxes, so much that I felt lost. Time and changing conditions dissolves all of them.