Negative hits seem to work better on 9's than 6's

[white sox bill]

Is this my imagination or not? Is it because the hotties are used to hearing how hot they are and the plain janes (5's) aren't? So you place yourself above the rest of the chumps by borderline insulting them?

Example--I have a wedding reception date soon with a HB9, she's 26 and has dated semi-professional athletes. I have known her since she was young, having known her family quite well (in fact, I may be in the dreaded friend zone). Anyway, I am her trainer at gym, the other day we talked about her feeling light headed, she said she hopes she doesn't pass out. My response was "Well I'm sure in the hell aren't gonna give you mouth to mouth, I'll drag your butt out to the sidewalk and call 911 and tell them someone's passed out on the sidewalk"

She laughed so loud and long! She even repeated the line to another member whos she knows! This girls so used to having guys kiss her butt, then she hears this from me...I doubt someone whos 4 points lower on the peter meter would think that was funny. Anyone agree?
Bill

 

[G-Theory]

Totally agree.

I think its a self-esteem kind of thing. If a totally hot 9 has super low self esteem I think she would react poorly to a neg, but how many HB 9+'s out there have low self-esteem?

 

[Mind_Body_Soul]

Totally agree.

I think its a self-esteem kind of thing. If a totally hot 9 has super low self esteem I think she would react poorly to a neg, but how many HB 9+'s out there have low self-esteem?

It's definitely true. Plus more HB9s are used to the game so they get the neg-hits even if it "pi$$es them off". The less attractive ones don't date as much and therefore don't get the game.

EDIT: and a lot of HB9s have low self esteem - even regarding their looks. Women will always think another girl is hotter. You could have a brunette see a blonde walk in and think that she's hotter just because of the hair color. Women are very catty and insecure. All of them.

 

[G-Theory]

Women are very catty and insecure. All of them.

I think the has to do with women wanting/needing to be the center of attention. If the attention is directed elsewhere she will fight for it and then if she still doesn't have the attention returned to her then she will begin to wonder what is wrong with her.

EDIT: This probably is due to the primal reproductive instinct.

 

[Hitman10000]

I think negging only works if you are at a buddy-buddy level, kinda like with your dude friends. Whoever taught DJs that neg-hitting girls will make you appear like a man is an idiot.

 

[joekerr31]

Totally agree.

I think its a self-esteem kind of thing. If a totally hot 9 has super low self esteem I think she would react poorly to a neg, but how many HB 9+'s out there have low self-esteem?

self esteem has multiple layers.

very few HB 9s have low self esteem regarding their looks. they know that men want to f*ck them because they are getting macked on all the time.

but you can crush an HB 9 by insulting her intelligence or personality. why is that? well, HB 9s have never been told they have a great mind or personality - not in a genuine voice anyway. guys just want to screw them and praise them for how beautiful they are.

for most people, whatever the world doesn't reinforce constantly becomes an issue of esteem. take someone who is realy smart and tell them they are dumb and it won't phase them a bit - why? - because they KNOW they are smarter than most people.

your neg hit on the HB9 wasn't really a neg hit. the very fact that you brought it around to something sexual like mouth to mouth CLEARLY tells her that you are thinking of her in a desirable manner. you aren't neg hitting her you are flirting with her and she knows it.

now it would have been funny had you done this...

her: "Jeez, i feel like im about to pass out."
You: quick, what's "3+8-2?"
her: ummmmm
You: hurry hurry whats the answer (smiling while you do it)
her: (confused can't figure it out)
You: times up. (laugh). lets take it a easy today. you might have the flu or something. when it gets hard to solve simple math problems its a good indicator that you're not in the best shape for a heavy work out.
her: ya. i have been feeling kind of tired.

thats a neg hit! now instead of her thinking about hwo she's going to tease your c*ck until you have to have her, shes going to be worried about looking like an idiot in front of you again.

more over you've just laid the ground work for a BILLION neg hits in the future. any time she tries to control you by getting your c*ck hard with her smile you can draw back power by saying "quick whats 9+5-7?" (be VERY playful though when you do this.)

 

[Mind_Body_Soul]

I think the has to do with women wanting/needing to be the center of attention. If the attention is directed elsewhere she will fight for it and then if she still doesn't have the attention returned to her then she will begin to wonder what is wrong with her.

EDIT: This probably is due to the primal reproductive instinct.

G-Theory - I agree. I'm always under the impression that everything comes down to our primitive reproductive instincts. Women want to feel as though they offer the "best egg" and they want to be the one that the alpha male (us) lays. When we direct our attention elsewhere... she feels that she has been rejected in lieu of a better mate.

I think negging only works if you are at a buddy-buddy level, kinda like with your dude friends. Whoever taught DJs that neg-hitting girls will make you appear like a man is an idiot.

I disagree, but it really comes down to how you neg. I always do David DeAngelo style negs which ALWAYS have a hint of humor in them. I never open with a neg either. This just comes off as a pickup line or worse.

For me the typical neg pattern is something like this

MBS: Hi. (With a big smile)
HB: Hello.
MBS/HB: (Random small talk to establish rapport - maybe a few mins)
MBS: So what's the deal with those earrings anyways? (wait for response)
HB: What do you mean?
MBS: It's just that women always wear these ginormous earrings like they are SETI looking for signals from space. (make hand gestures like in Zoolander where you are beaming outer space) Is this your way of drawing attention away from all the competition in here? (point to all the other girls in here - all this is said with open body language, smile on face, slap her arm etc.)
HB: (laughing hopefully) I just like them. (This is the dumb sh1t women come up with)
MBS: Hmmm.... (look like you are deep in thought) They're OK...... (pause) If you're into THAT sort of thing. (now time for a quick change to something positive) So what do you think about Justin and Cameron? What a pimp huh?
HB: Yea...


These are the types of interractions you want to have with a women - playful etc. Have FUN!

EDIT: One note about neg hits and c&f in general. I always make sure to never joke about something that a person has no control over. In other words...

Joke about
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fashion choices
hair colors (if they are dyed)
what they're drinking
the words they use
the quick addition c&f above is classic
taking too long to reply to you - e.g. thinking too slowly

Don't Joke about
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Physical deformities e.g. a mole or scar
Their name (NEVER EVER joke about a girl's name)
Their friends

 

[realsmoothie]

yeah, target your C&F to a characteristic, don't just throw it around willy nilly. I used to do this all the time by accident.... I'd tease 6's about their looks and 9's about their brains... oops.

OTHER WAY AROUND, DIPSH*T! (me talking to myself)

 

[Nighthawk]

From my masterly thread

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=102590

Hot women have a totally different life experience to regular people. They can generally get whatever they want by fluttering their eyelashes, and this power corrupts many of them, especially when they are young and stupid. Some will be having too much fun collecting gifts and free food and drinks from their circle of AFCs supplicants to realise that they will get more pleasure from being dominated by a real man, but it is something they all discover sooner or later.

They often gravitate towards thugs, jerks or criminals. This isn't always because they are bad people, but because they are so BORED of the 99% of men who kiss their asss 24/7 that any man with some backbone is irresistible. It is non-jerky thug man's fault they are driven to these types, because they really do prefer a man they can trust if possible. But they crave the most genuinely confident, dominant man they can find, and the bad-boy is usually a safe bet (although they often find they can pussify these types too).

They will test fast and big-time to see if you have the balls to challenge them. Pass this test and you are already ahead of 99% of the competition.

Rarely if ever compliment them on their looks. They know they are hot and they are pretty sure you know it. Keep them guessing.

I'm going to repeat my list of words and phrases that turn on HB9/10s.

"No"

"Shut up."

"You're a retard."

"You're not as stupid as you look."

"Just do it.

Get it yourself you lazy bytch."

"We'll see. If you're a good girl."

"Bend over."


If you can't understand why any one would get a sexual thrill from being talked to like that, that's because you're not a cosseted little madam who hasn't been held accountable for her actions by a man since she learnt how to wrap daddy/teacher/traffic cop/the jury/ round her little finger.

All women want to be ****ed, today if possible, and hotties are often the most frustrated because they so rarely feel they are getting a fair deal. There are far more women who know how to make themselves 10s in the eyes of a man there there are men who understand what a woman desires most. This is to your advantage.

A powerful woman wants a powerful mate. Power comes in many forms, and intelligence, ambition, principals and talent command respect - if they are displayed correctly. Musicians and artists get very hot women, even if they are ugly, poor and frankly rubbish. It's the creative urge and the confidence to express yourself that is attractive.

Everything I've said must be underlined in the bedroom. Or better, up against the wall. The hotter a woman is, the more she enjoys being spanked, tied-up, being called a wh0re. etc. Don't blame me, that's the way it is. Just remember it's supposed to be fun not creepy.

There are those who say that a 9/10 is too much work and they are more comfortable with an easier-going 7 or 8 and I totally understand that. A lot of 9s and 10s are totally unsuitable for a LTR for example, and are best for non-exclusive fvck-buddys.

But there are also 9s & 10s who are not *****es, who long for a strong, trustworthy, decent man to love and cherish - but he must also satisfy her sexual need to be dominated and constantly challenged. Anything less just isn't enough.

 

[Mind_Body_Soul]

"No"

"Shut up."

"You're a retard."

"You're not as stupid as you look."

"Just do it.

Get it yourself you lazy bytch."

"We'll see. If you're a good girl."

"Bend over."

Classic. I love it.

 

[thirtyplus]

Negs are a value adjustment tool. Use them whenever a woman seems to BELIEVE her value is HIGHER than yours. Neg hit her until her value has been brought down to yours, or yours has been raised to hers (although there are better ways to do that last. DHV demonstrating higher value in short).

So don't use them just when you THINK a girl is a 9. use them when a girl is ACTING like SHE thinks she is a 9.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

I heard this on Tom Leykis once, but I tend to agree with it; Women really should have two degrees of rating, physical and self-esteem. It's no great secret that exceptionally beautiful women (HB 8.5+) generally have lower self-esteem and/or less education, as this aspect of their development tends to be neglected as they mature. This doesn't mean very attractive women are 'dumb' per se, just that the motivation to educate themselves was the cost of their constantly being rewarded for their physical appearance.

The idea of a dual rating is first the physical (i.e. the HB scale), and the second for self-esteem, 1-10. Most super attractive women would register at about 8.5+ physical and around 3 to 5 on esteem. Thus the classic 'bimbo' might be a 9/3, where as the sterotypical 'professional' woman may be a 6/8. It's extreme imbalances that a guy needs to watch for. For instance the 9.5/2 might be psychotic or have BPD, but her physical presence and sexuality will get you trapped up in her life issues - a lot of strippers fit this bill. Neg hits on a girl like this are only putting gasoline on a fire and will get you locked into a lifetime of drama and insanity.

Also, beware getting entangled with the 5/9.5 as this is the girl who thinks far too much of herself intellectually and is generally seen waving banners at the nearest feminism rally. This is the girl who'll constantly berate men for only being concerned with the physical and wants to change the world to better fit her inability to deal with it. Not that getting with an HB 5 is ever worth your time, but Neg hits on a girl like this only insense them that much more.

Ideally you'll want to look for a girl right around 8.5+/6 to 7. Easier said than done I realize, but keep that score in mind when you're sarging and you'll be able to gauge what type of Neg (or any other PUA technique) will or wont work.

 

[Mind_Body_Soul]

Rollo - I really like that separation into physical/mental ratings. I tend to focus more closely on the mental and less so on the physical. So therefore, dating a 7+/9 is what I shoot for. I'm very focused on personality and some on here are more focused on 8+/Xs which is not my game.

 

[DJDamage]

There is no need to do negs on 6's because they aren't used to get constant attention from guys trying to kiss their ass everywhere they go.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

There is no need to do negs on 6's because they aren't used to get constant attention from guys trying to kiss their ass everywhere they go.

I Agree.

[rant=on]
I swear that I think guys use neg-hits on women (any women) because it's easier for them to give an insult than to hold a real conversation. I don't think that more than a fraction of men know what neg-hits are meant to be used.
[/rant]

That being said, WSB did pretty good with his come back but I wonder how it would have panned out if they hadn't had known each other.

 

[grinder]

Don't Joke about
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Physical deformities e.g. a mole or scar
Their name (NEVER EVER joke about a girl's name)
Their friends

I would add weight to this list. I did a neg hit on a hb9+ that is turning out bad. Even though she is thin, she’s now crash dieting, and I actually do feel bad about that. Nothing I say or do now can change her mind.

 

[d9930380]

The problem with really gorgeous women is that they have no personality as they've never needed to develop it to keep people interested. I like using a line taken from Howard Stern which is sort of an insult but they never pick up on that:

"It must be great being you. You see, I have this theory, being a hot girl is like being famous, everyone wants to talk to you and if the conversation is boring then they blame themselves"

Basically I'm telling her I find her boring but she thinks I'm calling her hot, and likes the analogy - she likes bering thought off as famous.

 

[Mind_Body_Soul]

The problem with really gorgeous women is that they have no personality as they've never needed to develop it to keep people interested. I like using a line taken from Howard Stern which is sort of an insult but they never pick up on that:

"It must be great being you. You see, I have this theory, being a hot girl is like being famous, everyone wants to talk to you and if the conversation is boring then they blame themselves"

Basically I'm telling her I find her boring but she thinks I'm calling her hot, and likes the analogy - she likes bering thought off as famous.

I like the idea but wouldn't use it on a girl if that's what you're doing. I wouldn't start taking the mindset that all really gorgeous women have no personalities. It's negative and sets up a bad mindset from the get-go. Assume the best in everyone and let them prove you otherwise.

 

[edger]

All this talk about HB 8.5-10's generally having low self-esteem has to be the one of the most far off from the truth discussions I've seen on here yet. MOST hot women don't have self-esteem issues. If you go about your day getting eyed by men, hit on, and complimented by men, all around the clock, there's no way you can possibly have self-esteem issues, because these instances only serve as positive reinforcement that they are desirable. Yea, there are some exceptions where a hot woman will have low self-esteem, but those cases are RARE, from what I've witnessed in all my 27 years of existence. And if you do happen to come across a woman who is hot with low self-esteem(which is absolutely rare) about her looks, then I'd argue something isn't right with her somewhere.

 

[Charm]

According to Rollo's scale, I go for: 7/7, the 8/6, or the 9/5 - Im fine with the 7/5 however, the 8/4 and the 9/3 - If im feeling really adventurous Ill play with the occasional 9.5/2 but those usually result in drama out the wazoo!

Oh and I think the girl on that one year of the apprentice in the final round was a solid 8/8