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Alright here is the story.

Around 2 years ago, this girl who I basically worshiped stopped talking to me... Pretty much becuase I got fed up and told her that she needed to either put out or get out. She choose to get out and we haven't spoken since (This was right before I found this site).

Alot has changed since then. I could go on but it would be poinless bosting to make myself feel better about what I have done, but let's just say I made myself into a more well rounded person. More importantly, I now know how women operate.

Here is the deal:

yesterday, I got a letter at my office that was forwarded from my old address where i used to live (I get all my old mail forwared to my office). It was hand written which was extremely rare, and I remembered the address it was from. It was this girl. Talk about out of the blue. I hadn't forot about her, but at the time she was the last thing on my mind.

Anyway, here is what the letter said:


Brandon ! (My name)

Guess who :)

I don't know how to get ahold of you so I decided to write your mom's address (I hope this gets to you!)
Can you believe it's been 2 years? Instead of writing you about what I've been doing for the past 2 years, I'd like to hear from you by phone. You were such a good friend and I appreciate everything you did for me.


Old Friends
(This girls name)

Address (like I didn't know it)

Now, first let me state that she is a looker, and honestly besides the normal teenage girly things, she is a good person. The only thing with her is that she is hot as hell and not only knows it, but knows how to take advantage of it.

I am thinking the following:

a) It's not like she gave me a phone call to see how I was doing, she dug up my address, and i know it couldn't have been that easy because she never wrote me before.

b) You don't not talk to someone, and espically the way we split ways, and then talk to them 2 years later and not want something in specefic, although I don't know what exactly yet.


I am thinking that a) she is genwiinely interested in how I am doing, whichI think is slim to none

b) she saw me in public without me seeing her and something resparked her interest level

c) She simply ran out of men to boss around and I was pretty easy at that time, so decided to give an old friend a call.

I will write her back; although she is good looking, I am not looking for a relationship, I really would like some company to keep me occupied from time to time, and like I said, she could be a pretty good friend when she wanted I also don't think she wrote me becuase she is sexually interested in me, but that could and probably will change once we see each other again.

I am not trying to "get back at her for doing me wrong" or anything along thoose lines and I am not trying to "win her over"; far from it. I just would like to have a friend who Ic an call up from time to time to take out to eat or something along thoose lines, with no strings attached, and maybe some nokie from time to time.

Also note that although she didn't want a relationship with me, there were times, although I was to blinded or to scared to see it that she wanted me just as bad as I wanted her.


How accurate do you think I am of this assessment, and does anyone have any tips on how to proceed?
 
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You are on her mind for a reason - find out!!!
 

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I agree with PRL. A girl doesn't initiate contact after two years without a GOOD reason. Who knows...maybe she's ready to put out now! You'll never know unless you call her.:D

Good Luck!!!
 

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Proceed with caution; it sounds really sketchy that she would take 2 years to contact you. She may have recently broken up with a boyfriend which is why she took so long to contact you and she doesn't have any other options right now .Don't expect too much. Do not try to pressure her into sex. When you pressure them they only pull further away from you. If she doesn't want to play by your rules then get rid of her.
 

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Originally posted by WaterTiger
I agree with PRL. A girl doesn't initiate contact after two years without a GOOD reason. Who knows...maybe she's ready to put out now! You'll never know unless you call her.:D

Good Luck!!!
Exactly what I was thinking. Here is a little update, although It's not very much.

I remembered her email address around the middle of yesterday, so I sent her a test email that simply said "Test", you know, to see if it would bouce back because most people do not keep the same email address for 2 years. To my suprise It didn't and when I got home last night from shooting pool I saw a message from this girl in my box.

"OMIGOSH!!!
Your ALIVE!
Hey!
Its been sooo long.... I'm glad to hear from you.

So what's been going on with you?"


2 things I have picked up on. One, in both the email and the message, she will not say anything about her, but is determined to find out what I have been doing. I find that rather odd from a girl who is used to having guys listen to her every problem. 2nd, she is not a genius by any means, but she is retatilvey smart, she even writes an article for the arkansas hispanic newspaper and has been doing it since she was 16, and she has written me at least 40 letters while we were still friends, I know for a fact she is good with words, but yet the email she sent and the letter she sent in the mail were short... Very short.

I am sure something isn't right about this, my gut just tells me. Honestly though I am not expecting much, for all I know she could be calling everyone in her rolodex that she hasn't talked to in a while trying to see what they were doing, but I doubt that.
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Yeah, she probably just broke up with her boyfriend or something. Forget about her, unless maybe you want to use her for social proof.
 

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As I stated before, I don't really want to forgot about her, one reason is in fact social proof, secondly, I work alot. A whole lot. I usually work from 6 in the morning to around 9 at night. I don't necessary need a girl friend right now, nor do I really want one, but a female to just socilize with would be great. I am sure she is good for that.
 
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You work from 6am to 9pm? WOW!! You must have three jobs - hahahahaha - I just saw your screen name, now I know why you call yourself "Backbreaker"!!!

I think this girl had a baby or something dramatic happen in her life in the past two years and she wants to share it with you but wants you to ask her first.
 

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I started my own company around 2 years ago, actually right after me and her stopped talking, which is part of what I ment by alot has changed, and to be honest 6-9 is a good day (you can see why I don't date, and I refuse to "dip my pen in the company ink"). I am the C.F.O and Co Chairman, and earlier today the C.E.O had to have his wisdom teeth pulled in sugery, so he is out of commission, meaning I am doing his job and mine, so I doubt I will go home until wednesday.


BTW, she sent me an email eariler today saying she would call me when she got out of class later tonight and give me her number in case I wanted to call her.

I am thinking the same thing as you... Something must have happened that was pretty bad to want to call me of all people up and "talk". Even in the first letter she sent she said " you were a good friend and I appricate everything you did for me in the past" she might as well have added "and I want more of that same treatment in the future"
 

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Just don't give her any money man-- other than that do what you will...
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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Originally posted by playasupreme
Just don't give her any money man-- other than that do what you will...

that's the funny thing... If she is like I remember her, she hated me buying her things... Well not hated, but didn't encorage it. I guess because back then I was a broke 18 year old kid living with his mom, and she didn't feel comfortable taking things from me knowing she didn't like me, which is understandable.

Honestly, I have enough money where money is money, it can be replaced, but with that said I do get your point.
 

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Here is an update on what happened

I sent her an email sunday, for some reason or another she was busy and said she would call me on monday when she got out of school at 9pm... and i'll be dammed if my phone didn't ring at 9pm on the dot.

The first 5 mintues or so were pretty awkward, but then we loosened up and got down to business...


Although she said that the reason she called me was because she just missed having me around and that i was fun to talk to and all of that stuff, I knew 30 mintues into the conversation why she called... I will get to that in a second.


The only real rift we got into, and it wasn't and isn't that serious to me, is that I really can't see her... She called me up out of the blue, so I had the right to assume she wants to see me, and she said she did but her BF wouldn't let her.

I actually know this guy, well don't know him, but she was with him when we stopped talking, and I could see what she ment... He is one of thoose Physo-AFC's...

She says she knows her "situtation" is messed up, and she knows that she isn't supposed to not see friends, but "I am content with it" and "I will find time to see you, it just can't be on the weekend". After that she begged me not to get mad for around 5 mintues and we moved on.


ANYWAY, besides the fact that she has a BF, something she said pretty much summed up her situtation; " I am content with my situtation, I know what to expect from my BF and I like to be pampered". Translation in case you don't know what that means, is "He is okay I guess, but there hasn't been anyone good enough come along to make me think about cheating or leaving, and I will just put up with this stuff until that man comes".

(she won't admit it, but that's why she is attracted to him, he is extremely over protective).


To get to my point, juding from this conversation and her tone of voice, the way we were talking, etc... She has feelings for me, she actually HAD more feelings for me than I thought to my suprise and pretty much gave me an open inventation to make a run at her.

The bottom line, if she saw me as a friend, why would she feel like she is doing something wrong by going to Starbucks to get a glass of coffee? The fact is she doesn't.


My plan is to get her from her BF and date her. I plan on doing that by taking the following actions, in breif:

* Have as much "fun" as possible whenever we are talking or together, and keep the covo's short but memorbable (she has a bad habit of calling me up and just sitting on the phone)

* Make her see me more often, which shouldn't be hard if the first part goes right. Her BF is pretty boring and they fight alot... wouldn't you want to go see a girl if you were guaranteed to have a good time everytime you saw her?

* Make her think of me sexually. I am not saying she doesn't, but first I want to break her down and feel extremely comfortable around me before I go that route. If my intitutaion is correct, once step 1 and 2 are done or are both in progress, this shouldn't be that hard.

* Go for the kill; make her realize what she doesn't and can easily have. It's all downhill from here. Because I now see her whenever I pretty much feel like it, and we hang out alot, she is natrually going to compare us. I look better than he does, make more money, I am a hell of a lot smarter, I have my insecurities, but letting my girl "be her' isn't one of them, and to be frank, I am more of a man in general. Not only that, the most important part is that she will know that she just plain has more FUN with me than HIM, if I do what I am supposed to do. By this time we should be on an equal playing field; the fact that she has been with him for 2 years is mute, because we have known each other since I was 16 and have been good friends since I was 17, which makes it pretty much 4 years. Besides a few things that no one knows, there is not much we don't know about each other.

* Do it! Once I can get her to compare us , that's game set and match, but everything else has to be done in a percise order or else it will all come apart or at least not have a good chance of working to my benefit.
 

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You're more patient than I am. Two suggestions: don't put up with her "can't-see-you-on-weekends" sh!t and don't talk so long on the phone with her.

Also, if I were you, I'd be seeing other girls too and not put all my eggs in one basket.
 

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Honestly, I was thinking about that, but how should I rebut the "i can't see you on weekends?"

This weekend I honestly know she can't see me.. she is babysitting all weekend for someone going out of town, but how would that comback go?
 

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just tell her you dont understand why everything has to revolve around her schedule and that if she's not willing to sacrifice some time on weekends then your not willing to sacrifice some time on weekdays.
 

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Yeah, if she's really into you, she'll spend some weekends with you. Don't let her tell you when you'll get together--except for times like when she's babysitting. Her boyfriend is no excuse.
 

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Okay, I get the point, but the thing is, we are actually pretty good friends, as a matter of fact I would venture to say that before we stopped talking she was my best friend, which makes that the oddest, I don't know what i want to call it, I have ever been in.

That's another thing, she really couldn't see me on weekdays if she wanted and she knows it... I work all day and she has school.

Nevertheless, this is the least of my concerns, If I am not busy and she isn't busy I will see her, plain and simple, but I would like to know how to I present that point.
 

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What the hell--? Just point out the obvious, that you can't get together on weekdays because of work and school so it'll have to be weekends.
 

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just as fast as I got done, I got this in my Inbox from her:


Sorry its taken me a while to get back to you. I am really behind on
homework.
Info for you:

the downtown partnership
375-0121
downtownlr.com (company looking for real estate, her mom works here)

Sorry to make you feel like you are 2nd but (my BF) "might" not be able to
come home this weekend. If you don't have any plans and I don't have any
plans... We should do something. ok?
You understand right? I mean the whole relationship thing comes first when
you only see each other on weekends right?

I don't mind if you don't agree with me about the above : )

Talk to you soon!




I did forget to mention that her BF lives 200 miles away and only comes in town on the weekends (I guess you thought I was playing when I said AFC)
 

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Okay, I get the point, but the thing is, we are actually pretty good friends, as a matter of fact I would venture to say that before we stopped talking she was my best friend, which makes that the oddest, I don't know what i want to call it, I have ever been in.
This is why I never become friends with women I'm attracted to.
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

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