Need Help Just Meeting Women

Stavrogin

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Several weeks ago, I posted that I was a 27-year-old virgin who hasn't been on a date. Like I said before, I've read the DJ Bible and realized how badly I've screwed up with the opposite sex for most of my post-pubescent life. So please don't think I'm blaming it on God for my lack of success with women; I take full responsibility for my failure.

I want to apply the DJ Bible's lessons and this forum's advice wherever and whenever possible. The problem: I haven't been able to meet any women with whom I can apply this advice. Although I work for a large company, precious few of my female colleagues are single and within my age group. Whatever women there might be attracted to me would probably never consider going out with me, as they would probably worry that their friends would ridicule them for going out with a guy who makes much less than they do and doesn't have a respectable job. So I don't think work is a target-rich environment.

Most guys seem to be able to meet single girls at clubs or bars. I'm not sure if this would be a viable option for me, since being friendless means I would have to go alone, and I don't think women would want to go out with or be approached by a loner, unless he's wearing a Rolex. Again, a woman would probably worry about what her friends think of her, or she would think there is something wrong with me for not having friends by age 27. When I go to the movies, I am almost always the only person there by himself, and people sometimes look at me as though I must be a psycho about to go on a killing spree. Should I still go to clubs and bars by myself?

I'm at the end of my rope. I spend a considerable amount of time in bookstores and coffee shops. The love gurus are smoking something when they say these places are teeming with single girls; I rarely see any attractive women there. At coffee shops, it seems that whatever attractive women go there just take their coffee to go! I need a new theatre of operations. Also, I have belonged to the same gym for many years, and almost all the women there are menopausal. I'm seriously thinking about switching gyms, so I've got that base covered.

By the way, I admit I tried a certain online dating service that advertises on the radio. I discontinued use of that service after a few months when I discovered that most of my matches were non-subscribers. In response to my request for a refund, the customer service representative/bot informed me that matching subscribers with non-subscribers was "essential" because it allows subscribers to know what it feels like to be matched. No, I didn't get a refund.

I can only envy the guys here who worry that their girlfriends think they have small penises. I wish I had that luxury. :crackup:
 

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I wouldn't recommend the clubs. In this environment, you have to have the 'Hit it and Next it' attitude. You're not the type.

Other avenues would be friends, family, job, and gym. Get a job part-time job at a men/womens clothing shop.
 

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I go out with my friends and hit the bars 4-5 times a month and when Im with them I NEVER pickup

Last spring I was sitting around the house doing squat and my friends who I would normally would hang with were not around so I said screw it and went to a bar myself

I just walked in sat down at the bar and ordered a beer and watched NBA Playoffs on the Big Screen.

Most people were sitting in groups at tables getting drunk, laughing having a good time, it did'nt bother me at all I felt at peace not like a dork which is how I figured I would feel

Make the story short the waitress behind the bar was really cute and always made sure I had a cold beer in my hand, she made lot's of conversation with me(Probably becauase she felt sorry for me LOL) but who cares I was talking with a hot chick and drinking beer, that sure beats sitting at home watching TV

Towards the end of the night two cute girls approached me and started talking with me and one bought me a drink, as the night went on it was me and one girl sitting together at the bar drinking beers doing shots and talking about EVERYTHING this girl was buying me drinks all night. We really hit it off and she drove me home and we made out in her car, exchanged phone numbers and had alot of fun throughout the spring and summer.

I know for a fact if my friends were with me that night no way in hell that girl approaches me. I even asked her half kidding if she talked to me becuase she felt sorry for the loner sitting at the bar and she said no that just made it easier for me to approach, if you were with a buch of guys I would have been to nervous

I know for me personally it's much easier approaching one girl, rather a pack of them. That was also her point.

Point of the story is just get out of the house and be around people, don't worry about going out alone or what people might think. People don't really care anyway LOL they just wanna have fun just like you do

Don't make excuses for yourself.
 

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being friendless means I would have to go alone, and I don't think women would want to go out with or be approached by a loner, unless he's wearing a Rolex. Again, a woman would probably worry about what her friends think of her, or she would think there is something wrong with me for not having friends by age 27. When I go to the movies, I am almost always the only person there by himself, and people sometimes look at me as though I must be a psycho about to go on a killing spree.
Someone on here said it best when they said "Nobody's judging you because everybody's too busy judging themselves". Your mindset is what's stopping you from approaching women. You don't need a fvcking rolex or friends to approach women or go to places where there are women. Many guys on here (including myself) go out solo and manage to pick up women with ease. The successful ones work on changing their negative opinions of themselves and turn it into something more positive.

Quit focussing on the negatives. Look yourself in the mirror and tell yourself everything that's positive about you and your life. You've got no kids, you've got your freedom, you're not married to a woman who hates you, and you're going to make some woman lucky to even have the privelage of dating a great guy like you!

Life is full of risks. Until you're willing to risk going outside your comfort zone and begin going places solo to approach women, you're going to stay stuck in the rut that your in.
 

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Desdinova is entirely correct.

Here's what I would do. Put women out of your head for now, seriously... Your constant worrying about them is turning everything into a negative.

Do you realise that being friendless at 27 is more concerning than not being able to pick up women?

I don't have a gf right now, I get my fair share but you know what... I got an awesome bunch of friends around me and my life is great... This means I am in a positive and confident mood and if a girl comes along, she gets to have the privaledge of being part of my life. You get me?

Fix the friends thing first. Fix the fulfilling life thing first.

At the end of the day, if you can't develop and maintain friendships with guys, you are always going to be intimidated by women!

So.... start going out a bit.... Get some new interests or hobbies. Join some groups. Start to speak to people... Develop a friends network.

Whilst doing this, read books, forums and start learning about how to get on better with women also. It will all come..
 

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JoeBlack said:
Desdinova is entirely correct.

Here's what I would do. Put women out of your head for now, seriously... Your constant worrying about them is turning everything into a negative.

Do you realise that being friendless at 27 is more concerning than not being able to pick up women?

I don't have a gf right now, I get my fair share but you know what... I got an awesome bunch of friends around me and my life is great... This means I am in a positive and confident mood and if a girl comes along, she gets to have the privaledge of being part of my life. You get me?

Fix the friends thing first. Fix the fulfilling life thing first.

At the end of the day, if you can't develop and maintain friendships with guys, you are always going to be intimidated by women!

So.... start going out a bit.... Get some new interests or hobbies. Join some groups. Start to speak to people... Develop a friends network.

Whilst doing this, read books, forums and start learning about how to get on better with women also. It will all come..
For real...my love life isn't where I want it to be but I got a kickass team of dudes that I hang with, positive, forward thinking cats. Find some good dudes to chill with and you won't be thinking so much about the woman situation. Take the first step.
 

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let me tell you guys something. being the "prize" really works!! there is no real great way of getting women because everyone is creative in his own way. i love to make people laugh. some men are poetic,some are mechanically inclined.
the thing is when we meet a woman, we lose all ability to show who we are and THAT'S why we act like wussies. YOU are the catch. THE PRIZE!!! Let the woman be intrigued by YOU! Trust me, their big ass that they lug around isn't going anywhere so show who you are. If you just follow them around, they will see you as useless asswipes. Hey, women watch EVERYTHING so show them your stuff as if you had an audience, because the women watch all things. that's why they even admit that they are nosey.
 

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Yes, I agree it is troubling that I don't have any friends at age 27. I really don't know what to do about that. People at work have rejected and excluded me for years. People don't want to be friends with someone who has no friends, so it's a catch-22.

I feel completely isolated and invisible. It really makes my blood boil when I see people my age hanging out in groups or with their families. I can count my surviving relatives on one hand. I feel like I'm missing out or have missed out on everything. I worry that it might be too late to do anything about it. I sweat bullets thinking about one day being a middle-aged man without any friends or family.

Someone in an above post advised me to think of all the good things about me and to imagine that some woman out there will feel lucky to go out with me. But I'm afraid that women will disregard my good qualities because I have a low-paying job. Women seem absolutely obsessed with what kind of job a guy has. Whenever I hear a woman talk about some guy she went out with, the first thing I hear her friends ask her is what not whether he's cool or even if he's good-looking but what kind of job he has. I don't think any woman would want to explain to her friends and family that she goes out with a guy who makes hardly anything, lives with his parents, AND is a virgin. Sure, I have honor, integrity, and intelligence, but nobody cares about those things.
 

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Stav,

This is going to be long, but read the whole thing dammit. I'm 27. I'm a virgin. I've never been on a date. Until a few months ago, I had no friends. I probably hadn't spoken to a woman outside of a business transaction in years. Now, I do have a good job, and my own place. But other than that, until a few months ago, I was probably as close to being your identical virgin twin as anyone on the site, and so I think this advice stands a good chance of being extremely helpful.

First, you need to understand that inner game comes first. Before you get friends or girls, you need to respect YOURSELF. If you don't respect yourself, you'll get nowhere. I know this because I learned it after months of having no success at making friends or meeting girls. So chill on the friends and girls thing and work on YOU. Now, how do you gain self-respect? That's hard. For me, 50mg of Zoloft per day helped kick start my thinking. Daily affirmations helped. So did enforced positivity - whenever I caught myself thinking negative things about ANYTHING, I reframed them in a positive light.

For instance, I used to think "man I'm ugly and I have a big nose and a funny shaped head". I changed that into "I'm tall, dark, and I've got a great smile". I used to worry "What if someone sees me here in this restaurant alone?" I reframed that as "I'm so confident that I can go eat alone in a restaurant and not care what anyone thinks".

Go through your posts in this thread and reframe all the negativity. I'll start you off.

Before: It really makes my blood boil when I see people my age hanging out in groups or with their families.
After: It's great that those people are having such a good time. I'm glad that I'm able to have a good time alone, it's a trait that not many people have.

Before: I'm not sure if this would be a viable option for me, since being friendless means I would have to go alone, and I don't think women would want to go out with or be approached by a loner, unless he's wearing a Rolex.
After: It might be fun to go to a bar alone. I might meet some cool guys there to hang out with. It takes a ton of confidence to go to a bar alone, and not many people have that. But I do.


Also, work on your body language. Simple things like the EC exercise (make eye contact with a woman, hold eye contact, and smile) become 10x easier if your body language is good. That means stand tall, have an easy smile, don't make fast or furtive motions, etc. You can do research on it. But I tell you, before I fixed my body language I could walk through the mall for an hour and get barely 3 eye contacts from women. Now I can walk through and get 30. I was at a bar with friends the other night and women (10-15 yrs older than me or so...not exactly HB's :) ) were opening ME. Literally all night long women were approaching me. I got propositioned, asked to dance, you name it. It was nuts. No girls approached my friends. I'm not any more good looking. I was just projecting great body language. People LIKE you when you have good body language.

Again, focus on your inner game, including self-respect and confidence, before anything else. If that means moving away from your parents and getting a new job, that's great. If it means staying in your job and living with your parents, but standing tall, that's great too. But I stress that fixing your inner game takes EFFORT. It's not going to happen automatically. And because of that, you're not going to want to do it - I know this from experience. It's a lot easier to bemoan your plight and feel helpless and downtrodden, than it is to realize that you can take responsibility of your life and FIX WHATEVER YOU WANT.


Second, think about what friendship means. It's not magic. It's a give and take relationship. No one will be your friend unless you have something to give. What do you have to give? Are you interesting to talk to? Funny? Do you have good stories? Are you passionate about a hobby or an activity? Can you bull**** about any old thing for hours at a time? You have to have something to give to a friend. Figure out what yours is. This would be a great time to get into some hobbies and activities.

Third, look for friends. You can find them in classes, at volunteer opportunities, playing sports, hanging out, or even at work. A GREAT way to make friends is to organize a group activity. Suck it up and ask your coworkers to hit a bar after work. They're probably not spurning you on purpose, you've just never given them reason to believe that you're interesting or fun. This is exactly what I did - I got a group of my coworkers to come to a bar with me. We had a blast (alcohol helped) and now I'm friends with them.

Lastly, think about girls. You're probably horny as hell. But you need to get your mind off girls until you fix inner game. Else, you'll just fail and fail and fail again and lose confidence. Don't go into this with the goal of meeting women. Go into this with the goal of becoming a HAPPIER PERSON. Women will be a side effect that will happen once you achieve that.

Good luck, and PM me if you have any questions. Again, these are steps I've taken myself, from a starting point that's pretty much exactly the same as yours. So any difficulty you have I can probably talk about with some degree of knowledge.
 

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*bows.... some great advice...

Also feel free to pm or IM me also if you wanna talk about stuff
 

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yes listen to joeblack, i know what your saying i used to feel the same way a long time ago and then a year ago thru my divorce, but then i realized even if im smiling women can read body language, i would put myself in situations where i would talk to women even though i wasnt interested in them just to get the feel of it again. it was fun , now with friends or myself i feel confident and women see that. also what coolrunning said about eye contact, some of my buddies will look at a girl and as soon as she looks back they turn away quickly. then the girl will look at me and i smile and keep looking by the end of the night im introducing her to them . it makes them mad but for some odd reason they just dont see it. they prefer to be the wing man, not the alpha and dont want to be the leader. when they are one on one its better for them but show confidence, keep good eye contact, dont stalk them all night with it but show them that you are not to scared to look away.
 
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