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The Senate just passed (100-0) the Iraq Supplemental Spending Bill. Included in the bill is something called the Real ID Act. It's a license reform that makes drivers license's controlled federally. Basically, it means that we'll all have to carry national ID cards. Does this worry anyone?

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http://www.unrealid.com/what.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/05/10/national/w155857D84.DTL

and here's the bill itself:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HR01268:
 

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That sucks, that means that making a fake ID will be an even bigger federal crime
 

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Your papers please, Comrade!
 

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who cares i'm not a criminal.
 

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Well this actually brings up the issue of who would revoke your license if it happened. What authority would city and county police have over it?
 

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If you're not a criminal, theres nothing to worry about.

Unless they embed secret mind control chips into those cards.
 

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Originally posted by diplomatic_lies
If you're not a criminal, theres nothing to worry about.

Unless they embed secret mind control chips into those cards.
This is the favourite line for those who want to impose control on us all. On the surface it seems a perfectly reasonable arguement, however it is a very powerful technique.

Firstly it points a finger at anyone who wishes to debate the issue, 'They MUST have something to hide' and tries to add a pretext to any reasoned arguement.

Secondly and more sinister. I do believe exactly the same line was used in Germany in the early - mid '30s. At the time the country was a democratic European power with a happy and harmonious society.

Who's to say in 10, 20, 30 yrs time we won't have a government that goes psycho on us.

Thirdly.It's the thin end of the wedge. Do you honestly think it will end there? How do you fancy having one of those ID chips implanted in your head with a GPS tracking? Nice.

Fourthly, what does freedom mean to you? Freedom is a concept that surely encompasses the right to go about ones business with those that it ain't any of theirs to bug out.

And finally, don't fall for the old 'protecting YOUR security line' that's bullshyt. If your country can hire private jets to take people to countries with poor human rights, where they can be tortured to death, then I don't think they are too fussed about the security of John Doe the midwest nobody.

Which brings up the old chesnut of right to bear arms. The whole idea of that was to stop what is the thin end of the wedge with ID cards. I'm sure your liberty is better protected having the right to anonimity than owning a Winchester.
 

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Interesting topic but it'll only lead to a political discussion
 
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