My girlfriend was tricked into doing a perverted, women abuse fetish "indie" film

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Alright, last night was a weird, weird perverted Hollywood-esque experience.

It's a long, juicy read, but I need to get this off my chest. This is probably the first real tl;dr post I've ever done, but holy ****. Again, this is a long read.

I've never carried a weapon on my person before, I'm 6'5 and 250 and no one ever really picks a fight with me - which is fine because I don't go out looking for fights - but last night has changed my mind completely on the subject. I know how to defend myself, but last night I accompanied my girlfriend to shooting an independent film (she's an actress). I knew a little about the film, she was the main character - and she gets beaten up by her ex in a flashback and eventually she gets stabbed to death in the shower. Whatever, I didn't care much at the time.

I showed up and hung out for a bit and mingled with the cast. I didn't know half of these guys and neither did she (which was stupid on her part, I only showed up because they needed extras and I was bored Saturday night, I don't want to think what would've happened if I hadn't) and while all the actors were good guys (they didn't know anyone either) there were some telltale signs that the director was a little odd and so was the crew he brought with him. They were really wirey looking antisocial kids and the director himself was about 5'10 and looked like he could be on To Catch a Predator. He seemed really socially awkward and was the worst director I've ever seen. We were supposed to wrap up at 1am, and we didn't end until 8am.

The actors on the other hand were all good people. We rented out a building on a college campus for the night and were up until 7am shooting. Things started to get weird when there were scenes (that I knew about in advance) where my girlfriend's character gets abused and punched by her ex-boyfriend. Typical dramatic "muh emoshions" trite, so whatever. But as the night went on and the scene got closer, I started to get a really weird feeling about the crew. Something was just off. Of course the story was pretty cut and dry and normal, but they started putting weird emphasis on certain things that didn't need to be there.

I had a feeling things might escalate so throughout the morning hours before the scene I carefully pulled the actors aside one at a time and vocalized my thoughts on the scene and if it was a little weird and if they noticed anything seemed a little weird about the whole thing. They all agreed with me, but said that he was the director and they didn't know what to do (young actors are easily manipulated and conditioned to just follow the director). Multiple times where the director himself came up to me in a friendly way and said "Hey man, we're all finished up here and its getting late, you can go home if you want" to which I told him politely that I didn't mind staying.

So we get to this scene, and the ex-boyfriend of hers in the movie is supposed to hit her (but its shown through a shadow silhouette) and the director told him to just try and connect lightly with the tips of your fingers to make it look real. Warning flags started going off, but I still didn't want to cause a scene and turn everything dramatic, so I stepped in and jokingly said that wouldn't work and that this dude isn't slapping my girlfriend and came up with the idea of having her position her hand in front of her face in the silhouette so he can slap that instead. After like 5 takes of this - which was painful for me to watch, even if I knew she wasn't actually getting hurt - now apparently there's a scene where the ex-boyfriend starts kicking her on the ground, and this is where things get really weird because it goes against the rest of his character (he shows up to try and save her later and was regretful that he snapped and slapped her). We spent a ****ing LONG time on this scene, trying to get it "just right". Like I said earlier, the film itself didn't ever seem anything like this if you read it over - it just seems like a generic lovestory tragedy bull**** film - but when we were shooting it the emphasis was clearly on these more violent and parts that made the women in it very vulnerable and helpless.


I stood up again (and once again, I was the only one because amateur actors are usually not confident enough to go against the director, etc, etc.) and looked to my girlfriend and the ex-boyfriend actor. Neither of them said anything, which I knew the guy probably wouldn't anyway. But my girlfriend is a really strong willed girl that had no problem telling the director earlier that night that she wasn't going to read the lines he wrote (something about calling her ex-boyfriend's unborn fetus a C**t-Dumpling. I'm serious.) and although he argued she put her foot down and he changed it. Going on that logic I assumed that she must be okay with this and thinks it benefits the "integrity" of the scene, and I decided to defer to her on this because its her project and I'm just observing.

I got up begrudgingly and said that the only way we're doing this is if we would need something for him to kick in front of her to absorb the impact, the director wanted the guy actor to just pretend kick her - which I knew would never look convincing and ran the risk of actually kicking her. I found sandbags to use and sat down again to observe the scene.

Then my worst suspicions started coming true. It was extremely.. for lack of a better word.. glorified in a really weird way. Like you know how Quentin Tarintino has a thing for women's feet? It was like that, but much worse. He wanted to get more shots of her lying on the ground looking up at the camera as she was getting abused, and then another shot from behind her looking up at him getting kicked. It was humiliating to see her like that, on the ground in a despondent position while a bunch of weird dudes filming as another actor pretends to kick her repeatedly.

This would go on for about an hour, but about twenty minutes in I stood up and told the guy actor to come talk with me outside. A huge hush fell over the room, and the crew thought I was about to beat the **** out of him. We walked out and I talked with him and asked him if I was just sleep deprieved (my grandmother died earlier this week and I had been traveling across the country on 12 hours of sleep over the past four days) and being overprotective or did this seem off to him. He agreed with me and said it didn't make sense for the character and felt uncomfortable.

We came back in and did two more takes of the scene, with one of them accidentally stepping on her knee (not badly, he just stumbled trying to fake the kick). It was around 6am at this point. The director says that we're finally done shooting and the last thing we need to do is to have my girlfriend do some screams (allegedly for when she gets killed later in the movie) for the sound guy. He said he needed everyone out of the room for the silence and jokingly said that this was the only place we could do it (instead of the other shooting location later this month) where we wouldn't be "arrested". The other actors and I walk out of the room and by this point I had rallied the troops and we were all posted right outside the door and they knew what was up. We could hear her scream a few times normally, and suddenly the screams started to sound less like stabbing screams and had more weird sexual undertones to them. Not like overt sex screams or anything, but like I dunno how to describe it. I would later find out talking to her that after the first two screams she did, he started to "direct" her on how he wanted her to scream. As we all heard this outside the other actors turned to me and I could practically feel my face turning red and my pupils dialating. I'm a nice guy and I rarely get mad, but this was the breaking point. I moved in and burst open the door, telling her that we're wrapping (i.e. leaving).

She looks at me confused, and she can be pretty innocent sometimes and has a tendency to get focused in her work and immerse herself in acting that she really drowns everything else out and didn't really fully realize what the underlying implications of what was going on here. The director tells me we aren't done yet and I reply that we were supposed to wrap up 7 hours ago, that it's 8am, you've exhausted your actors and you're not paying them by the hour, and I'm not a dumbass of what's going on here.

He demands that I get the **** off his set and that I can see my girlfriend after, and I told him I'm taking her and leaving. Two of these lanky crew members (the boom guy and cameraman) come up to me and tell me all macho-like that I need to leave. I told them if either of them laid a finger on me that they'd be ****ing gone and they hesitated. The other two crew members started moving towards me and I knew that if it came to a fight, I could probably take two of these guys (they all weighed like 150, tops), and that I would just have to count on adrenaline to somehow pull this off - and believe me, I had enough of it at that point coursing through my veins. Then I saw one of the guys approaching had a knife in his front pocket, I dunno if he was planning on using it.
 

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...But I love it when a plan comes together. Trusting my gut feeling and my intuition earlier that night paid off in spades as the ex-boyfriend actor, one of the other equipment guys, and the other female lead come up and stand right behind me and say that it's enough and that we're leaving. The director just stands there like a weasel, staying out of it, and I walk up to him and grab my girlfriend and tell him to give the actors their paychecks for the day. He starts fumbling with his words trying to mutter something before being interrupted by me again telling him to give the actors their checks. At that point the crew members dispersed, dropping the tough guy attitude, and started packing up the equipment muttering to themselves how this is bull**** and complaining I was a drama queen.


We got the paychecks and walked out. There were four more days of shooting scheduled, but that dude is **** out of luck now. After getting out of there and getting out of her "acting zone", my girlfriend started to piece it all together in her head and was disgusted. The other female lead remarked that she gave up on acting a few years ago and that this project was to test the waters to see if she really wanted to give acting a second shot and I couldn't help but laugh and apologize at the same time.
Being a director myself I had a little bit of a one-up on them in terms of watching out for shady practices and making sure to do table readings before you accept a script, etc, etc and I asked if he sent them any contracts to sign, and of course he had. No one had signed them except the other female lead, and she said that she had it signed waiting in the break room and was going to give it to him after we wrapped up filming. I told her to go grab the contract and tear it up, and sure enough later I would find out that there was a clause in there that allowed the director financial compensation from anyone who commits and drops out. I thanked the other actors for helping me out back there and I got their numbers, they're pretty good. I might use them later on.

But seriously, what the ****. That's why I wanted to buy a knife in my other thread and was looking for suggestions, I don't have the money for a gun and a concealed carry license.

tl;dr Aspiring/amateur actors should always do the following before committing to anything:

1. Read the script
2. Read the shot list
3. If the shot list is vague, then you need to get clarification
4. Do some research on the director, look at his past work
5. Meet with the director
6. Do a table reading
7. Always have someone you know with you
8. Don't be so immersed in doing a good job and "taking one for the team so we can wrap early" that you don't want to stand your ground and speak out against the director
9. Don't be afraid to walk off a set
10. Look at every damn clause in a contract that you are signing and don't sign it until you have a feel for how the work environment will be.
11. Buy a dog


If there are weird sentences or typos then I apologize, I've gotten such ****ty sleep over the past week. The main question here is now that I've decided to start carrying a weapon, what are some good options? I'd rather go for knives right now, a concealed carry is a little extreme.
 

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To anyone willing... Do not waste your f*cking time reading this!

Massive amount of cr*p, mixed with jealousy and insecurity from the OP.

I just can't believe I wasted my time reading this.
OP, you should be ashamed of yourself!!

For the love of god, DO NOT BUY A KNIFE! You are too jealous to carry weaponary. And, by the way, don't go on a killing spree when your girlfriend realise you are crazy and dump you, because with actions like this, I'm pretty sure it will happen sooner then expected!
 

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Lotus Effect said:
To anyone willing... Do not waste your f*cking time reading this!

Massive amount of cr*p, mixed with jealousy and insecurity from the OP.

I just can't believe I wasted my time reading this.
OP, you should be ashamed of yourself!!

For the love of god, DO NOT BUY A KNIFE! You are too jealous to carry weaponary. And, by the way, don't go on a killing spree when your girlfriend realise you are crazy and dump you, because with actions like this, I'm pretty sure it will happen sooner then expected!

When this started happening initially my first thought was that it was because I was so tired and out of it and I am just naturally protective of the girls I date that I might be overreacting or seeing things differently. This is why I pulled both of the other leads out one at a time and just asked them what they thought about it and if I was blowing things out of proportion or not. When they shared my sentiments, that was an extremely telling sign. The guy who was playing her ex-boyfriend said he didn't even want to do it and told the director passively "I think I only need to kick her once to make my point for this scene" and kept avoiding eye contact with me when he was on camera. Besides, I grew out of the whole having 0 empathy for women phase in college, and when you find the right girl that compliments you so well as a person, you'll know exactly where I was coming from.


As for jealousy and insecurity, lol.


I don't care if she plays a character that kisses another dude in a film, its just a film. I obviously don't show up to those shoots because I don't want to see it, but it doesn't especially bother me. But yeah man, I'm so jealous that some greasy lanky dude is taking a weird amount of satisfaction and intensity in showing my girlfriend getting abused from a POV perspective. Especially when it was so out of context and made no sense to the actual plot and was added in for a different reason. I should totally be doing that, right? Even the actor playing the ex-boyfriend didn't understand why this scene was happening.


All of us kind of got the impression the director had a deep vengeance brewing inside him.

This guy looks like he's never gotten laid, is skinny as fvck, very quiet, and has all of the exact opposite characteristics of someone who is supposed to be commanding a set - a beta male right down to the very core. I think he is into some really twisted **** and extremely bitter towards women, and just wanted to include those scenes as his own little way of trying to get some power over one of them that he never could in real life. All of the leads were also equally perturbed at the kind of direction this was taking.

Then again with the state that SoSuave is in these days and with most of the good users too few and far between, I don't really know why I bothered posting this here. Mods can delete the topic if they wish.
 

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The film industry is one of the sickest, most perverted industries in existence. I have a degree in film production, and I left it soon after I finished my education because of the fact that 99% of the people involved are emotionally arrested in pre-adolescence..

Just look at the stuff they create and market to the basest nature of the public.

I'm not surprised at all at the scenario you witnessed. The only reason it bothered you was that it was YOUR girlfriend. Had it been someone else's gf and you thought the movie had artistic merit had you seen it in a theater, you might well be raving about how great the film was, and how realistic and convincing the scenes you mentioned were.

The entire scene is made up of seriously twisted individuals, and no one should be surprised at anything an actor or actress is asked to do.
 

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Atom Smasher said:
The film industry is one of the sickest, most perverted industries in existence. I have a degree in film production, and I left it soon after I finished my education because of the fact that 99% of the people involved are emotionally arrested in pre-adolescence..

Just look at the stuff they create and market to the basest nature of the public.

I'm not surprised at all at the scenario you witnessed. The only reason it bothered you was that it was YOUR girlfriend. Had it been someone else's gf and you thought the movie had artistic merit had you seen it in a theater, you might well be raving about how great the film was, and how realistic and convincing the scenes you mentioned were.

The entire scene is made up of seriously twisted individuals, and no one should be surprised at anything an actor or actress is asked to do.
Yeah, that's an interesting point. I don't know how I would have acted had I been on the set and it would have been some other random girl there instead. I think I would have still been sufficiently disgusted, but would I have acted the way I did? I think I can honestly say I doubt it.

I still would've thought the movie sucked though, the kicking scene really was unnecessary and out of character for the ex-boyfriend though, even the actor admitted that, considering he really genuinely cares about her and comes back to try and save her later in the film. The silhouette slap and the dialogue after conveyed all it needed to convey for the scene to be effective. The kicking her on the ground was, at least from a consistency point of view, thematically unnecessary and uncomfortably excessive... especially when the dialogue is essentially the ex boyfriend losing his temper and acting out and immediately feeling remorseful.

Total amateur s*** all around.
 

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Brighty said:
As for jealousy and insecurity, lol.
Atom Smasher said:
I'm not surprised at all at the scenario you witnessed. The only reason it bothered you was that it was YOUR girlfriend. Had it been someone else's gf and you thought the movie had artistic merit had you seen it in a theater, you might well be raving about how great the film was, and how realistic and convincing the scenes you mentioned were.
I'm really sorry to inform you man... I know she is your GF and stuff, but stating that you are willing to buy a F*CKING KNIFE and you "Don't know what could have happened" if you were not there are MAJOR SIGNS of Jealousy and Insecurity. MAJOR!

What could have happened you ask? I'll tell you!
They would have recorded the friggin scene in half of the time, because you wouldn't be there stoping them each an every minute to chime in!
That's what would have happened!

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Then again with the state that SoSuave is in these days and with most of the good users too few and far between, I don't really know why I bothered posting this here. Mods can delete the topic if they wish.
I'm deeply sorry for hurting your ego bro. But don't call it a day because you don't like criticism. You may say what you want about the good ol users, but consider that I've read ALL your post to try to help you in your situation, only to find out it was all about you being an insecure man!

Read that amount of sh*t from someone you don't have no idea who the f is with the good intention of reaching out to a fellow mate to find out it was all about jealouosy and try not to get Mad...

...I dare you!
 

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Lotus Effect said:
I'm really sorry to inform you man... I know she is your GF and stuff, but stating that you are willing to buy a F*CKING KNIFE and you "Don't know what could have happened" if you were not there are MAJOR SIGNS of Jealousy and Insecurity. MAJOR!

What could have happened you ask? I'll tell you!
They would have recorded the friggin scene in half of the time, because you wouldn't be there stoping them each an every minute to chime in!
That's what would have happened!


I'm deeply sorry for hurting your ego bro. But don't call it a day because you don't like criticism. You may say what you want about the good ol users, but consider that I've read ALL your post to try to help you in your situation, only to find out it was all about you being an insecure man!

Read that amount of sh*t from someone you don't have no idea who the f is with the good intention of reaching out to a fellow mate to find out it was all about jealouosy and try not to get Mad...

...I dare you!

I meant buying a knife because I've never gotten in this kind of confrontation before where I don't have a weapon on hand and he does. It did kind of give me a wakeup call that maybe having a weapon on me wouldn't be such a terrible idea, because you never know where these things can crop up. I live in Saint Louis, so it probably would be a good investment anyway. As for "not knowing what could have happened if I wasn't there", every safety precaution that they took was one of my suggestion, otherwise no one said anything and they were going to try and just slap her lightly with just the fingertips to make it look real, or kick her close to her chest to make it look real. Young actors are gullible and will do what they're told, they see the director as an authority.

They overshot their wrap time by 7 hours. I had absolutely no interference with any of it. I realize there is a huge disconnect because you were not there and I probably did a bad job of articulating it, but the man was very unorganized. I had nothing to do with the filming. You're speaking on things that you have no idea about, and the blame falls with me on that for not doing a better job at explaining just how inept this guy was at time management. It's unheard of for a call time to go over 7 whole hours and last until 8 in the morning, and its incredibly unprofessional because you get your leads completely worn out and unable to give good performances that sleep deprived.

You make too many assumptions about how this whole shoot went down, and too many assumptions about my character, and as a result you're just flat out wrong and misinformed. And again, I suppose that is my fault for not explaining it well enough and indepth but the message already went on for too long anyway. I apologize on my part. I just had to dumptruck all this information out and get it off my chest.

Oh well. At least this thread brought an interesting perspective courtesy of Atom Smasher.
 

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Another thing to consider is that a director is under immense pressure to get coverage for scenes he might need, even extreme versions which will likely be sent to the cutting room floor. They can't afford to stick to the script and film exactly as written because there always exists the possibility of needing something either more intense or less intense than written. Therefore every eventuality must be covered. The expense of re-shooting on-set is astronomical, and often logistically impossible, so any director worth his salt is going to film several versions of a fight from mild to over-the-top intense so that he has what he needs in the editing room.

Don't get me wrong... I'm sure your gut feeling about this guy was correct. But that's what's so twisted about this industry... I shudder to think what kind of scenes lie on the cutting room floor that were judged too intense for John Q. Public, whose taste for violence and sex is insatiable.
 

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The movie sounds pretty fvcked up but I think you overreacted. No one was going to rape, beat up, maim, torture, or whatever madness you filled your head with about what they might do to your girl. You already had an idea of what was going on before you went. You should've known you were gonna see things you wouldn't like.
 

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Your GF is an actess, I think you overreacted. Your opinions as to the proper motivation of characters, plot twists etc are of no importance, it's not your call to make.

As to carrying a knife? I would advise against it. You get the worst of both worlds with a knife...something that is not as effective at self defense as a pistol, yet still capable of killing (unlike pepper spray or a stungun).
 

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lol, why would anyone carry a weapon at all...you will not be able to use it properly since you'll be scared ****less if you have to use it im sure, i don't care how big or tall you are.
 

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thatfeel said:
lol, why would anyone carry a weapon at all...you will not be able to use it properly since you'll be scared ****less if you have to use it im sure, i don't care how big or tall you are.
Speak for yourself. But you are right that if you are going to carry a weapon you need to practice with it, to create muscle memory.
 

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I think he wants the knife so he can edit the film. ;)
 

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go get yourself a normal girlfriend.
oh, and a good therapist for you. you have problems.
 
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