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MY EX Is In AN Abusive Marriage ANd Wants My Advice. I Need Yours!!

spanky

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To give a little background on the situation...

I dated this woman several years ago for about a year. We got along fine. We never argued but due to some overwhelming drama going on within her family I had to break off our relationship because the drama was affecting our relationship. We remained friends even though sometimes we would find ourselves naked when she came over to visit but we understood that we were no longer in a committed relationship.

Well, we lost touch when I moved out of state three years ago and we have not heard from each other since until now (I didn't return many of her phone calls before I left)... I know.

Last week I found her old address and decided to write her to see how she was doing. She emailed me back saying that she is now married and has a husband who is very abusive, mentally, physically, and emotionally. She was very happy to hear from me and told be that it was ironic that I would contact her right when she was deciding if she should go through with a divorce or not ( considering her past family drama it didn't surprise me that she was still "deciding"). She told me that she plans to call me before the week ends and wanted my input on her situation.

Well, I usually do not stick my nose into any of my friends or family relationships. I believe someone looking outside can never fully understand what is going on inside of a relationship. The person you support will always depict themselves as being the good one and you just can never know the intricate details of a complex relationship to judge it and tell someone what they should do.

On the other hand, abuse is good for no relationships but I hesitate to put myself in a position where it looks like I am the ex boyfriend trying to get someone to leave their husband. But I do want to be a good friend to her especially since I feel kind of guilty for never returning her phone calls or contacting her before I moved out of the state. And we did get along well in the past.

She has sent me a couple of emails and she mentioned that she wished we had stayed together but I realize that she just needs some support right now and need someone to lean on. I know that we all do at some point in our lives.

Well, I just would like some suggestions on how to handle this so I can play around with them and come up with a good plan. Again, I feel uncomfortable giving marital advice to an ex who may still have attractions for me but I do want to be a good friend and make up for ignoring her in the past.

No offense, but I am only seeking advice from DJs mid 20's and above. It is not that anyone younger than this can't give mature advice but we know how some of these young bucks think around here and I am just not in the mood for that right now. So to increase my odds of getting mature sound input, I would like the older DJs to respond only.
 

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Spanky,

I know how you feel I was actually in a very similar situation and all I can say is do not let your emotions run you over. Do not let her get back into your heart. Yes you care about her well-being but make it clear that is all you are interested in. Divorces are tricky situations for everybody involved. Just tell her to follow her heart and you follow your brains! If you see something that you think may be good for her in the long run… Tell her. Expectations kill people. You must wipe them out. Do not get your heart involved again!!!! Louis.
 

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As for the advice. Keep it simple, keep it short. Don't give it to her in a way she can document (last thing you want is her husband reading this sh!t) I'd tell her that she has to make her own decisions, and that if she so chooses she could leave that abusive situation anytime she wants to. Its all up to her. That's it.

This makes it crystal clear that you have no input in her decisions, but that there is a way out for her if she's in a bad sit. She's the one who has to pull the trigger on it.

-jlc stlye
 

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Originally posted by seulaxplaya
didnt read the reply. Just tell her she married the wrong guy if shes an ex. If she gets beat by her hubby you should step in cuz that is just wrong.
Oh, boy. Is this what you were talking about, Spanky?
 

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If you care about this person and she is being abused in her relationship, there is absolutely no place for you to worry about what YOU might look like. You need to do everything you can to help her escape from it. From the outside looking in it often seems like it should be easy for the person being abused to remove themselves from the situation, but it is MUCH harder than it looks. She needs all the help you can give her. Abuse is a serious situation, and "DJ-ing" doesn't come into it. At all.
 

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You guys are clueless, and AFC if you're telling this guy to help her out. LISTEN, you really need to maintain your space from this sit. a girl like that, with all drama and bs galore, last thing you need to do is get yourself directly involved in that soap opera. FACT: it doesn't matter what you do, she's the one who needs to realize for herself that an abusive situation is wrong, that she deserves better, etc. LAST THING she needs is someone riding in like a knight in shining armor to help her from her dreadful life. it will only serve to fvck yours up, and she'll use the strength she gets from you to stay in the sh!tty situation. don't allow yourself to be a tampon! tell her just what i said earlier and you're covered while still letting her know that she's in control of her own blasted destiny and that she can get out any time she's strong enough to HERSELF.

-jlc style
 

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John Juan is so right. Let her know you see the problem and explain to her that it is a problem. Getting abused is a problem… No if’s, and’, or buts’s, getting abused is a problem… Then back off. You can only give your take on the situation… The knight in shining armor is the wrong approach for an ex, or anybody for that matter. Encourage change, do not try to make the change. Louis.
 

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Its her business; stay out of it. Shes a woman if she leaves him, she has the upper hand. Shes stuck in that drama because she chooses to be. If she wanted out she could get out. Don't try to be "captain save a ho." If you get involved I guarantee she will just go right back to the guy and resent the hell out of you. The government spends millions to protect battered women, they spend $0.00 protecting battered men.

Women abuse men way more than men abuse women. The only difference is that guys get laughed at for reporting abusive women. How many guys have gotten there ass kicked by a woman, or at least punched, kicked, slapped, etc? I won't lie I've gotten my a$$ kicked by several 120 pound women. When a woman knows 100% that you wont jit her back she is waaay more likely to hit you.

When women hit men it goes unnoticed, we let it slide, when men do the exact same thing its abuse. You don't know what that chick did first, Ive seen women punch hit slap and kick guys dozens of times before the guy finally reacts. When he hits her back once after getting punched or slapped several times he goes to jail and is considered the aggressor or abuser.

This chick is crazy and wants to pull your chain. Im not condoning abuse on women, but she probably digs the abuse in some peverse way. I would honestly doubt that the abuse is even taking place in the first place and if it is she is probably just as much to blame as he is.
 

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These must be the same people who think that rape victims were "asking for it." Disgusting.
 

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Originally posted by John Juan
As for the advice. Keep it simple, keep it short. Don't give it to her in a way she can document (last thing you want is her husband reading this sh!t) I'd tell her that she has to make her own decisions, and that if she so chooses she could leave that abusive situation anytime she wants to. Its all up to her. That's it.

This makes it crystal clear that you have no input in her decisions, but that there is a way out for her if she's in a bad sit. She's the one who has to pull the trigger on it.

-jlc stlye
I agree with John Juan.
 

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First of all, don't feel guilty. Unless you belong to the Psychic Network, there is NO WAY you could have known this was going to happen to her. It's NOT your fault!

Secondly, I spent 3 years where she is. I was with a guy who would tell me he loved me with tears running down his face, while I was holding an ice pack on the fist shaped buise on my cheek. His line about "I love you, I'll quit hitting, I'll quit drinking, I'll quit the drugs, just please don't leave me, I'll die with out you." got a old and I called the cops to throw his pitiful a$$ out.

Till SHE decides to leave, you cannot help her. Battered Wife Syndrom is very similar to the Stokholm Syndrome & Prison Camp Syndrome. It's just your mind's way of surviving terror & trama. When she does decide to leave, is when she needs support. She will need your encouragement and to be non-judgemental.

Listen very, very carefully: Support does not mean relationship! Support does not mean sex! Support does not mean her living with you! Support means being an AFC with her. Let me explain why~

1. She is very emotionally fragile. She will latch on to the first kind person because she is devistated, desperate and needs tons of TLC. This you can supply with encouragement, some of those Hallmark "how ya doin" card. Make sure you sign them YOUR FRIEND!!!!! NEVER, NEVER, NEVER sign them LOVE! Use thenice fluffy kitties and such. NOTHING ROMANTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2. In her mind, MEN ARE THE ENEMY. She's going to go from "prey" to "predator" in a horrifying way. She's going to be LOOKING to hurt some guy. The more confident, cool & ****y he is the better. Because that's what attracted her to her present jerk. (In her mind: "How dare they be so confident! I know you're an abusive pig too.") She going to be cutting some guts out, as long as you're a sweet, non sexual, NON-AGRESSIVE pal, you'll avoid the blade.

3. She will have MAJOR trust issues. She will need some therapy to learn that all guys aren't lying, scheming pigs who get their kicks by stomping bunnys and beating up women. This you should encourage her to do.

I'm glad she's got you to give a damn about her welfare. If she's talking about it, that's a very good sign. Most women are so embarrased by the situation they never say a word. Be her friend...DO NOT be her BF. I wish you the best of luck!
 

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Originally posted by WaterTiger
First of all, don't feel guilty. Unless you belong to the Psychic Network, there is NO WAY you could have known this was going to happen to her. It's NOT your fault!

Secondly, I spent 3 years where she is. I was with a guy who would tell me he loved me with tears running down his face, while I was holding an ice pack on the fist shaped buise on my cheek. His line about "I love you, I'll quit hitting, I'll quit drinking, I'll quit the drugs, just please don't leave me, I'll die with out you." got a old and I called the cops to throw his pitiful a$$ out.

Till SHE decides to leave, you cannot help her. Battered Wife Syndrom is very similar to the Stokholm Syndrome & Prison Camp Syndrome. It's just your mind's way of surviving terror & trama. When she does decide to leave, is when she needs support. She will need your encouragement and to be non-judgemental.

Listen very, very carefully: Support does not mean relationship! Support does not mean sex! Support does not mean her living with you! Support means being an AFC with her. Let me explain why~

1. She is very emotionally fragile. She will latch on to the first kind person because she is devistated, desperate and needs tons of TLC. This you can supply with encouragement, some of those Hallmark "how ya doin" card. Make sure you sign them YOUR FRIEND!!!!! NEVER, NEVER, NEVER sign them LOVE! Use thenice fluffy kitties and such. NOTHING ROMANTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2. In her mind, MEN ARE THE ENEMY. She's going to go from "prey" to "predator" in a horrifying way. She's going to be LOOKING to hurt some guy. The more confident, cool & ****y he is the better. Because that's what attracted her to her present jerk. (In her mind: "How dare they be so confident! I know you're an abusive pig too.") She going to be cutting some guts out, as long as you're a sweet, non sexual, NON-AGRESSIVE pal, you'll avoid the blade.

3. She will have MAJOR trust issues. She will need some therapy to learn that all guys aren't lying, scheming pigs who get their kicks by stomping bunnys and beating up women. This you should encourage her to do.

I'm glad she's got you to give a damn about her welfare. If she's talking about it, that's a very good sign. Most women are so embarrased by the situation they never say a word. Be her friend...DO NOT be her BF. I wish you the best of luck!
Now this is Golden. And you can trust a woman who like the three stooges. Not to mention, she has personal experience.

I completely agree, WaterTiger and oh, you are not alone. My female cousin loves the stooges but you two are the only women.
 

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Thanks, everyone, for your help! I got some really good responses with great substance. I really appreciate them.
 

Desire me

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look I have been in your situation dog, and Its better to mind yoru own business because she will leave him when she is ready. most females in situations like those like being in them and only act that way because its another way to get attention.

K.I.P
Desire Me
 

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Originally posted by Desire me
look I have been in your situation dog, and Its better to mind yoru own business because she will leave him when she is ready. most females in situations like those like being in them and only act that way because its another way to get attention.

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These situations are usually very complicated. I was always concerned that she would end up in a marriage like this since she grew up witnessing the same thing with her parents. Her younger brother grew witnessing this also. I would be surprised but relieved if she tells me he isn't violent with his partner. He is should be a grown man now.

In Psychiatry, they call it "learned behavior" with each each gender usually growing up in learning to take on the role of the gender they identify with and witness the behavior from. In other words, if the girl witness the mother battering the husband, she will learn to be the batterer.
 

Desire me

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but dog its not your problem **** you'll get out of it when she wants to, been there, done that.

worry about yourself and your fam
 

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If a woman is asking advice about divorce, it is my opinion that the proper response is always -- Yes.

Anyone who is harboring the idea of divorce is probably not in a suitable relationship.

That there is physical abuse only seals the deal.
 
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