My Dad the married DJ

Technical1

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My Dad is a pretty cool guy, he's my hero honestly and alot of people look up to him. He is the kind of guy that is pretty magnetic, has people (especially women) approaching him in supermarkets just to chit-chat, and you always hear "everybody likes ___". He literally seems to make friends with everyone he meets, even some shady people, so we make fun of him for it. "Oh look, another friend for dad." "Oh look, dad just made a friend." His ability to make friends with random strangers is legendary.

Anyway, he totally has my mom under his thumb and has had for 24 years since they married. She loves him. They do stuff together like workout, go to concerts and comedy clubs, meet at restaurants. We had a lot of love growing up and as I think most people will aspire for the kind of marriage my parents had, I just want to put a few things out there, telling how my dad handles himself with my mom. You'll recognize alot of the DJ principles, even though my father never taught me these principles explicitly, apparently he developed them on his own.

1. He is really focused on his hobbies:
My dad loves fishing and tennis. During the week he always has something to do. This keeps him out of the house two nights a week, keeps him refreshed and in OK shape. (Actually he has a beer belly nowadays). He gets energy from outside the house and brings it back into the house, so to speak.

2. Doesn't let anyone control his comings and goings:
This I think is the key to his power. He literally just does what he wants. When he wants to go fishing, he goes. If my mom protests, unless he thinks its for some serious reason, he goes anyway. He usually calls to let people know what he's doing, but I dont think he ALWAYS calls. Sometimes he just goes. (In the early years, before cell phones, I think he literally just went). You can tell him he's not going fishing, but unless you have a serious reason, he is going fishing. If he wants to stay out late with friends, he does. Every couple of weeks, he does this. He does not phone to say when he'll be back, unless he wont be back that evening. I think not letting the woman control your comings and goings is one of the biggest single relationship things to keep in mind.

3. Has social proof:
My mom kind of loves and hates this. When she takes him to a girl-party with her friends, they all love him. Some of them talk about how charming he is, etc. This gives my dad big leverage because women are so social. We all know that it would be extremely easy for him to find another woman.

4. Doesn't share decision making power equally:
This is probably controversial, I don't know if this is just their dynamic or if its a good general dynamic. He only lets mom have 1/3 of the decision making power, even in major decisions effecting finances and the house, etc. If she says she doesnt like something, sometimes he will literally just do it anyway. It boggles my mind. He will completely ignore her and just do it. I know because I have become involved in their fights (they fight, in the old days it was every two months or so). My dad literally does not let her have the decision making power. This is why I always think of him as the "soft tyrant".

5. Doesn't identify with her:
It took Rollo Tomassi to articulate this principle, and when I read it I recognized immediately what he meant. My dad will listen to all my moms problems, give some perspective on it, reassure her a bit, and then say, "Hey, lets go play tennis!", or "Hey, let's go on a bike ride." He doesn't worry about her problems and when they sit down he is as free as a bird. She uses him as a source of happiness because she is too much of a neurotic, perfectionist, self-critical soul to really generate much stable happiness on her own. Usually she is often worn out and frustrated with her work, and my dad refreshes her because he is into his own thing and she just picks up on it.

I always wondered why my dad didn't close this gap, why my dad maintained this distance. Why he didn't step nearer to my mom and become "one" with her and thus lose his identity. Why he didnt sit around with her eating ice cream in his pyjamas and watching television. Well, now I know what lies down that path.

So in return for all this, she buys him presents, is kind to him, does things with him, keeps her weight under control for him, and lets him do his hobbies whenever he wants. Plus as kids we had the ultimate loving home atmosphere where we played games together and it was pretty fricking awesome by any standard.

I just wanted to share this, a character study of a natural DJ.
 

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QUESTION: In all healthy LTR's, especially marriage, is fighting a healthy component? You mentioned that your parents fight about once every 2 months but that your mom always caves in.

This is bible worthy btw...
 

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mb121 said:
QUESTION: In all healthy LTR's, especially marriage, is fighting a healthy component? You mentioned that your parents fight about once every 2 months but that your mom always caves in.
I'm not sure if fighting is a healthy component of a marriage. One relationship guru I listened to said you need 1 negative interaction for every 7 positive ones. Just to maintain that you actually are different people and have seperate identities.

My mom is pretty neurotic, FWIW. She'd actually be fighting with any man she was together with, I'm pretty sure. I actually enjoyed most of our fights because it got the blood going and we all knew we were cool the next day anyway. Some of the fights were actually pretty cool, it kept things from getting sleepy, at least from my point of view. Plus everybody makes up two days later and then we go eat ice cream and you feel like "this is whats great about family."
 

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Yea I think, every now and then a fight is ok. It helps to strengthen the relationship between them. If they fight, each one is investing a certain amount of energy. Which is a good sign

On the other hand, if one just goes, "oh... whatever," then that means that he/she doesn't care. That should be a red flag.

I hope that makes a little sense.
 

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Yeah a fight every now and then is probably a normal thing.

The way it sounds with your parents though Technical its probably more a part of their ritual of being together than an actual fight these days even if it sounds like a real fight lol.

My friend claims his parents never argue or fight and since he is the most honest person I've ever known I believe him.

I've also met both of his parents and they are both very polite and kind.

His father is a good easy going guy and not in a symp or AFC way and his mother is a sweet interesting woman and they just get along well and compliment eachother with having such good traits I guess.

Just thought I'd post this example to let Sosuavers know that a marriage devoid of any conflict is indeed possible.
 

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KontrollerX said:
Just thought I'd post this example to let Sosuavers know that a marriage devoid of any conflict is indeed possible.
It's absolutely possible to have a fight free relationship. We all have differences of opinion and different perspectives, which are critical and should be cherished.

Fighting solves nothing and is the root causality for discontent and second guessing.
 

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You sound lucky to have a dad like him. What you doin on these forums then? :p
 

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SinJester said:
You sound lucky to have a dad like him. What you doin on these forums then? :p
My dad didnt actually teach me this stuff. My mom taught me the "give the woman everything she wants and it will work out in the end" mentality and I became an AFC.
 

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You need to introduce your dad to this community. I'm sure he'd have some good advice to give.

My dad is like yours too as far as finances are concerned. He doesn't let anyone, even my mom, tell him what to do with his money that he has rightfully and painstakingly earned. Even if it turns out to be a bad decision, he doesn't sulk in a corner about it. Plus, he makes sure my mom doesn't go out and spend it on stupid, useless stuff. Feminists and AFCs will take this to be a controlling, dominating attitude.

There was a reason why kings and emperors didn't consult their queens for financial/military advice. That holds true to this day, unless she is a proven expert in the financial field.
 

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Good post! I really think that our dad's are mostly Alpha by nature because of the way the grew up. My dad is like what you describe. Growing up he didnt had much but work at the farm of his dad. He isn't concerning not important things and doesn't like "fluff talk", so when my mom is gossiping or something he will tell her he doesn't like the fluff talk. To bad he didnt teach me more so I wouldnt have to be on this site!

When me and my brother are talking women during dinner time, he always laughs and says: "you guys think to much about it, you just have to do it"..

Also I always remember the one liner he once told me: "Always take care of your own balls". Offcourse that meaning dont be depening on no one.
 

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Treetz said:
When me and my brother are talking women during dinner time, he always laughs and says: "you guys think to much about it, you just have to do it"..
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Thats the problem with naturals, they have no idea how to convey intellectually what they mean when they give advice. My dad would also say this simplified stuff about women. Now, he's right, its actually that simple IMO, but if you come at it from an over-intellectualized AFC angle, you need to be de-AFCed with intellectual arguments based on experience, before you can grasp how simple all this sh1t is. Its like getting out of a fvcking labrynth. Thank god for SoSuave!!
 

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Technical1 said:
5. Doesn't identify with her:
It took Rollo Tomassi to articulate this principle, and when I read it I recognized immediately what he meant. My dad will listen to all my moms problems, give some perspective on it, reassure her a bit, and then say, "Hey, lets go play tennis!", or "Hey, let's go on a bike ride." He doesn't worry about her problems and when they sit down he is as free as a bird. She uses him as a source of happiness because she is too much of a neurotic, perfectionist, self-critical soul to really generate much stable happiness on her own. Usually she is often worn out and frustrated with her work, and my dad refreshes her because he is into his own thing and she just picks up on it.

I always wondered why my dad didn't close this gap, why my dad maintained this distance. Why he didn't step nearer to my mom and become "one" with her and thus lose his identity. Why he didnt sit around with her eating ice cream in his pyjamas and watching television. Well, now I know what lies down that path.

So in return for all this, she buys him presents, is kind to him, does things with him, keeps her weight under control for him, and lets him do his hobbies whenever he wants. Plus as kids we had the ultimate loving home atmosphere where we played games together and it was pretty fricking awesome by any standard.
Wow...that's some pretty powerful stuff right there...do you have a link to Rollo's thread where he points that out?
 

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This actually sums up my dad. He also encourages me to spin plates, just the other day he tried to set me up with a friend of my cousin w/o me knowing what he was doing at first.
 

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I love this post.
 

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My dad has certain strong alpha male patriarch traits, he is not perfect though as he has other shortcomings.
 
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