my #-calling strategy so much different than what other DJ books say

[mackdaddy27]

just wanted to kinda have you guys validate my new theory....


all the pick up books say ...when you call up numbers...just keep it short and simple...ask how you doing ..for a few minutes and set up a date..
I have found out this Doesn't work for me. The last two times I tried this, i got either hung up on or flaked on.

i've never been able to just call up , chat for few minutes and get a date so quickly...

What DOES WORK FOR ME is this:... when I call up a number , I talk to her for a good 20 minutes or 30 minutes.. until she has to go at which point I tell her I try to find out her schedule to have drinks or something....and if she doesn't commit right then...I'll say i m really busy that day, find out the best day to call her again and call here again ...and call her again in a few days...and eventually set up a date..

see the difference from what works for me and other literature is this, I feel that just asking for a number so quickly doesn't work because you still haven't build enough comfort. what is different is that following

I Dont burn bridges.. If she can't commit, just tell her i m busy too and tell her i m going to call her next weekend.. and when i call her next weekend I chat again for at least 20 - 30 minutes. I find that every time we talk the interest builds ...even though we still haven't met in person ( again ) ...


My theory is to SLOW things down and take it slower, so she doesn't feel like shes going to get ****ed or get used if your going too fast. Yes it could take 7 hours of comfort building and talking to her to win, but you have to keep the balls moving and at same time your being persistent.


now if she blatantly hangs up ..then its over period. you want to avoid dead end situations with being too aggressive and forward..the smarter way is to win her over emotionally by talking to her a bit and once you've established some comfort we can arrange to met and then fuk.
usually what happens is I talk to her for 20-30 minutes and eventually its her who brings about setting up a meeting...but I find that if you ask first, she feels like your being a lit predatorial and might try to dust you off. I guess you have to kinda win her comfort first, and then you meet her , seduce her etc.

I guess the difference when i get a number is,1) I Talk On the Phone as much as she'll let me. so she knows i m not a creepy but a high value male. 2) you have to very smart, in trying to setup a date bc if she can't do it you stil have a reason to call her up next week again other you loose value so you test waters on her schedule if shes busy , tell her your busy and call next week 3) NEVEr burn bridges to the point where she hangs up on you or flakes on you..be persistent for 1 -4 phone calls, keep calling her until after 4 or 5 times its just not going to happen. 5) TRY not to go straight for lets get together and met , try to build her comfort way before that


What do you guys think, why is my strategy so much different than what other DJ books say?

 

[mackdaddy27]

so anyone?

comfort building over the phone before 1st date, ....


do you see any downsides to it ? Anyone think I dont need to do it..?

And why does it work for me, and why does the DJ -way not work for me

 

[Obsidian]

sounds like a ridiculous idea to me. For one, I just plain hate phone conversations. And two, if she didn't start to like me from our first impression enough to accept a simple date proposal (such as coffee), then I'd rather find someone a little more interested anyway.

20-30 minutes of talking on the phone to a near-stranger is absurd. Don't you have anything better to do with your time than chat with a female? And it's also ridiculous to make her end the conversation instead of doing it first yourself. KEEP CHARGE of the interaction.

 

[mackdaddy27]

thanks obidian will consider your viewpoint,... although it sounds good i dont know how realistic is it to actually do..

anyone else ...any other opinions?


Thanks.

 

[just so suave]

20-30 minutes sounds more like how long she speaks to her girlfriends for. Have you actually fvcked any of the girls you've dated using this method? Theres no reason for you to lie about this either, as you'll only be kidding yourself.

A 20-30 minute phone call is not going to come cheap either, i know i couldn't afford this for each girl i call.

If it really does work for you though, I don't see why you shouldn't continue using this method.

 

[MacAvoy]

The rule about only using the phone to set up dates doesn't mean that ITS the ONLY way to be succesful. Its just the easiest/least time consuming way. Suppose your dating 4 different women, thats alot of phone calls.

You have to remember even AFC's get laid, so their tactics will work, however a DJ's lifestyle will produce more successful long term results. The choice is yours.

 

[mackdaddy27]

20-30 minutes sounds more like how long she speaks to her girlfriends for. Have you actually fvcked any of the girls you've dated using this method? Theres no reason for you to lie about this either, as you'll only be kidding yourself.

A 20-30 minute phone call is not going to come cheap either, i know i couldn't afford this for each girl i call.
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no i haven't fuk any girls , i m just starting out. i meant that i'm getting somewhere from doing it this way..but i think you guys might be right on this..lets see i have 2 other girls to call tonight

 

[selfmademob]

Mackdaddy keep doing what ur doing, remember, being a DJ is not about following methods, it is about adapting and improvising and finding out what works best for you.

 

[Hector]

hold up now, some of these ideas are good; but honestly there is no golden book of picking up women, but "selfmademob" you made a good point its really about improvise,adapt,and overcome. Each woman is different; each has their own pattern or way of life find that pattern and excute.

 

[Poonani Maker]

I like it, mackdaddy. I mean, it shows aloofness, which is what you need. It can go either way, but so can a short-term phone call go either way. I think you're on to something with the comfort-building thing.

 

[Obsidian]

Mackdaddy keep doing what ur doing, remember, being a DJ is not about following methods, it is about adapting and improvising and finding out what works best for you.

Being a DJ is not about following methods, correct. It is about being a man. And a MAN would not waste a half hour of his life chatting over inane topics with some girl who he can't even touch or see because she's miles away. I really don't see what benefit you could get from this strategy.

I'm no expert with girls, but I have never (as far as I can remember) had a girl decline my date invitation when I called her for the first time. And I never talked for more than a few minutes. Granted, most of my approaches aren't real cold; I usually pick up girls from clubs and social circles. But they definitely aren't girls that I'm real familiar with either. Talking over the phone for any significant amount of time is simply not a requirement for gaining rapport.

 

[DonGorgon]

Going slow is hard in a big city where women are meeting 10 new men a day and have 10 men at work and at school actively pursuing them....LOL