Mrartial Arts

[Caesar20]

I am in the process of deciding which MA i'd take.
The options are kickboxing and jui-jitsu.

I like JJ because it has many defensive elements, but KB offers more intensive trainings.


The main purpose of taking the course is in improving self-confidence.

 

[Gonzalo]

They're both good. Are you thinking about Brazilian (Gracie) Jiujitsu? I'd say take the self defense thing with a grain of salt when it comes to takeing the opponent down and doing locks, etc. I've met people who went down with someone in a fight and the other guy's friends went and kicked his ass while on the floor. Just a thought. G

 

[Soshyopathe]

What styles of kick-boxing or jiu jitsu. There are hundreds of styles of jiu-jitsu. Hykoryu Jiujitsu? Shodokan Jiu-Jitsu? Muay Thai kickboxing, or some western-style jackass teaching a class.

My guess is it's Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and western kickboxing. Those two arts are VERY different. It will take a long time and much practice to use any jiu-jitsu effectively (it's based very much on skill, not physical ability.) Whereas kickboxing (if done right) will get you in great shape and make you pseudo-dangerous in a shorter period of time.

But I'm sure your options are wider than that. Don't just look in your phone book for martial arts, those will often be the crappiest schools. Ask around, see if anyone knows of any underground classes going on.

 

[Krassus]

I'm gonna start studying Brazilian (Gracie) Jiu-Jitsu in the fall. Why? Simply because judging from MMA competitions, it's the single most effective style in the world. Some BJJ places will also teach you some Thai Kickboxing to make you a more well-rounded fighter, which is always a good thing.

 

[Soshyopathe]

It's effective in MMA, which means 1v1, unarmed, flat ground, with boundaries. Where BJJ fails is when there is more than one opponent (often the case in real life.)

The main purpose in studying the martial arts should be freedom.

 

[Krassus]

Originally posted by Soshyopathe
It's effective in MMA, which means 1v1, unarmed, flat ground, with boundaries. Where BJJ fails is when there is more than one opponent (often the case in real life.)

The main purpose in studying the martial arts should be freedom.

Yeah, if you look at it that way, things are different. But as far as i'm concerned, no matter what martial art you practice, you're not gonna walk away from 3-4 guys.

 

[Lt dan]

im gonna start taking wing chun. i think its cross trained with some shoalin king fu ( or wing chun is part of shoalin king fu im not sure) i went and watched a class tonight and it looked pretty good.

 

[Marcageani]

I train in Shotokan karate which is very deadly and straight forward. Really almost any Martial arts style is going to be very good to learn if you are training with someone who knows what they are doing. There are a lot of phonies out there who think they are great but are not, so be careful! I have been to tournaments and seen guys who consider themselves masters, lol, and they are absolutely horrible!

 

[KmZDon]

Originally posted by Krassus
Yeah, if you look at it that way, things are different. But as far as i'm concerned, no matter what martial art you practice, you're not gonna walk away from 3-4 guys.

I'm not very good with ma ; I just want to know / ponder---

Bruce Lee can't walk away from 3-4 guys? Look at his incomparable speed...

What about intense practice in boxing? One hard punch, one guy down, the next, one less. I don't see what's the obstacle.

 

[WORKEROUTER]

Originally posted by Caesar20
I am in the process of deciding which MA i'd take.
The options are kickboxing and jui-jitsu.

I like JJ because it has many defensive elements, but KB offers more intensive trainings.


The main purpose of taking the course is in improving self-confidence.

Caesar, take kickboxing.

 

[Caesar20]

I have modified my location header just a little bit to avoid any micconceptions about where slovenia is (in the general point of view).


The kickboxing style is WAKO, I am not quite sure about ju-jitsu, but it's the JJIF (ju-jitsu international federation)/ JJEU (ju-jitsu european union) - afaik it uses sankukai karate as the striking technique.

 

[Knockout King]

Originally posted by KmZDon
I'm not very good with ma ; I just want to know / ponder---

Bruce Lee can't walk away from 3-4 guys? Look at his incomparable speed...

What about intense practice in boxing? One hard punch, one guy down, the next, one less. I don't see what's the obstacle.

First of all, no, bruce lee couldn't walk away from 3 or 4 skilled opponents, and second, he trained for hours on end day after day.

3 or 4 ordinary men? Lee might be able to do that

The obstacle? Have you ever seen a boxing match? Do you know how hard it is to land a knockout punch? Even an amateur can prevent being knocked out by the first punch, and failing to knock him out with one punch is all the time the other guys need to pounce on you, unless they have some kind of code of honor where they wait for you to knock one of them out and then one more comes at you.

And ceaser, what kind of kickboxing gym is this? Most of my friends say that kickboxing is for pussies and while that isn't true, I can see where they get that idea. In America and Europe, when you say kickboxing, nobody thinks about Benny Urquidez or Peter Aerts. They think about Tae Bo and women trying to lose weight in fitness spas. The question is, do they train you to fight as a competitive kickboxer? If so, then take it. If not, then there's a good chance that it's glorified aerobics rather than real kickboxing.

And as for the jujitsu one, there are 2 different types of jujitsu. The first is realistic grappling, you can tell by looking if it's concrete and if the movements are practical. The second is bull**** pressure point fighting. Needless to say, the second kind is very, very weak and useless.

If self confidence is the issue, then kickboxing is probably the one for you.

 

[LilJuan]

Muay Thai(sp) kickboxing and brazlian jiu jitzsu(sp) are two of the baddest MA in my opinion. Karate and Takwando(sp) are usless in my opionon. They are arts, but not useful in fighting. Put a grappler with a kung fu guy and the kung fu guy will get his ass handed to him everytime.

Muay Thai uses jabs, hooks, uppercuts, and a bad ass kick, its all mid-close range. You kick with you shins, the kick is short and extremely powerful. You ever see a kung fu guy try and do a rounhouse or some crazy kick, it takes forever. Kickboxing you are in and out quick.

Jui Jitzsu is also very bad ass. Look into the Gracey's in Brazil. My instuctor trained with them for a while in Brazil. It consists of arm locks, arm bars, chokes, ankle locks, basically submissions. All close combat very effective.

The thing is to have a good arsenal so to speak. All fights start standing up, almost all fights start on the floor. How many fights have you seen where the guys ended up on the ground rolling around. I am not talking about pressure points or grabbing someone's hand out of the air stuff. That stuff is extremely tough to do especially when your adrenaline gets going, the first thing to go is your fine motor skills.

Thing is, when most people(except wrestlers)get on the ground they panic. And the thing about jui jitzsu unlike wrestling being on your back isn't a bad thing. Most wrestlers freak when they are put on their back because they have been trained to.

Both styles are very effective and can hurt someone extremely bad. The good thing is that it teaches you control and that you can subdue someone without having to hurt them. There are holds/locks that hurts so bad they will make you cry and beg for submission, but after its let go, they are fine within a few minutes. Now if you finish the hold/lock and hyperextend an arm or leg, that takes a long time to heal.

Just my .02

 

[MattB]

Originally posted by LilJuan
Muay Thai(sp) kickboxing and brazlian jiu jitzsu(sp) are two of the baddest MA in my opinion. Karate and Takwando(sp) are usless in my opionon. They are arts, but not useful in fighting. Put a grappler with a kung fu guy and the kung fu guy will get his ass handed to him everytime.

Muay Thai uses jabs, hooks, uppercuts, and a bad ass kick, its all mid-close range. You kick with you shins, the kick is short and extremely powerful. You ever see a kung fu guy try and do a rounhouse or some crazy kick, it takes forever. Kickboxing you are in and out quick.

Jui Jitzsu is also very bad ass. Look into the Gracey's in Brazil. My instuctor trained with them for a while in Brazil. It consists of arm locks, arm bars, chokes, ankle locks, basically submissions. All close combat very effective.

The thing is to have a good arsenal so to speak. All fights start standing up, almost all fights start on the floor. How many fights have you seen where the guys ended up on the ground rolling around. I am not talking about pressure points or grabbing someone's hand out of the air stuff. That stuff is extremely tough to do especially when your adrenaline gets going, the first thing to go is your fine motor skills.

Thing is, when most people(except wrestlers)get on the ground they panic. And the thing about jui jitzsu unlike wrestling being on your back isn't a bad thing. Most wrestlers freak when they are put on their back because they have been trained to.

Both styles are very effective and can hurt someone extremely bad. The good thing is that it teaches you control and that you can subdue someone without having to hurt them. There are holds/locks that hurts so bad they will make you cry and beg for submission, but after its let go, they are fine within a few minutes. Now if you finish the hold/lock and hyperextend an arm or leg, that takes a long time to heal.

Just my .02

very informative

a question though
how do i tell if my instructor is qualified and competent? I am tkaing hkd right (havent been going to class for awhile though) but i am planning to switch to jujistu
however i dont wanna learn from some crappy instructor

 

[Caesar20]

you ask him if he has any proof or a diploma about his skills?
you can also get a lot about him (if he's good) on the internet.

 

[Soshyopathe]

Marcageani, I respect your style. Shotokan is about the only respectable TKD style in the US. My sensei trained in that style.

Yes, Bruce Lee could have taken 3-4 guys. But remember, there is more than one way to take out 4 people, or ten people. You can always run, and because no 2 people run at the same speed, their group will turn into a line if they all chase you. Take out the fastest guy, and start from there.

MattB, you'll know if your instructor is hardcore. Just spend some time with him. If he seems like a puss, or if the training doesn't make you want to die, then he's not hardcore. Also, look at his brown/black belts. Could you take them? If so, then it's a puss-school.

 

[Rahul]

It looks like you're pretty much set on what you want to do, but if you ever look into Kung Fu I would recommend Shoalin Tsu or the Mo system because it incorporates all aspects of kung fu and the more specialized formed (Wing Chun, Hung Gar, etc...) came originally from Shoalin Tsu.

 

[LilJuan]

Originally posted by Soshyopathe
MarcageaniIf he seems like a puss, or if the training doesn't make you want to die, then he's not hardcore. Also, look at his brown/black belts. Could you take them? If so, then it's a puss-school.

There were many of times I wanted to stop and go home cause it hurt so damn bad. Ask your instructor who he has trained under, ask around, is there any hook and shoot fights in your town. Those are good to check out and see who's fighting, their style and who they learned it from.

 

[Cremasta]

Do you want to build your self-confidence through improving your fitness, or being able to walk down the street at night knowing (thinking) you can kick the **** out of most people if you need to?

So far I have tried a few arts: Judo, Taekwondo (not the Olympic **** - the military style) and I am doing Choylifut Kungfu right now which I enjoy - we don't learn any 'tricks' for when people in conversations at parties ask you to "show me something", it is about being fast, aggressive and hurting the other person very, very badly - almost 180 degrees from Aikido.
To say that one style can beat another style in a fight is pretty dumb, it entirely depends on the person themselves and how much work they put into it. All martial arts are about learning to fight and they all have their strengths and weaknesses.
If you want to learn to fight quickly - go straight to Muay Thai or kickboxing.
Look at your body shape, if you are tall and lean, kickboxing and some of the meaner karate's like Kyokushin might suit you. If you are short and stocky, have a look at Brazilian JJ or WingChun.
I find the best way to see if an instructor is good, is to obviously go talk to them, also spend a class or two just watching. Don't worry about his own skills (he may have long-term injuries, or he could be 60 years old), but look at his students, if they are highly skilled and work hard then you are probably onto a good thing.

Read magazines on martial arts, educate yourself, you could even take one look at Capoeira and decides thats the one for you.

 

[Caesar20]

reasons

the main reason is to gain strength, speed, endurance, ... (something I've never had) as I am 20 yrs and ~60 kg at 180cm.

My interes is not in fighting but achieving those virtues through intense training in the first place.
through tough exercises (and fittn.) i'd like to gain the first but of confidence that would help me in improving myself through time - w/ that i mean esp. my convo skills and guts to talk to someone on the street/ girls/ to face those shytheads (read just below this) with confidence etc.

the fighting part is secondary, but can be useful sometimes
other people - especially wannabe-baddasses if you know what i mean - my age or -3/ +5 age often laugh at me, push me around and even fight with me - beat the cr*a out of me and shyt (or used to, as they don't do that anymore so often, as i rarely see them due to my college).
also the local girls sometimes make fun out of me

I have a reputation in the general public (again my age or close to) for being unsecure, that i don't have any muscle, that my conv skills are rusty, that I am a general dork/ nerd/ etc.


i am already doing some fitness so i've decided, that MA will have to wait for a while (done taekwondo ITF for cca 1.5 yr but gave up as it didn't get any muscular or confidence results -- i vaguely knew the diff between anaerobic and aerobic exercise back then + some pretty talk from the coach (like tkd is the cure for everything ....) + my almost amazing unconfidence and insecurity ).


so, conclusion
my current plans are to continue to work out in a gym until i get about 10 kg up (dec/ jan?) and then start w/ a martial art.

what, i've no idea, kickbox, muay thai, karate (in my country there are only Shotokan, Sankukai and Okinawan which are not by far so intense as i'd like them to be - atleats that's what i was told on other forums/ friends).