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Mothers who don't want their kids to find someone.

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Someone made a point on the "Purity Ball" thread that's been moved and I think this is the case of alot of AFC males. Women actually feel threatened by their son's girlfriends. I hate to admit it but I noticed it with my mother when I lived with a girl, infact the girl I lived with even liked to flaunt it in front of her. She was a bit of a *****! I wish I wasn't naieve to not notice it at the time, more realise her for what she was.

I think for this reason, women turn their sons into AFCs. They don't want to be alone in their old age.

Does anyone have any similar thoughts or experiences.
 

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d9930380 said:
I think for this reason, women turn their sons into AFCs. They don't want to be alone in their old age.
Yes, I have strong thoughts on this subject. I'm a grown man (25 now) and my mother still tries to instill feelings of fear in me on a regular basis (over the phone). I'm moving further away in a few weeks (I'm already a state away), and you'd be amazed at some of the things she's told me to instill more fear to prevent it. I'm sure at this rate it will never end. Looking back, I can see where she propogated certain AFC behaviors into me starting very young. It continues to this day. Of course I'm much more wise now.

If you've ever seen the movie Orange County with Colin Hanks (Tom Hank's son), that is exactly how my mom acts. A girl I used to date just got married although her boyfriend's mom did not want it since he was living at home and that meant he'd have to move out. He was 30 years old. I don't think it's an isolated issue.
 

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I think for this reason, women turn their sons into AFCs. They don't want to be alone in their old age.
I don't think women turn their sons into AFCs on purpose. A woman can effectively teach a girl how to be feminine, but she cannot teach a boy how to be masculine. That's where the boy needs a father to teach him (and not a feminine-male, I'm talking about a MAN.)

However, I cannot deny that a parent can feel threatened by their son's girlfriend(s). The reason why I didn't single out the mother here is that fathers can be just as bad, if not worse when it comes to this. I had to deal with this from both of my own parents.
 

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the sick and twisted reality of the human experience is that first and foremost we are emotional beings. LOGIC is something we develop (or fail to develop as in many cases).

one of the hardest things to realize in life is that the bond between any 2 humans, whether they be familial or not is based on each getting something from the other.

mothers derive a large degree of their sense of 'self worth' from their children. they consider YOU to be the greatest accomplishment they ever acheived. then miss doolittle comes along and seeks to claim you as her greatest accomplishment.

now, most of the time this works out just fine because mothers see your woman as a means of attaining grand children - even further enhancing their sense of accomplishment, after all, if not for them there would be no YOU and hence the grandchildren wouldn't exist.

now, do people walk around in life realizing why they are attached to various things for various reasons? no! inexplicably they simply find themselves 'attached'.

and all mothers know the seductive power (and nag power) of a woman - and they KNOW that their sons may soon start listening to miss doolittle as opposed to them - that their VALUE in relation to the thing which they consider to be their greatest accomplishment will deminish greatly.

but all this is a ying and yang type of thing. its that same irrational attachment that mothers have that also accounts for the fact that for most men there is at least ONE person on this planet that would do just about anything for them.

does all this lead to AFC behavior? yes.
is it the only factor? no.

i argue that being an AFC is natural. any man, left to his own devices and inserted in our current social system will end up an AFC. just like any woman, left to her own devices will end up with low self esteem and be an attention wh*re.

YOU are in the matrix - AND - so they are they!

escaping the matrix really entails nothing more than realizing that the world around you is the sum accumulation of behavioral and social conditioning on a masse level - one that feeds back in to itself and constantly reinforces the ideas which lead you away from being a free confident individual and toward a hungry consumer who is constantly looking for external variables for a sense of self value.

being a man, in my opinion, merely entails at some point in life standing up for yourself and saying 'enough is enough. I no longer care what others thing and im going to start figuring out who i am, what i believe in, and live life according to ME - and anyone who ain't down with that, that's their problem." (this includes parents, friends, work colleagues, etc.)

that is what i call being a life DJ. its also what i call being a MAN.

and whether it leads to you banging more chics or not is secondary. its the first step towards happiness and living an authentic life.

so all that being said, yes mothers are a major psychological conditioner! as are fathers to their daughters. they are the entity of the opposite gender that you are most exposed to during the course of your life - how can they not mess up your head? hehe.

do they mean to? NO - i truly believe they don't. they don't even know what they are doing. their brains are conditioned just like the rest of society. they love you and this is how they express love - but you know what they say, 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

so be your own man and do what YOu want to do. let others worry about living with your choices. just do me one favor - DO NOT let women push you around because 1) they want you to give them the same kind of attention daddy did or 2) you would never tell your mom to go f*ck herself. hehe.

when you're getting treated wrongly by a woman, STAND UP for yourself.
 

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Another good reason to forge ahead on your own. Few things define a man as well as self sufficiency.
 

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Joeker31 - I disagree, I understand what your saying; that it's subconcious but in my case my mother has always said "you'll take care of me in my old age". I think parents do this, they choose certain offspring to look after them. What I've learnt is that people act in their own interest, even someone's moraility is normally based in their own interest.

It's actually got me very angry. I've always put people I love before my own selfish needs but I now realise that's naieve and most people don't operate like that.

Basically what I'm saying is that we have to think for ourselves and not be govern by what we've been taught either by society or our parents because neither is looking out for our happiness.
 

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i hope that one day all my children leave home. to imagine doing my sons' laundry in another 10 years, no thanks.
 

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blueguy -it looks like ur seeing it for what it is, I think it's completely pre-meditated and if you ask me you will be better off ignoring anything she says and living your own life. You owe her nothing, she brought you into this world and it's not to be her companion in old age. You have your own life to live.
 

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whoooow! hold the horses there boys.

you guys are jumping to conclusions based on a limited perspective i put in a post.

JUST because everyone in the world seems to operate based on selfish standards DOES NOT therefore mean that you should.

you didn't miss the point, becuase i didn't add this point, but given the responses to my original comments i feel i must.

look, yes, people do things for selfish reasons. that doesn't make them BAD - it makes them needy. the anger over their neediness is the ying and yang of it all - ie. they praise you to get your attention and chastise you when you pull it away - they seek to tie your sense of self worth up with their judgement so that they can pull your strings when they NEED to.

but once you see that, you can put your foot down when they are doing that. it does not mean though that you have to become a hard *ss and push everyone away.

the greatest experiences in life that you will relish will be those where you GAVE something to someone that made a difference to their life. now, you shouldn't give at your own detriment or as a result of pressure, but please don't make the mistake of thinking that because others are needy (and yes, as a result will USE you) that giving is therefore a weakness.

its the exact opposite. be a force for good in the world. not for others, although they are the mechanism through which you will do good, but for yourself. its the only path to being able to look yourself in the eyes and KNOW that you are a GOOD man.

anyway, just my 2 cents.
 

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penkitten said:
i hope that one day all my children leave home. to imagine doing my sons' laundry in another 10 years, no thanks.
Ha, Ha, me too. I have one out the door and 3 to go. We are coming full circle on the big wheel.

I remember my mother being rather ruthless regarding any woman I brought home, and especially to the two I married (come to think of it she was on the money on the first one).

It was a fairly simple case of jealousy and loss of time and energy from me.

Did she make me into an AFC: nope, only I did that. This is funny as hell because her angle on shooting down the women was to take another poster’s view here that most of them were dirty hoars. Even then as a budding AFC, my response was: “I sure hope so..”.
 

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Excellent post! What I have read from Joekerr31 is essentially the fundamental basis of what a man/woman should be. Not only does this view point mirror, at least for me, my opinion and thoughts, but it is a means of describing behavior that would easily transcend cultural, ethnicity, and etc.

If you take this as a general guide to living, I am sure it would serve each of us well. Basically, do good for the benefit of mankind, do not act to the detriment of yourself, and enjoy your life and be productive during your earthly visit.
 

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yes, we teach them to be good responsible people and how to cook their own dinner and manage money and do their laundry and put oil in their cars.... and then when they turn 18 and graduate from high school, we quickly gather boxes and push them out the door.
remember, they ain't really gone until all their stuff is out of the attic!!

i still have years before mine leave the nest, but i can assure you , there will be no empty nest syndrome here. i have always done my mothering job the best i could, with no vacation or sick time and i try not to ever complain. HOWEVER i already feel as if i understand the cosby show where cliff tells claire to pack up and they will just run away and give the kids the house because their kids never leave.


as far as who you end up with, a mother fears her son will marry a bi tch and a daughter will marry some jerk off. if we start teaching our children when they are younger, there is a chance, they wont fall for those types later. but you cant pick who they will love, they must live and learn like anyone else. you just say what you think is right, and then you back off and let your adult child be a grown up and choose for themselves.
 
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