most women never initiate. Is this a cultural thing?

[sstype]

We all know that most chicks here in the U.S. never really initiate the approach, regardless whether you are attractive or not. Are women in other countries any more aggressive? Do they give more clear signals of attraction than american chicks?

 

[Socialreject]

This is partially cultural, partially genetic and its also partially based on free will...

Why is anything the way it is? Because it simply happened to turn out that way. Is it always what's best? Most fair or justifiable.... not really but in the end it doesn't matter.

I think there are remote societies where women are more dominant, or more submissive. It seems possible to me. But in the western world men are the dominant sex and so they do not get approached, but approach since getting approached by a women may actually be considered an act of aggression from a submissive person.... doesn't go well together imho.

 

[GropeDope]

Let me think.......hmmmm.......

Women are the ones getting f*cked and get something stuck inside them by a man during sex.

Men are the ones that do the f*cking and penetrate women during sex.

Unless more guys get into taking it in the a$$, and more women get into wearing strap-ons, I can't possibly forsee this changing too much in the future, and I can't really think of many societies that are much different.

 

[SparkleMotion]

Originally posted by GropeDope
Let me think.......hmmmm.......

Women are the ones getting f*cked and get something stuck inside them by a man during sex.

Men are the ones that do the f*cking and penetrate women during sex.

Unless more guys get into taking it in the a$$, and more women get into wearing strap-ons, I can't possibly forsee this changing too much in the future, and I can't really think of many societies that are much different.

That pretty much sums it up.

Well there are a lot of other things, but basically yeah women will not start approaching on a wide scale. Sure every once and a while a woman will approach a guy, but it's not going to ever be on the same level as guys approaching women.

 

[Egoist]

i dont know man, they are scared of something, but at the end a man is a man and he should initiate, but hey, if you're lucky enough and a chick initiates, great..

usually, you have to give a girl a reason though..

it was kinda funny though, this cute girl was walking by the bus i was on, and waved at me, and i smile and wink, and then the bus just sits there and the girl is waiting for the light, so her and her friend are just standing there giggling and looking at me.. like what the hell, they are so goofy :crackup:

 

[illmatic20]

simple economics my man.

When demand of a hot girl is higher then the supply they are is a shortage. Why would they need to approach a guy if there million of guys willing to approach a hot girl. Something note worthy is overwieght women. I have experience many times that they do the approaching when they want a attractive/hot guy. My friend and I always end up getting hit on by them, because we are in demand towards them.

 

[h2o]

Originally posted by sstype
We all know that most chicks here in the U.S. never really initiate the approach, regardless whether you are attractive or not. Are women in other countries any more aggressive? Do they give more clear signals of attraction than american chicks?

actually, I tend to disagree. Since last week, I have been approached almost once per day, by girls that I would rate from Hb6-8s. A while ago I posted about feeling "high on life" and I still feel it. I feel the "energy" and girls do approach me, honestly.

I think it's about giving off a "friendly/social" vibe.

I think the other thing you don't get is that girls don't approach guys in the same way that we (or most guys) approach them.

For example, when girls approach me, the way I can tell is that they will get in my personal space (the imaginary 1-2ft bubble that most people stay somewhat separate from...because it's almost like the kissing zone, you have to be careful to not bump into her lips). Anyway, even that is not all the time. Usually, girls will open you by making a really dumb situational comment, and give you lots of eye contact. Or give you that puppy-dog sort of look without saying anything...hang around with enough women and more than 90% of the time you'll be able to tell. It's up to you to take that opportunity. and you should take it, because you may never see her again...what do you have to lose?

Two more things I have to mention:
1) maybe you don't give off that "friendly" aura. but I guess not everyone does, so if you're a "bad-boy" type, don't expect to get approached often...? I don't know, I'd suggest smiling more.

Here's a true story from just today. It's not really a big deal, but relevant...I went to get lunch, and the cashier girl (eh, Hb6) was clearly hitting on me.

I usually just greet them, the basic "hi/hello, how are you" fluff talk before I make my order...just being friendly. But she was like "heeyyyy...how are you doing...wow, you smell really goood..." And then, the other girl making the sandwiches, Hb7.5 was smiling at me, and asking me what I was wearing, etc.

I don't get that sort of attention by looking pissed off when I walk around. I have a smile on my face, and I talk to everyone around me...which leads me to point

2) just do your thing...because you never know who's watching. I mentioned this in one of my posts a week or two ago. An older Hb8 approached me and told me she'd seen me the other day just talking to people. You'd be surprised at the impression you can leave on people even when you haven't met them yet.

And I don't mean to brag or make up stuff. This is very true. I think of it as...

(sort of like my location on my user ID handle, "welcome to my world"). Because through my eyes, it is my world...the world is how I see it through my eyes, so I can see things the way I see them...everyone sees the same things from a different light. I like to view them positively, and in my world, believe myself to be the center of it ...a view I sort of adopted from an old Player_Supreme post...but the mental mantra really does you wonders. When you belive it enough, you will really begin to draw people to your presence, no doubt.

and btw...I'm sure girls have "approached" or "opened" you before...you just didn't think of it in that light. I see it all the time. Remember, they do it differently, very subtly, and you need to take a hint when you get it. It's not to say every girl making friendly chit chat is hitting on you...but if you can't tell yet, just take it as that for now. you'll be able to tell with time.

good luck.

 

[Boner da Stoner]

I sat all by my lonesome in a bar with no girls I had ever tried to pick-up, I planted it as my concession grounds where I can be AFC and not care.

Over a 5 minute period 3 HOTTTTT(HB8 and up) stranger ladies came my way and invited me for a ciggy and a hoot while I sat alone, slouching, with one elbow on the table, and staring at the floor. All gave me the finger after pushing me after I told them "no thanks, you should as THAT guy*while pointing at random male*"

 

[everywomanshero]

Approach

I've been approached by women, especially in bars. However, it's
not the norm. I still have to do the
vast majority of the approaching.

I've read many articles from men
with blue eyes that in Central
America many women will hiss
at them. Again, men with blue eyes
are rarer there than in South America.

I have more experience in South
America. I can regularly pull hotties
there much easier than here.
They are just as clean and often
more fun than the women I
get in Norte America. The Problem
is I cannot make enough salary there.

 

[Wee]

Culture has nothing to do with it. It has to do with how women's minds work. They base attraction like 20% on looks. Men are the opposite. When men see a hot chick then they are instantly attracted because that is what matters most. When women see a dude, she may think he is attractive, but that isn't always enough. Plus a lot of the times the guy (even if hes attractive) knows bull**** about game and just sits their with a scowl thinking hes gonna look cool to her. I get approached by girls all the time though. I just smile at everyone and I dunno, I asked girls about it and they say that "there's somethin' about you that just kinda makes people wanna be your friend" lol I guess I got the right personality. It is probably because I'm dead sexy too. The point is, just because you can't get girls to approach you, doesn't mean that they don't.

 

[Hound_of_Love]

Women aged 30+ regularly approach me. I have to approach the younger ones most of the time.

IMHO it's just a matter of confidence. Older women have more.

 

[sstype]

Re: Approach

Originally posted by everywomanshero
I've been approached by women, especially in bars. However, it's
not the norm. I still have to do the
vast majority of the approaching.

I've read many articles from men
with blue eyes that in Central
America many women will hiss
at them. Again, men with blue eyes
are rarer there than in South America.

I have more experience in South
America. I can regularly pull hotties
there much easier than here.
They are just as clean and often
more fun than the women I
get in Norte America. The Problem
is I cannot make enough salary there.

yeah, i tend to assume, and this is just an assumption, that women in latin countries are not as insecure about themselves as american chicks are, thus, tend to be more open about their sexuality. I was just wondering if guys over there still have to play the same games that we do with chicks in the US.

 

[arlanda]

Of course it's a cultural thing. No way some asian chick would approach.

If we had more movies with girls doing the approach they and the whole society would consider it "normal" (after years of programming, of course)

Women are waiting for the prince charming, they will rarely initiate. If they see an attractive guy they may show some subtle IOIs but when he doesn't approach they will rationalize it as "it wasn't meant to be" and NEXT him ("if he was worth it he would have approached me" ****ing amazing mindset! )

 

[MackJr]

Originally posted by Hound_of_Love
Women aged 30+ regularly approach me. I have to approach the younger ones most of the time.

IMHO it's just a matter of confidence. Older women have more.

I used to have this happen. It's too bad I was a sub-AFC at the time.I was kind of scared by these older women approaching me.

I don't think it's confidence, though. It's supply and demand. They have to work harder at that age.

 

[everywomanshero]

Yep

Most of the women who approach me in bars are older women. I ignore all of them except those who have aged very gracefully. I made my decisions almost solely on appearance. If she has a bad atttitude, I just don't ever contact her again. By older I don't mean 50, I'm talking 30-40.

 

[Hound_of_Love]

Originally posted by MackJr
I don't think it's confidence, though. It's supply and demand. They have to work harder at that age.

Burst my bubble why don't you... :crackup:

 

[Leah]

I've developed a lot more confidence now I'm a bit older, or it could be that I don't give a damn anymore. A lot of men are intimidated by a woman making the first move.

 

[catch]

i think women have started approaching man nowadays because of the lack of balls that men have to approach!

women want to be approached, they love it, it makes them feel good, it takes a dj to approach and build on her interest levels though! a good pua will approach and do all the right things that gets a woman hot!

the women that approach the guys are becoming desperate and usually have hairy armpitts, a scary attitude and have a there own pair of balls!!!

 

[Hound_of_Love]

Originally posted by catch
the women that approach the guys...usually have...a scary attitude

Sometimes. Be careful of this. Caught myself a scary stalker-type the other day.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned and all that.

*shudder*

 

[skeeloo]

the way women only initiate is through eye contac and smilling thats as far as it goes or putting themselves so close to you making it obvious.
im in europe and women dont really initiate like directly but i have been directly appraoched by an american girl so im wondering if its better over there in usa:crackup: .

but seriously younger girls seem to be the ones always approaching me and ifind it disgusting girlswithin the age of 16,17,15 think they have a chance with me for some reason i cant figure out and i hate it.

women havnt approached me like i like you and i think your cute no, except the younger ones. but the older chicks my age ask alotta questions like directions when im walking or standing alone,

the funny thing is the only way they appraoch me is when i act like i dont see them like i purposly act like i didnt see them, then they make it a point for me to see them even going as far as asking for help to get a rapport. but no women wont approach you directly like hey i wana fuk you tonite.. a man has to approach.