More evidence to not take it personally

[Pandora]

Example 1:

So i used to hang out with this really cute girl. Easily 7.5/10 on the hard scale. She was the type of girl that every where she went guys would fall in love with her cuteness. I had a huge crush on her. We slept in the same bed one night after partying and she refused to even let me touch her when the night before she was all about letting me cuddle with her ( i declined the night before because of logistics). I went into AFC in mode and cut her off. A year later she contacts me again after seeing pics of me and my hot ex gf.

We had a convo and she explained to me that she did not know why she acted the way she acted that night. She gave every excuse from being high, to being tired, to just plain being stupid. She acknowledged that the night before she was down to at least cuddle but that night for some reason she wasnt and she didnt know why. She also stated that she likes guys once they get a gf. I assume this is why she hit me back up (jealousy).

The point is that some women turn down sex for random reasons. These same women accept sex for random reasons. We think they are turning us down becuz of some legit valid reason. Much of the time its not a legit reason. Its a capricous mood that determines their behavior. The minds of these types of women are just a chaotic mess of emotional storms. They need orbiters to anchor their thoughts.

As men we often take it personal as to why a women teases us and then rejects us. Us being hurt by it implies that there is some legitimacy in the action. Trust me it is random in many cases.

Example 2:
I was hitting on a girl in Las Vegas. I could tell she thought i was charming but she just smiled and politely declined. As she walked by i over heard her friend say " why did you blow him off, he was cute!". The girl that i was hitting on shrugged her shoulders and said" i dont know". This confirms what i have suspected for a long time. Much of the behavior is capricious. They really are not controlled by real logic. Abundance also adds to this capricious behavior. When you have an abundance of something you behave recklessly with that resource. When you have a ton of money, you just do stupid stuff with your money.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Yes women are capricious and somewhat arbitrary when rejecting a guy. You made some good observations and points I've also came to concluded over time. A woman will reject a man's advances a large percentage of the time no matter who the guy is. Abundance of men is a big factor. The problem comes in if you're not a very attractive guy, then the rejection rate can get very high even 100%. Anyway you make a good point that you can't take women's rejection to personal or serious. You're going to get rejected. All that matter is whether you get accepted reasonably often and get girls you want with a reasonable amount of numbers game. I can't say that's the case with me at present.

 

[zekko]

If guys fall for her everywhere she goes because of her cuteness, I bet she rates higher than a 7.5. Maybe you're not giving her enough credit. Unless it's just her personality that is cute.

But when she says likes guys once they get a gf, yikes that's a red flag. I know women go for social proof and all, but I'd consider a girl like that a head case.

 

[Pandora]

If guys fall for her everywhere she goes because of her cuteness, I bet she rates higher than a 7.5. Maybe you're not giving her enough credit. Unless it's just her personality that is cute.

But when she says likes guys once they get a gf, yikes that's a red flag. I know women go for social proof and all, but I'd consider a girl like that a head case.

My personal hotness scale is very strict. I consider a 7/10 as a hot girl. I consider 5/10 as average. So a 7/10 means you are hotter than 70% of the women in your age range. 5/10 mean that you are hotter than 50% of the women etc etc. Im not giving her enough credit becuz she is definitely very attractive lol. But yeh she is a head case.

She said that she is realizing that she goes for unavailable men. She also admitted to me that she generally sleeps with guys that have gf's. She explained to me that she has other options but always picks the guys the are in relationships. She even slept with a guy that was the bf of one of her friends. The only reason she hit me up now was becuz she thought i had a gf. She comes from a seemingly stable two parent household so i dont know where her dysfunction originates from. She is well accomplished in her career too.

Here is an example of her craziness. She went to a New Years party with me and told me that she was not going to kiss me. She proceeds to kiss another guy and kept insisting i tell her if i found another girl to kiss at midnight. She then proceeds to ditch her friends to go home with me. WTF head case. I know she thinks i am valuable becuz she parades me around to all her friends. She asks me to accompany her to formal events. But she wont sleep with me lol.

This chick dates ugly guys. She even admits it. She says the hot guys are not worth it becuz they are players and she doesnt want to get played again. I often ask her why she rejected decent looking guy and went with another guy and she really cant explain it. Who she chooses to have sex with vs who she chooses to make an orbiter has no real basis.

Her being a head case supports my point even more. It is ridiculous that we take rejection personal from these head cases. Do we actually think that she can accurately measure a mans value. NO! Crazy people make crazy choices. Men would not care if a mentally ill homeless woman rejected them becuz we can see that she is obviously crazy.

The manosphere erroneously believes that all women have a beta vs alpha checklist. They believe that these woman go down the checklist and tally up alpha points and then sleep with the guy with the most alpha points. This is not true. Some women seek beta qualities ( like ugly) guys depending on their current mood in life. Some women has subconscious trauma and they base the men they sleep with on that trauma. Not necessarily on being alpha. Women with chaotic personal lives often make chaotic choices in men. Many women string along alpha men for their own validation. Only emotionally healthy women consistently seek "alpha". Damaged women dont.

 

[Pandora]

The problem comes in if you're not a very attractive guy, then the rejection rate can get very high even 100%.

Yes exactly man. I feel very bad for my ugly guy friends. They get no chicks at all. Then it becomes a vicious cycle in which they do not approach becuz their confidence is so low. It is very brutal these days for bad looking men that are not muscular. I consider myself a 6/10 ( basically average). So i do well with other average looking girls. Once in a blue moon i will trick a hot girl into sleeping with me (7+). But if you are a very ugly guy these days you are done unless you hit the gym. You have to hit the gym hard! No matter what people say looks is very important to most women. Damaged ones dont really care about looks becuz they have their own subconscious agenda.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Yes exactly man. I feel very bad for my ugly guy friends. They get no chicks at all. Then it becomes a vicious cycle in which they do not approach becuz their confidence is so low. It is very brutal these days for bad looking men that are not muscular. I consider myself a 6/10 ( basically average). So i do well with other average looking girls. Once in a blue moon i will trick a hot girl into sleeping with me (7+). But if you are a very ugly guy these days you are done unless you hit the gym. You have to hit the gym hard! No matter what people say looks is very important to most women. Damaged ones dont really care about looks becuz they have their own subconscious agenda.

Yes, and the guys don't have to be ugly per se. Just something about their face or appearance isn't above average in attractiveness and despite having many other qualities such as height, not fat etc they're shut out by women. And to add insult to injury, both the manosphere and mainstream along with women claim a guy's looks/appearance couldn't be the reason women shut them out. So it's personally the guys' fault, not things beyond their control or women's or society's fault lol.

About your friend that likes 'ugly guys' I don't doubt that she and her type choose guys that aren't the best looking or most 'alpha' available to them. But I doubt she really dates ugly guys either. She probably dates guys that are some what near or above average and attractive to some girls. Hence they have girlfriends and attract some girls. The guys that struggle attracting anything with any girls wouldn't be able to get her and her type either.

I think it is a very common female phenomenon for a female to attracted to a male she sees that has other females attracted to him. The guys that need that working in their favor the most have it the least.