Morals will lose you the game.

[Slash Dolo]

In my time on this forum I've had a lot of people bring up morality in regards to women and why they will or will not do something. I've suggested flaking on them, mind games, cheating in relationships, etc. to get what you want and some forum goers have trashed me for it. It's 2016, almost 2017, and I say morality is all but dead. Accept it, or lose.

In an age where women are more entitled than ever, where they are wasting the time of men left and right, playing mind games, and generally being useless overly dependent dregs who think they should be treated like queens despite their kingdom being Daddy's bank account... it's time to fight fire with fire. We need to use every dirty trick in the book. No method, unless criminally illegal, should be dismissed. And I say this not from a perspective of an assh*le, or from a guy who has no luck with them, (I've been rather successful at least as far as lays go, having sex with over 30 different women at 27 years of age) but from a perspective of a man who has learned the hard way that morals simply lead to a loss.

You either win or lose. Once you start realizing you hate losing more than you love winning, the means it takes to get the win will no longer bother you. Myself, I aim to only win from now on. You should do the same; no matter what you have to do to get there.

 

[Poon King]

You have the right idea overall. You can fight dirty and win or fight fair and lose.

I don't necessarily agree with throwing morality out the window completely, but I DO agree with throwing fairness out the window. Once you throw morality out the window you close your right to complain. For instance you can no longer complain when a woman does something immoral.

My code is to do what is in my best interest. I would prefer to be "nice" and "moral" in my actions and I usually am when it works. However, when I'm backed into a corner and have no choice.. I'm not above going to dark places. It should be a last resort though. Its usually better to just NEXT women who are complete trash rather than sinking to that level.

In the end.. you can get pretty far without being a complete d!ck. Just being dominant and spinning plates usually goes far enough.

 

[SteR]

This is ridiculous. There isn't any 'fight' here - the genders are supposed to be together. Since when have women become the enemy?

This place is becoming toxic...

 

[Poon King]

This is ridiculous. There isn't any 'fight' here - the genders are supposed to be together. Since when have women become the enemy?

This place is becoming toxic...

I'm sure when feminism started someone said: "Since when have men become the enemy?"

Its definitely more fun to pretend life is all sunshine and lollipops but that is not the case. While there are decent women out there.. its better to be prepared for the worst case scenario than to live in Disneyland and suddenly have the rug pulled from under your feet one day when your loving wife decides to divorce you and take your kids along with half your money.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

The thing is morality helps you screen out poor quality women.There is no pretense or delusion here; morality does not involve wishing or imagining women to be better than they actually are in general, but is a cold hard look at what a particular woman is in substance.

The kind of woman you want depends on what kind of man you want to be.

The fault of the 'Disneyland' view is it is all idealism. Does that mean men should become hard-nosed realists. I don't think so. Rather, neither an idealist nor realist be. I think when we bracket for a moment our ideology and look within ourselves, most realize that a man must balance both.

 

[zekko]

I've suggested flaking on them, mind games, cheating in relationships, etc. to get what you want and some forum goers have trashed me for it. It's 2016, almost 2017, and I say morality is all but dead. Accept it, or lose.

I'm sure your saying this will gain you a lot of fans, but I don't really care about women in this context. When you say it's 2017, morality is dead, maybe you're right, but that just means we're going to watch Rome burn. When a civilization loses its morality, its days are numbered. History has shown us this. As for how this affects our lives with women, I really don't give a sh!t.

I've said I don't believe in cheating while in a relationship, and some posters have trashed me for that. So you're not the only one. I'm not into playing mind games, not because I keep a "Disney" ideology, but because I can't be bothered with them. I prefer to just keep a strong frame and work from there. I am far from a perfect person but I haven't abandoned all morality either. And I certainly don't feel like I have "lost", I think I've been very fortunate. So when you say "Accept it, or lose", I can't agree with that. Besides, sometimes when you do things you aren't proud of, it can come back to haunt you, in the form of added drama or worse.

But it probably depends to some extent what it is you're trying to do. If you're just trying to run your notch count up, maybe morality can work against you. I've always thought that PUAs teach you to accept the "@sshole" mindset, not because it's attractive, but rather because you have to numb your feelings and your conscience if you are setting out to screw over as many women as you can.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

You either win or lose. Once you start realizing you hate losing more than you love winning, the means it takes to get the win will no longer bother you. Myself, I aim to only win from now on. You should do the same; no matter what you have to do to get there.

I suggest you are using an incorrect or less than resourceful metaphor. Winning and losing is for wars and sports.

When you are "gaming" a woman, you both kind of hope you are right for each other. Either for the next hour or the next months or even years.

If the women you are going after feel they've "lost" after you've banged them, you either suck or you're going after the wrong women.

Of course, this is all relative and different people have different goals.

But if you're goal is short term sex, there are plenty of women who share the same goal, so "winning" isn't exactly the right word. Perhaps "succeeding," but in a way that she also feels she's "succeeding."

Think of it from an economic perspective, since essentially that's what it is. You are trading your "social interaction" for hers. So long as you both are getting what you want from the interaction (more than the imagined costs) you are both succeeding.

If you are thinking in terms of "winning" (and as the obverse she "losing') it's more like stealing than an open and honest economic transaction.

If you feel you need to be duplicitous to get sex or companionship, you might want to consider doing some work on your "real self" and practice augmenting your "real behavior" so that is enough to get enough interest from enough women.

 

[zekko]

The problem with morals is people use them to try and control other people, or to rationalize their own shortcomings.

That's true, but such people are not really moral. They will use anything and everything they can find in order to manipulate others or gain what they want. It's like the stereotypical "nice guy" who is really not so nice, he is really a needy, manipulative snake in disguise.

But if you're goal is short term sex, there are plenty of women who share the same goal, so "winning" isn't exactly the right word. Perhaps "succeeding," but in a way that she also feels she's "succeeding".

Yeah, I think RSD mentions this somewhere, how you want to give value, and the "win/win" scenario. Looking at every sexual encounter as something where someone has to win, and someone has to lose, I don't think that's the most mature perspective.

 

[Serenity]

Someone does bad stuff. You reason doing equally bad things to be ok because they do it. You then suggest more guys do bad things as you do because some other people do it.

Did anyone wonder why society is deteriorating? The answer is right here with the mentality displayed by @Slash Dolo.

Alternative solution to bad behavior without being whipped around? See the response of @Poon King.

 

[Trump]

We need to use every dirty trick in the book. No method, unless criminally illegal, should be dismissed. And I say this not from a perspective of an assh*le, or from a guy who has no luck with them, (I've been rather successful at least as far as lays go, having sex with over 30 different women at 27 years of age) but from a perspective of a man who has learned the hard way that morals simply lead to a loss.

You either win or lose. Once you start realizing you hate losing more than you love winning, the means it takes to get the win will no longer bother you. Myself, I aim to only win from now on. You should do the same; no matter what you have to do to get there.

Bro your post is conflicting. You are saying you have had sex with 30+ women at 27, but have learned the hard way morals lead to a loss. If you have had so much sex with so many women, what are you trying to accomplish with morals? You want a relationship? You want a soul mate? You want a wife?

Usually men get angry when they can't get sex from women and subsequently throw morals out to get sex or win at all costs. What are you trying win with women if you've had so much sex? It appears you want a wife and they are not cooperating, or there is something you are telling us.

 

[Desdinova]

The thing is morality helps you screen out poor quality women.

Morals don't help you screen women, having standards does. If you require women to be physically fit, not smelly and void of any other male companion, those are standards.

You can have morals that will make you as a white knight, or you can have morals that help you retain your self-respect. You pick the ones you want.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The thing is morality helps you screen out poor quality women.There is no pretense or delusion here; morality does not involve wishing or imagining women to be better than they actually are in general, but is a cold hard look at what a particular woman is in substance.

The kind of woman you want depends on what kind of man you want to be.

The fault of the 'Disneyland' view is it is all idealism. Does that mean men should become hard-nosed realists. I don't think so. Rather, neither an idealist nor realist be. I think when we bracket for a moment our ideology and look within ourselves, most realize that a man must balance both.

Well if you find she is "morally strong", is generous and likes to meet your needs she would be a good woman to partner with.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Morals don't help you screen women, having standards does. If you require women to be physically fit, not smelly and void of any other male companion, those are standards.

You can have morals that will make you as a white knight, or you can have morals that help you retain your self-respect. You pick the ones you want.

Sure, but for a woman to be companionable to myself may require more than those mere physical qualities [no doubt there will be a model for that to be bought on the market in the near future].

True companionship seems to imply something like an equal partner... so then other qualities such as intelligence, manners and ethics comes into play. If I could not enjoy gracious and intelligent conversation with a woman, I shall soon find her tiresome, annoying and boring.

Why bother about anything less? Now, if there were a revolution in men's affairs overnight... well, you can be sure there would be one in woman's also.

 

[Who Dares Win]

I see the points in both opposing views here but as much as I dont like it I have to support OPs view forced to choose.

My sexual, emotional life and my mental health are doing much better since I dropped any moral (society learned) value when it comes of dealing with women.

If she gives me nothing I give her nothing no matter what, she changes her mind after a night out? she has all the right to save herself for an other guy as much as I have all the right to drive back to my place instead of taking her home.

She is a pain in the ass during the date? thats fine no need to send a polite day after text to be a gentlemen, she screwed up my mental health I screw up her self confidence.

Is she 1 hour late to our meeting? I'll be one hour early to leave after I blowed my load in her.

As you can see everything is proportional yet according to "moral" only what Im doing its wrong.

Does she plays hot and cold to screws up my mental sanity, fine I'll fake committment to bang her and screw her self esteem.

I believe the best line to turn an obnoxious cvnt in a respectful polite individual is calling her stupid with a bored disgusted tone, its probably the only way to make them stop thinking that they are superior by default and entitled to harm other people feelings and sanity.

On the other side is right and fair to behave our best toward girls who behave nice and politely to us, I wouldnt say the point is moral, I would say the point is justice and this is the only case where making justice works.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I see the points in both opposing views here but as much as I dont like it I have to support OPs view forced to choose.

My sexual, emotional life and my mental health are doing much better since I dropped any moral (society learned) value when it comes of dealing with women.
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These are not the same things.

You can reject the 'herd morality' of society [the default option] whilst developing your own. I think that is exactly what most are doing here.

Whether you see women as central or peripheral to your life will no doubt have an influence on the morality you adopt. Personally, I don't see how a disregard for morality is going to have a beneficial effect on my life being the social animal I am.

 

[playa99]

Morals - standards of behaviour; principles of right and wrong.

Whether an act is right or wrong is very subjective. There are extremes on either side of the spectrum i.e. Murder is wrong. Doing a selfless deed is good.

To abandon morals and act completely out of your own volition with no regard for anyone else is to be an *******. In doing this you will likely invite fellow *******s into your life.

That being said, there is room for behaviour which could be morally construed as wrong in maintaining your frame. The saying 'take no sh!t' is very apt in this case.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Morals - standards of behaviour; principles of right and wrong.

Whether an act is right or wrong is very subjective. There are extremes on either side of the spectrum i.e. Murder is wrong. Doing a selfless deed is good.

To abandon morals and act completely out of your own volition with no regard for anyone else is to be an *******. In doing this you will likely invite fellow *******s into your life.

That being said, there is room for behaviour which could be morally construed as wrong in maintaining your frame. The saying 'take no sh!t' is very apt in this case.

To be social you are going to need some amount of ethics and morals, unless your group is a bunch of thieving backstabbers....

 

[playa99]

To be social you are going to need some amount of ethics and morals, unless your group is a bunch of thieving backstabbers....

Exactly, I read somewhere that you are a relfection of the 5 people closest to you.

Stepping over the line is generally a defence against assh0le behaviour. The bully isn't as big when you hit them back.

 

[BraddH]

There is no such thing as right or wrong. Everything has as much good as bad.

Life is very much balanced.

To me, thise betas you guys are hating on seems to enjoy much more happiness than you so called "emotionless" alphas.

Even tough you are much more conscious of women than betas will ever be, you still think that you care less about them than betas. You consider women as some sort of enemy.

All these SMV you sre building for what? So that women will be attracted to you. Why go such lenght of effort and hell to get women to respect you if you dont care about them?

Betas are just having a sweet dream untill a nightmare comes. You alphas seems to have woken up in hell.

 

[BraddH]

Man we are so f*cked as a society

Like I said, life is perfect as it is.

Opposites walk hand in hand.

If you want a perfect girl and you get her, and she will be just the way you want her to be, then you will soon find that you are bored of her.

You hate someone? You think that person doesnt have any value or effect on your life? Wrong. That person has huge effect and value on your life. The more you hate that person the more value he has.