Mission impossible?

[Die Hard]

So there's this HB 8.5 I met a while ago at the local salsa bar. This is the kind of babe most men dream of fvcking, the kind that makes all heads turn in the street. Like all these girls, she has a huge circle of orbiters, who kiss her feet while she simply enjoys their attention and LJBF's them.

I'd say this girl is way too much for me to handle, I have nowhere near the experience needed to game such women. Still, she approached me a while ago (I know it's supposed to be the other way around, lol) and has been throwing out IOI's, so why not give it a try? Until now, I've just been acting like I'm the prize, acting like I could get better than her Which is hilarious, coz it doesn't get much better than this girl's looks.

Today, I was sitting at the bar and she came standing next to me, while ordering a drink for herself. She started chatting me up while she waited for the bartender to bring her drink. So I looked at her like I was offended and told her: "You're not gonna order me anything?!" after which she ordered me a drink and I took her to dance with me (it was a great dance, she seemed to be aroused by it!)

I'm loving it! Every week, I see these alpha male, bodybuilding physique, super dance skillz, baddest mothafockas in the place fighting for a chance to talk or dance with her. So here comes me, telling her to order me a drink and getting away with it...then taking her to dance with me haha! Even so, I can tell from her behavior that I'm barely impressing her. This girl is as used to male attention as can be... But like I said, she's been sending me IOI's and I notice she's trying to qualify me, so I just wanna find out how far I can take this.

However, I don't have a clue where to go from here. I feel I need to build up her interest level much higher before I can actually ask her out, ask her phone number or make any other sort of direct move on her. Of course, she's not easily impressed by anything, so I get the idea that raising her interest level high enough and distinguishing myself from the other 10.000 guys hitting on her will take a long time. But this seems wrong to me, in a way... Coz that's probably what all guys do: slooooowly trying to get closer to her, afraid to make a real move coz they fear rejection and losing the opportunity to interact with her after that.

She told me she has lots of alpha guy (not her words, but she described them and they fit the label) friends but that they all treat her like a little sister and that she was so happy about that:

"At least they're not hanging out with me coz they're after something else, you know? I think that's so great!"

So I'd say it's unwise to move slowly on her, as it will make her think I'm just another orbiter. I'd say bold and decisive action is the best way to move on her, moving in aggressively... But on the other hand, I think I should make her chase after me. Turn the tables on her, you know? She's used to all the guys chasing after her, so I should distinguish myself from them by making her chase after me.

So how should I approach this thing? Raise her interest slowly? Move in on her aggressively? Or not moving in at all, so she starts moving in on ME? I'm clueless...


Another problem:

There was this great dancer at the place, she told me he was like a big brother to her, one of her best friends, she could always rely on him etc. I've been observing him and saw him looking at her all night long but doing it in such a way that she wouldn't notice. At one point, she was talking to some other guy while 'big brother' was looking for her. When he spotted her, he hesitated, he wanted to approach her but as she was talking to another guy, he held back. Then he went in after all and interrupted the conversation the other guy was having with her. The other guy signalled through his body language etc. that he wasn't just gonna let 'big brother' steal this girl away from him. So they entered this "game", signalling hostility to each other through body language etc. but trying to hide this from her (both afraid of her dissaproval). They fought for her attention, both tried to subtly discredit each other. I was sitting right behind them, silently observing it all. Eventually, 'big brother' won coz he kino'd the sh!t out of her, pulled her close to himself and put her arm around him, assuming a position like they were a couple and kept her there. Soon after that, he just pulled her along with him to the other side of the club and left the other guy standing there alone...

I noticed how 'big brother' was religiously observing her interactions with other guys from a distance all night long. So obviously, he has seen the way she acts towards me and has identified me as a threat. Now that I think of it, I remember approaching another girl two weeks ago and some guy was trying to sabotage my approach... Turns out it was this same guy! Anyway, if I wanna escalate things with this HB 8.5 I'll have to deal with him, that's for sure... The guy is quite smooth, is a lot bigger than me (I'm muscular but the dude is much taller than me), is a great dancer (I'm just a newbie at dancing), has pretty high social proof in this salsa bar etc. I wanna take a baseball bat and pulverize his kneecaps :trouble:

I feel like going after this girl is kind of a mission impossible for me and the level of my game. But who cares, fortune favors the bold... Any advice?!

 

[KarmaSutra]

So there's this HB 8.5 I met a while ago at the local salsa bar. This is the kind of babe most men dream of fvcking, the kind that makes all heads turn in the street. Like all these girls, she has a huge circle of orbiters, who kiss her feet while she simply enjoys their attention and LJBF's them.

I'd say this girl is way too much for me to handle, I have nowhere near the experience needed to game such women. Still, she approached me a while ago (I know it's supposed to be the other way around, lol) and has been throwing out IOI's, so why not give it a try? Until now, I've just been acting like I'm the prize, acting like I could get better than her Which is hilarious, coz it doesn't get much better than this girl's looks.

You're pedestaling her. It's subtle but you're still doing it.

Stop it. She has flocks of guys who're admirers of hers, let them blow her ego up when it deflates. You need to concentrate on treating her like a bratty friend of your sister's.

The one thing you do NOT want to do is fvcking apologize for being a sexually aggressive man. Embrace what you are.

Today, I was sitting at the bar and she came standing next to me, while ordering a drink for herself. She started chatting me up while she waited for the bartender to bring her drink. So I looked at her like I was offended and told her: "You're not gonna order me anything?!" after which she ordered me a drink and I took her to dance with me (it was a great dance, she seemed to be aroused by it!)

It takes moxey to do what she did. You did good, now it's time to kick your confidence and nonchalant demeanor into high gear. Neg the fvck out of her.

Do it with a sly smile and a wink. Touch her. Touch her alot. Kiss her for Chrissakes.

I'm loving it! Every week, I see these alpha male, bodybuilding physique, super dance skillz, baddest mothafockas in the place fighting for a chance to talk or dance with her. So here comes me, telling her to order me a drink and getting away with it...then taking her to dance with me haha! Even so, I can tell from her behavior that I'm barely impressing her. This girl is as used to male attention as can be... But like I said, she's been sending me IOI's and I notice she's trying to qualify me, so I just wanna find out how far I can take this.

Up to now you're acting Alpha. Now you have to become that which you portray yourself.

However, I don't have a clue where to go from here. I feel I need to build up her interest level much higher before I can actually ask her out, ask her phone number or make any other sort of direct move on her. Of course, she's not easily impressed by anything, so I get the idea that raising her interest level high enough and distinguishing myself from the other 10.000 guys hitting on her will take a long time. But this seems wrong to me, in a way... Coz that's probably what all guys do: slooooowly trying to get closer to her, afraid to make a real move coz they fear rejection and losing the opportunity to interact with her after that.

Act swiftly. Don't apologize. With her you're going to have to use a ton of kino, a shatload of confidence, and, I'd strongly advise, well planned time distortion. Take her to, at least, three different places within a three hour span. This will spin her head and give her the illusion she's been with you a helluva lot longer than actual time. Her vagina will be battling her brain for supremacy over allowing you access to her holiest of holies.

She told me she has lots of alpha guy (not her words, but she described them and they fit the label) friends but that they all treat her like a little sister and that she was so happy about that

She knows full well the difference between a man and another of her girlfriends with d!cks. Which will you be?

So I'd say it's unwise to move slowly on her, as it will make her think I'm just another orbiter. I'd say bold and decisive action is the best way to move on her, moving in aggressively... But on the other hand, I think I should make her chase after me. Turn the tables on her, you know? She's used to all the guys chasing after her, so I should distinguish myself from them by making her chase after me.

Procrastination will kill her attraction to you faster than a bullet. Strike fast and unapologetically.

Another problem:

There was this great dancer at the place, she told me he was like a big brother to her, one of her best friends, she could always rely on him etc. I've been observing him and saw him looking at her all night long but doing it in such a way that she wouldn't notice. At one point, she was talking to some other guy while 'big brother' was looking for her. When he spotted her, he hesitated, he wanted to approach her but as she was talking to another guy, he held back. Then he went in after all and interrupted the conversation the other guy was having with her. The other guy signalled through his body language etc. that he wasn't just gonna let 'big brother' steal this girl away from him. So they entered this "game", signalling hostility to each other through body language etc. but trying to hide this from her (both afraid of her dissaproval). They fought for her attention, both tried to subtly discredit each other. I was sitting right behind them, silently observing it all. Eventually, 'big brother' won coz he kino'd the sh!t out of her, pulled her close to himself and put her arm around him, assuming a position like they were a couple and kept her there. Soon after that, he just pulled her along with him to the other side of the club and left the other guy standing there alone...

I noticed how 'big brother' was religiously observing her interactions with other guys from a distance all night long. So obviously, he has seen the way she acts towards me and has identified me as a threat. Now that I think of it, I remember approaching another girl two weeks ago and some guy was trying to sabotage my approach... Turns out it was this same guy! Anyway, if I wanna escalate things with this HB 8.5 I'll have to deal with him, that's for sure... The guy is quite smooth, is a lot bigger than me (I'm muscular but the dude is much taller than me), is a great dancer (I'm just a newbie at dancing), has pretty high social proof in this salsa bar etc.

You have to show him you're not threatened by his faux Alpha facade. You do this by disregarding him.

Do your thing with the girl. When you're with her ask her what his deal is.

If he's in her friend-zone, by him a beer. If he's a straggling hopeful sucker, tell her to buy him a beer.

Either way what he does only impacts your courting this girl if you allow it.

 

[DJDamage]

Better check yourself.

You are happier then a pig in sh1t just because this chick bought you a drink and danced with you?! I am not trying to make you feel bad or dismiss your accomplishment but I just don't see it as a big deal like you do in the grand scheme of things. Why didn't you escalate or attempted to isolate her for a kiss close that night?! That right there could have been the difference between your success and failure with this chick going forward no matter what strategy you think should pursue in order to get her in the near future. You didn't seize the moment when it came to you and your oppetuinty might be slipping away.

Be careful not to get oneitis for this girl who probably has some dude on the side while getting off in seeing " big brother" getting jealous and you + other men giving her the attention she craves.

 

[Fred_Scuttle]

are you still chatting with the last crazy girl you spoke of? is this the one with the big azz but cute face? she probably has other men but you have your chance. move in faster with her and keep her interest up. she has other men so you need to be in the limelight. the main thing is not to value her too much. raise your value higher than her. dont be scared to bring this one home or you will blow it again and be 0 for 2. you seem to be less secretive with this one. that is good. lots of luck.

 

[Die Hard]

You guys are right, I'm pedestalling her. I'm sure if she didn't have such killer looks, I wouldn't have any doubts about how to proceed. I'd just do my thing... Which is what I have to do after all.

Thanks for the great advice, guys!

 

[squirrels]

You can't just switch-modes. You can't be confident and then suddenly switch into, "OMG, how can I impress her?". She's impressed already. If you start "trying" all of a sudden, she'll pick up on that, and now there are two "yous" she has to resolve in her head, the suave, confident you and the trying-to-hard, pedestaling you. The resolution in a girl's head is that the confident you was an "act" designed to impress her. That's what all the other guys do.

She is laying it on you so hard because she WANTS to see if she can crack your facade. But if it's GENUINE confidence, not a facade, you should be able to hold up to the pressure.

The trick is to make your advances, and then not even bat an eye if they get rejected.

 

[vatoloco]

Open, Isolate, Escalate, Close.

The bold part is what you need to do right now. Get her out of there. Don't worry about this other dude. She's gonna do what she wants to do and with whom she wants to.

Stick to the [above] plan, man.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

I suppose it really depends on what you want out of this one...if you're just trying to get into her pants than keep at it man, but she may be a hard one to keep in the basket...she is enjoying her pool of men around her...this is exciting for her. Where else would her ego gloat from?

Hopefully there is some quality beyond her body that she possesses too. I honestly feel bad for women whom all they have is their looks or the sexuality...

 

[Die Hard]

Nope, no quality beyond her body. She was created for one thing only...