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I've read some very good arguements as to why milk is unhealthy, and the fact that all pro-milk advertising is funded by dairy farmers who obvioulsy have something to gain doesnt help the matter.

So is milk bad?
 

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milk = fast absorbing protein.

protein in a liquid.

Good source of calories if you're bulking. Good source of vitamins and stuff just regular. And I'd say at least a glass a day even if you're cutting. Keep it skim, and don't drink too much if you're cutting, and you're set. The stuff is great.
 

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It's only bad if you can't digest lactose (a type of sugar), which is the carb part of milk. Whey is the protein part of milk, which is an excelent source of protein and the primary ingredient in most weight gain powders.
 

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I know this health forum seems really to be about nothing other than bodybuilding sometimes, but thats actually not the way I was looking at this. I know its good for bulking, but in a broader sense, is it healthy? No other animals drink the milk of another species, or drink milk past infancy. Also if you see a chemical analysis, human breast milk and cows milk is quite different, and of course the human milk is ideal for us, so I would think cows milk might not be.

On top of all that, if it naturally wasnt too bad, modern farming practices are frightning. Growth hormones, terrible hygine, cows being fed meat instead of grass, dozens of antibiotics.
 

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Look at it this way. Studies have been done of hunters and gatherers (pre-historic humans). They were pretty healthy, lean, and very strong. In fact, they were the healthiest humans ever and, contrary to popular belief, just as tall as (if not taller than) us. Their diet was the typical diet for thousands of years until man became "civilized" and started cooking vegatables and grains and domesticating animals 10,000 years ago. Hunters and gatherers, on the other hand, ate mostly fresh fruits and vegetables that they gathered or picked and they also ate the occasional animal that they hunted. Milk didn't become a part of the human diet until approximately 10,000 years ago when agriculture set the stage for "civilization" and the end of the era of hunters and gatherers. Man has been less healthy since, and we're becoming more unhealthy now with processed and genetically-engineered foods. Instead of eating what our bodies were meant to eat, we're eating a lot of unnatural junk, and lots of stuff that we were never meant to eat, including dairy. If animals don't drink milk from other species, why should we? We're just as vulnerable to milk from other species as, say, rabbits are to goat milk. Animals get sick when they drink milk from other species, and we humans do as well although we blame it on the weather, lack of sleep, etc.

I don't think you'll lose anything by giving up milk.
 

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No other animals drink the milk of another species, or drink milk past infancy.
This is a flawed argument. We do a lot of things other animals don't do - that doesn't make those things bad does it? Just to run down the list of food related things - We cook our food, which kills diseases. We farm food instead of hunting it down on the spot to provide us with a more consistant supply (I'll admit farming techniques aren't perfect, but that's beside the point). We refridgerate food to make it last longer. We combine foods to enhance how they taste. I don't think any animal does any of this.

lynx,

that's funny because our life expectacy is growing every day. I suppose you have something that backs up your claims that cavemen were healthier than us?
 

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A long read, but interesting:

Don't Drink Your Milk!

Processing Is the Problem

The path that transforms healthy milk products into allergens and carcinogens begins with modern feeding methods that substitute high-protein, soy-based feeds for fresh green grass and breeding methods to produce cows with abnormally large pituitary glands so that they produce three times more milk than the old fashioned scrub cow. These cows need antibiotics to keep them well.

Their milk is then pasteurized so that all valuable enzymes are destroyed (lactase for the assimilation of lactose; galactase for the assimilation of galactose; phosphatase for the assimilation of calcium).

Literally dozens of other precious enzymes are destroyed in the pasteurization process. Without them, milk is very difficult to digest. The human pancreas is not always able to produce these enzymes; over-stress of the pancreas can lead to diabetes and other diseases.

The butterfat of commercial milk is homogenized, subjecting it to rancidity. Even worse, butterfat may be removed altogether. Skim milk is sold as a health food, but the truth is that butter-fat is in milk for a reason.

Without it the body cannot absorb and utilize the vitamins and minerals in the water fraction of the milk. Along with valuable trace minerals and short chain fatty acids, butterfat is America's best source of preformed vitamin A.

Synthetic vitamin D, known to be toxic to the liver, is added to replace the natural vitamin D complex in butterfat. Butterfat also contains re-arranged acids which have strong anti-carcinogenic properties.

Non-fat dried milk is added to 1% and 2% milk. Unlike the cholesterol in fresh milk, which plays a variety of health promoting roles, the cholesterol in non-fat dried milk is oxidized and it is this rancid cholesterol that promotes heart disease.

Like all spray dried products, non-fat dried milk has a high nitrite content. Non-fat dried milk and sweetened condensed milk are the principle dairy products in third world countries; use of ultra high temperature pasteurized milk is widespread in Europe.

Other Factors Regarding Milk

Milk and refined sugar make two of the largest contributions to food induced ill health in our country. That may seem like an overly harsh statement, but when one examines the evidence, this is a reasonable conclusion.

The recent approval by the FDA of the use of BGH (Bovine Growth Hormone) by dairy farmers to increase their milk production only worsens the already sad picture.

BGH causes an increase in an insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1) in the milk of treated cows. IGF-1 survives milk pasteurization and human intestinal digestion. It can be directly absorbed into the human bloodstream, particularly in infants.

It is highly likely that IGF-1 promotes the transformation of human breast cells to cancerous forms. IGF-1 is also a growth factor for already cancerous breast and colon cancer cells, promoting their progression and invasiveness.

It is also possible for us to absorb the BGH directly from the milk. This will cause further IGF-1 production by our own cells.

BGH will also decrease the body fat of cows. Unfortunately, the body fat of cows is already contaminated with a wide range of carcinogens, pesticides, dioxin, and antibiotic residues. When the cows have less body fat, these toxic substances are then transported into the cows' milk.

BGH also causes the cows to have an increase in breast infections for which they must receive additional antibiotics.

Prior to BGH, 38%of milk sampled nationally was already contaminated by illegal residues of antibiotics and animal drugs. This will only increase with the use of BGH. One can only wonder what the long term complications will be for drinking milk that has a 50% chance it is contaminated with antibiotics.

There is also a problem with a protein enzyme called xanthine oxidase which is in cow's milk. Normally, proteins are broken down once you digest them.

However, when milk is homogenized, small fat globules surround the xanthine oxidase and it is absorbed intact into your blood stream. There is some very compelling research demonstrating clear associations with this absorbed enzyme and increased risks of heart disease.

Ear specialists frequently insert tubes into the ear drums of infants to treat recurrent ear infections. It has replaced the previously popular tonsillectomy to become the number one surgery in the country.

Unfortunately, most of these specialists don't realize that over 50% of these children will improve and have no further ear infections if they just stop drinking their milk.

This is a real tragedy. Not only is the $3,000 spent on the surgery wasted, but there are some recent articles supporting the likelihood that most children who have this procedure will have long term hearing losses.

It is my strong recommendation that you discontinue your milk products. If you find this difficult, I would start for several weeks only, and reevaluate how you feel at that time.

This would include ALL dairy, including skim milk and Lact-Aid milk, cheese, yogurt, and ice cream. If you feel better after several weeks you can attempt to rotate small amounts of one form of milk every four days.

You probably are wondering what will happen to your bones and teeth if you stop milk. The majority of the world's population takes in less than half the calcium we are told we need and yet they have strong bones and healthy teeth.

Cows' milk is rich in phosphorous which can combine with calcium -- and can prevent you from absorbing the calcium in milk. The milk protein also accelerates calcium excretion from the blood through the kidneys.

This is also true when you eat large amount of meat and poultry products. Vegetarians will need about 50% less calcium than meat eaters because they lose much less calcium in their urine.

It is possible to obtain all your calcium from dark green vegetables (where do you think the cow gets their's from?). The darker the better. Cooked collard greens and kale are especially good. If you or your child is unable to take in large amounts of green vegetables, you might want to supplement with calcium.

If you can swallow pills, we have an excellent, inexpensive source called Calcium Citrate, which has a number of other minerals which your body requires to build up maximally healthy bone.

It is much better than a simple calcium tablet. You can take about 1,000 mg a day. For those who already suffer from osteoporosis, the best calcium supplement is microcrystalline hydroxyapatite.

It is also important that you take vitamin D in the winter months from November to March. Normally your skin converts sunshine to vitamin D, but the sunshine levels in the winter are very low unless you visit Florida or Mexico type areas.

Most people obtain their vitamin D from milk in the winter; so if you stop it, please make sure you are taking calcium with vitamin D or a multi vitamin with vitamin D to prevent bone thinning.

Most people are not aware that the milk of most mammals varies considerably in its composition. For example, the milk of goats, elephants, cows, camels, wolves, and walruses show marked differences, in their content of fats, protein, sugar, and minerals. Each was designed to provide optimum nutrition to the young of the respective species. Each is different from human milk.

In general, most animals are exclusively breast-fed until they have tripled their birth weight, which in human infants occurs around the age of one year. In no mammalian species, except for the human (and domestic cat) is milk consumption continued after the weaning period. Calves thrive on cow milk. Cow's milk is designed for calves.

Cow's milk is the number one allergic food in this country. It has been well documented as a cause in diarrhea, cramps, bloating, gas, gastrointestinal bleeding, iron-deficiency anemia, skin rashes, atherosclerosis, and acne.

It is the primary cause of recurrent ear infections in children. It has also been linked to insulin dependent diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, infertility, and leukemia.

Hopefully, you will reconsider your position on using milk as a form of nourishment. Small amounts of milk or milk products taken infrequently, will likely cause little or no problems for most people.

However, the American Dairy Board has done a very effective job of marketing this product. Most people believe they need to consume large, daily quantities of milk to achieve good health. NOTHING could be further from the truth.

Public health officials and the National Dairy Council have worked together in this country to make it very difficult to obtain wholesome, fresh, raw dairy products. Nevertheless, they can be found with a little effort. In some states, you can buy raw milk directly from farmers.

Whole, pasteurized, non-homogenized milk from cows raised on organic feed is now available in many gourmet shops and health food stores. It can be cultured to restore enzyme content, at least partially. Cultured buttermilk is often more easily digested than regular milk; it is an excellent product to use in baking.

Many shops now carry whole cream that is merely pasteurized (not ultra pasteurized like most commercial cream); diluted with water, it is delicious on cereal and a good substitute for those allergic to milk.

Traditionally made creme fraiche (European style sour cream), it also has a high enzyme content.
 

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Considering the state of health in this country, it's good to have this exchange of ideas. Look around you and you'll realize that most people look pretty unhealthy. As for my argument that hunters and gatherers are the healthiest people ever, the facts speak for themselves. Read accounts in books about medical anthropology or, for less tedious reading, read "The Mating Mind: How Sexual Choice Shaped the Evolution of Human Nature" by Geoffrey Miller. In it, the author touches on the differences between modern man (relatively sedentary, fat, and unhealthy) and hunters and gatherers (lean, strong, and physically active). The hunter and gatherer diet contributed a great deal to this state of affairs. As for our bodies' unsuitability for eating sugar and dairy, read "Never Be Sick Again" by Raymond Francis.

Nowadays, there are still some hunters and gatherers in some parts of the world, but they're slowly being pushed out of their lands by modern man. Some of the most exemplary ones are the bushmen of Southern Africa. Their diet consists (or used to consist) of raw fruits and vegetables and animals they hunt. Look at any documentary about them from thirty years ago, and you'll see how healthy they look unless they've adopted modern diets. It's sad how modern man is hurting them and driving them to suicide and alcoholism. Their story is similar to that of Native Americans. Native Americans used to be very healthy until they were conquered and turned to alcoholism and the unhealthy American diet.
 
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