Men Don't Chase Women?

[zekko]

I've been watching some Corey Wayne videos lately because some posters have been linking to them, and this one caught my eye. It's titled "Chasing Women is Feminine and Submissive". He likes to talk about walking into the club and focusing on having fun with his friends, while having the attitude and body language of the captain of the football team. He says he does this because he knows if girls see this type of vibe, they will want to approach him.

That is, of course, quite different from the bootcamp approach where you approach 1,000 women to learn what works and free yourself from anxiety. It's similar to some PUA ads I've seen: "The Lazy Man's Guide to Romance - act this way and women will approach YOU".

Those two approaches are contradictory, but they each make a valid point. I'm not sure I agree with the idea that "Chasing Women is Feminine and Submissive" though. The male IS the pursuer, while the female selects from the males that approach her. That's Nature 101.

What he means, I'm sure, is "Don't be overeager" because you'll look needy, desperate, and low value. Wayne likes to talk about the thirsty looking guys in the club who look like they haven't had sex in 10 years. While the alpha male (defined in this case as a guy with a sh!t ton of options) doesn't NEED to approach because he's already swimming in it. Girls will come to him. But what about the average guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgZv49-CZsE

 

[zekko]

I agree with your point and his, but there's a grey area. It's not always black and white.

Yeah, I think he's giving examples from two different extremes. The Alpha Male (or the guru's student who's acting like an alpha male), and the creepy loser. That's a pretty common thing with seduction material, but most people operate somewhere more in the middle of the extreme examples.

I think his point with focusing on having fun is just relax and be social, and some women will come around. At that point though, you're probably going to have to get their number, they probably won't ask for yours.

As usual again with seduction material, 99% of the focus is on the disconnect (being disinterested) rather than the connect (which you address in your example, at least). Which maybe is fine for most people, although my problem has always been I need more connect and less disconnect. Apparently most people here are the opposite.

 

[RangerMIke]

There is a difference between chasing "A" woman and pursuing women.

It's important that when you first meet a women you need to put out the vibe that you are just looking to have fun and fvck her. If she's not up for it, fine... go find a women who is. That is pursuing women, plural.

Chasing a woman is different, the guy who made this video is correct, it makes you look like a chick, it's VERY submissive, and it doesn't work.

 

[Mike32ct]

I think men should approach, but limit it to maybe two approaches max per venue. Don't be a telemarketer approaching dozens of times. I tried the "dozen sets per night" crap in the beginning. All you get is a dozen 3-minute conversations.

But don't expect women to approach you unless are at least a low 8 in looks.

An average looking guy ignoring women => Future porn addict lol

 

[zekko]

That is pursuing women, plural.

Chasing a woman is different, the guy who made this video is correct, it makes you look like a chick, it's VERY submissive, and it doesn't work.

I agree with what you are saying, although the title of the video IS "Chasing Women is Feminine and Submissive". Plural, not singular.

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

I watch for ones that double take on me and startout with "hello". And I agree, in all of my 43 years on the earth, when I persue, I'm persuing for ever and not catching $hit.

When they chase me and allow it, it happens.

 

[guru1000]

I don't chase women. I find highly interested women who chase me. I rarely even call after a first date. I don't need to; they usually initiate.

And its seems the more value I attain--the tighter my physique and overall look, the more plates I spin, and the more I don't give a f*ck--the more women--all of sudden--turn into this breed of highly interested women.

If women are not pursuing you at all, the problem is not your game--it's your value.

 

[Bible_Belt]

The crux is the IOI, the initial indication of interest that the woman gives you. It can be as subtle as a smile. Spotting the IOI and capitalizing on it is not chasing.

I've always been a big proponent of spotting IOIs and approaching those girls only, rather than the shotgun approach of trying to hit on every girl you see. That goes a long way in pushing her romance buttons. If she thinks you're hitting on her just because she is there, then that makes you just another creepy horny loser.

 

[SgtSplacker]

I'm not much of a chaser, I need something to go on first. Typically i'll wait for a lingering stare or something and i'll head over and chat with her a bit to see what's she all about. Otherwise, i'd just rather have fun with my friends. I'm not starved for puussy like most dudes.

 

[RangerMIke]

If women are not pursuing you at all, the problem is not your game--it's your value.

I agree, with one small caveat. It's your value relative to her 'perceived' self worth. For a woman to chase you she has to think you are much better than her. Being just better than her isn't enough, because woman always think they are better than they really are.

A true 5 will think she's a 6, a true 8 will think she's a 9, a true 10 will think she is an untouchable goddess.

 

[dk1990S111]

I agree, with one small caveat. It's your value relative to her 'perceived' self worth. For a woman to chase you she has to think you are much better than her. Being just better than her isn't enough, because woman always think they are better than they really are.

A true 5 will think she's a 6, a true 8 will think she's a 9, a true 10 will think she is an untouchable goddess.

Lol more like a 5 will think shes an 8, and an 8 will think shes a 10...

 

[guru1000]

I agree, with one small caveat. It's your value relative to her 'perceived' self worth. For a woman to chase you she has to think you are much better than her. Being just better than her isn't enough, because woman always think they are better than they really are.

A true 5 will think she's a 6, a true 8 will think she's a 9, a true 10 will think she is an untouchable goddess.

Good point. But remember, as entitled as some of these women may appear, it's still a marketplace. A sexual marketplace. The law of supply and demand dictates that although a HB6 may secure an guy 8; it would be only for sex purposes. The guy 8's actual value exceeds hers; so regardless of her perceived worth; she will eventually have to settle for a guy 6, as that is all she could attract for an LTR.

I think many of us men inflate our own value and thus assume that the woman's perceived value is inflated, when all along it was our own, lol.

Perfect example of this dynamic was 18 months ago when I was 225 lbs, 25% bodyfat, I was struggling with HB7s and thought they were "entitled" princesses. Today, at 190, 10% bf, HB9s chase and game me, and I don't see any entitlement issues whatsoever. The only thing that changed was me; not the game. Entirely different dynamic.

 

[guru1000]

Our mindset is what drives our value up.

Our mindset does not increase our SMV; our looks/status/wealth (LSW) do for the most part. Game, the mindset, only augments and maintains attraction that is already present; it cannot create attraction. Attraction is not a conscious choice.

And of the LSW, the best among the three to attract is looks. Hugh Hefner's harem are not attracted to Hefner. They are attracted to their own possibility of becoming famous. Once they become famous; they're gone.

 

[ZTIME]

Our mindset does not increase our SMV; our looks/status/wealth (LSW) do for the most part. Game, the mindset, only augments and maintains attraction that is already present; it cannot create attraction. Attraction is not a conscious choice.

And of the LSW, the best among the three to attract is looks. Hugh Hefner's harem are not attracted to Hefner. They are attracted to their own possibility of becoming famous. Once they become famous; they're gone.

Good point. I think that mindset is dictated by your L/S/W. If you're in the upper 20% of any of these 3 categories, you're naturally going to have different mindset then somebody who's in the bottom 20% of any of these three categories.

 

[G_Govan]

guru1000 nailed it.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

ahem......

That's because you need to build your OWN game. The reason why there are so many 'ways' to get women is because everyone has their own game. Its just that most haven't really embraced it yet. It's what I've been preaching for a long time now, about becoming your TRUE self, the self that doesn't think, but only acts. And that self doesn't act without thinking because it is foolish, rather, because that true self does not NEED to. It wants what it wants and goes after it. It deals with the problems as they come along.

 

[nismo-4]

Our mindset does not increase our SMV; our looks/status/wealth (LSW) do for the most part. Game, the mindset, only augments and maintains attraction that is already present; it cannot create attraction. Attraction is not a conscious choice.

And of the LSW, the best among the three to attract is looks. Hugh Hefner's harem are not attracted to Hefner. They are attracted to their own possibility of becoming famous. Once they become famous; they're gone.

I second all of this and what you said earlier guru.

You can't just tell a group of average guys to just ignore all the women in a club and a group of Victoria's Secret angels will bang them in 3 positions a month later.

A group of male models or bodybuilders, however, can do this and have women approach.

Tangible clout is key. Faking it only goes so far. Game does too. They are only as effective as how attractive the woman in question perceives you. If you don't get physical, you'll be, at most, a beta orbiter or friendzoned.

If you get an IOI, go for it. Game don't create attraction.

Your Value (L/S/W) is the hook. Your game and personality is the reel. You need a bite to have useful reeling skills.

Case closed.

 

[RangerMIke]

Our mindset does not increase our SMV; our looks/status/wealth (LSW) do for the most part. Game, the mindset, only augments and maintains attraction that is already present; it cannot create attraction. Attraction is not a conscious choice.

And of the LSW, the best among the three to attract is looks. Hugh Hefner's harem are not attracted to Hefner. They are attracted to their own possibility of becoming famous. Once they become famous; they're gone.

Truth.

You can not create attraction. Only uncover attraction that is already there.

LMS is what drives attraction (Sorry the PUA are dead wrong, only very stupid or really horny women fall for PUA BS). It is confidence that exposes that attraction.

Let me say this one one fvcking time, because there is WAY too much stupid fvcked up PUA BS floating around that saying you can drive attaction with confidendence. Okay... this is complete BS and most of you out there know what I'm saying it the truth.

An 8 will NOT be attracted to a man that is NOT an 8 when it comes to LMS. A somewhat ugly dude can nail an 8 but he MUST has staus and Money in his favor. He might be a 4 in looks, but if hes a 9 in status and a 9 in money, he has a shot.

But he will NEVER have a legitimate shot, unless he's got good game (is confidence, has self-control, and acts like a man with options).

Let me say again. You must have LMS higher than her own 'percieved' value. Then display confidence and self-control to UNCOVER this attraction. Nothing else really works.

This is why I always say you MUST strive to be the very best MAN you can be. Otherwise you will NEVER attract the women you want.

TRUST me and many on this website we honestly have NOTHING to gain telling you anything. We are not selling you false hope. You have to ****ing REALLY work on yourself. Quit drinking and taking drugs, stop wacking off to internet porn, work out, dress well, develop your career, make money this is really honestly the only fvcking thing that matters to women.

I'm 48 fvcking years old... I pull women in their 20s, 30s and yes of course 40s, including one super hot woman in her 50s, and an truely wonderful an extremely wealthy women in her 60s this year. This happens because I'm in really good shape for a guy my age, spend money on clothing, and have my own business that does well.

This doesn't happen because I have 'good game' It is because I get up at 4am every day and work out for 2 hours before the sun comes up. I work my @ss of developing my business. I don't drink more than a couple a glasses of wine a day, watch what I eat, and don't take drugs.

 

[sharkbeat]

I have been slowly adapting to this mindset.

Women are attracted to power, so I should be spending my time acquiring more power, not chasing them like an excited puppy.

 

[zekko]

I think we have to question what "chase" means when he says chasing women is feminine and submissive. If he means follow a girl around like a lost puppy, yeah that's submissive. If he means approach a girl and ask for her number or date, no I don't agree that is submissive.

I do think that relationships work best when the woman is more invested and interested than the man is. The man should hold the frame, and that arrangement works much more naturally.

Our mindset does not increase our SMV; our looks/status/wealth (LSW) do for the most part. Game, the mindset, only augments and maintains attraction that is already present; it cannot create attraction. Attraction is not a conscious choice.

What is it that Rollo is fond of saying? "Looks, money, status, game. But if you can have only one, choose game". Eh, I don't know. I agree with you, guru, game is only effective if there is already attraction present. Game keeps you from blowing it.

You can't just tell a group of average guys to just ignore all the women in a club and a group of Victoria's Secret angels will bang them in 3 positions a month later.

A group of male models or bodybuilders, however, can do this and have women approach.

I agree with this. The question that naturally comes up here is what about "Coach" Corey Wayne? He claims he will go into a club and get approached, because of his attitude and his body language. I could be wrong, but he doesn't look like a male model or bodybuilder type to me. But then again, he IS selling a product, so you have to take it all with a grain of salt.

Let me say this one one fvcking time, because there is WAY too much stupid fvcked up PUA BS floating around that saying you can drive attaction with confidendence. Okay... this is complete BS and most of you out there know what I'm saying it the truth.

I agree with you. Women only care about confidence if they find a guy attractive. If they don't think the guy is attractive, all the confidence in the world isn't going to matter. Also, if they find a guy attractive, the guy can be insecure and overcompensate with swagger, and they will call him confident.