Meal Replacement/Protein shakes?
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goto www.maxmuscle.com. There stuff is kina pricey but I use it and it works very well. The best part about their shakes it that they actually taste DAMN GOOD. Get the High 5 and their MRP shakes. There $40 each for a one month supply.
enkai
Senior Don Juan
ensure protein things suck because they're composed of soy isolates which is a protein source that comes from plants n stuff, it's ok, but its not as good as whey protein, goto www.dpsnutriton.com and get yourself some met-rx mrp, or myoplex, they're one of the better tasting ones, also muscle milk is so damn good when it comes to taste, hard to believe that it's a protein shake...but if you don't want to order online GNCs mrp are really high quality aswell, they cost bout 30 bux for like 20 packets which isn't bad at all IMO, see ya G.
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Tiggis
Don Juan
Soy protein sucks
Soy inreases Estrogen that kills muscle growth..
Whey is better pre and post workout but it absorbs too fast for any other time.
Egg is good and so is cans of tuna.. easy to eat and 0 fat
Soy inreases Estrogen that kills muscle growth..
Whey is better pre and post workout but it absorbs too fast for any other time.
Egg is good and so is cans of tuna.. easy to eat and 0 fat
enkai
Senior Don Juan
Re: Soy protein sucks
No estrogen does not kill muscle growth, and soy doesn't raise it that much for you to get tits n stuff, bill perl was a vegeterain, being that he also got plenty of his protein from soy based proteins, whey is pointless pre workout because your body will turn it into glucose and burn it as fuel,and the only time whey should be really used is upon waking up and post workout, its benefical troughout the day, but if you do take it, it's lifetime in the body is 1.5 hours, so after that you need to take in more protein.
Pre Made drinks are hella expensive. You can find drinks called RTD (Ready to drink) but they are around $2-$3 each! If you can't take the time to mix a shake then you definately won't be making the time to workout properly. Go get a gallon of milk and some protein and go to work.
enkai
Senior Don Juan
get some cheap whey protein + ice cream, n some fruits, make you rown drinks, bodybuilding is very very expensive and one reason is because of constant advertisement from magazines, this is a great articles about bodybuilding and budgeting
http://alen.darkscape.net/forum/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=10;t=26
by the way Gs, i run that board along withs ome other peeps.
http://alen.darkscape.net/forum/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=10;t=26
by the way Gs, i run that board along withs ome other peeps.
Tiggis
Don Juan
Hers is where that idea came from.
Paul Cribbs Loves Pre workout shakes!
Couple of quotes....
"The Texan scientists then demonstrated that the presence of a high level of amino acids (the building blocks of muscle protein) in the blood (via IV infusion) increased the muscle growth response of resistance training by around 100%.[2]"
So far, the researchers at the University of Texas Medical Branch had showed that weight training dramatically stimulates muscle protein synthesis rates (50% above resting levels).[5] The addition of a protein supplement accelerated these rates even further (up to 100% better).[7] Then these scientists demonstrated that supplementing with the essential amino acids and 35 grams of glucose stimulated muscle building rates by up to 400%![13] This is triple resting rates and the highest muscle protein synthesis rates ever recorded.
However, probably even more important was the finding in another study by these scientists that the same supplement combination caused a response just as potent if taken just before a workout.[12]
Since then, the advantages of post-workout protein/carbohydrate supplementation have come flooding through. Consuming a protein/carbohydrate supplement immediately after training restores insulin levels, increases muscle protein and glycogen content, amplifies the anabolic response of resistance training.[3,4, 11-15]
This year Tipton and colleagues confirmed that bracketing your training with dose of essential amino acids before and after resistance training will ensure a direct increase in muscle protein for the rest of the day.[15] If performed every training session, the results are sure to accumulate to form slabs of new, lean muscle.
From all this research, it seems as though bodybuilders have two unique opportunities to receive a potent muscle building effect from supplementation that will lead directly to gains in muscle mass. The first is just before training and the second is soon after.
The added benefit of Micronized Creatine . . .
The powerful effects of creatine supplementation on muscle growth are well documented. Athletes who use creatine grow bigger, stronger muscles than those who don’t.[19] If we look to the limited research on creatine supplement timing, it shows us that consuming creatine with carbohydrates directly after exercise results in better muscle uptake and higher total muscle creatine and muscle glycogen levels[16-18].
Therefore, to obtain the maximal growth effect possible from resistance training, the timing of the intake of certain nutrients, such as glucose, rapidly absorbing protein and creatine, seems all important, and this evidence has become more compelling as time progresses.
What is the Bracketing Method?
The Bracketing Method involves taking one serving of Creatine HSC with one serving of VP2 Whey Isolate in 15 ounces of ice-cold water, immediately before and after training.
Sounds like good advice to me..
Paul Cribbs Loves Pre workout shakes!
Couple of quotes....
"The Texan scientists then demonstrated that the presence of a high level of amino acids (the building blocks of muscle protein) in the blood (via IV infusion) increased the muscle growth response of resistance training by around 100%.[2]"
So far, the researchers at the University of Texas Medical Branch had showed that weight training dramatically stimulates muscle protein synthesis rates (50% above resting levels).[5] The addition of a protein supplement accelerated these rates even further (up to 100% better).[7] Then these scientists demonstrated that supplementing with the essential amino acids and 35 grams of glucose stimulated muscle building rates by up to 400%![13] This is triple resting rates and the highest muscle protein synthesis rates ever recorded.
However, probably even more important was the finding in another study by these scientists that the same supplement combination caused a response just as potent if taken just before a workout.[12]
Since then, the advantages of post-workout protein/carbohydrate supplementation have come flooding through. Consuming a protein/carbohydrate supplement immediately after training restores insulin levels, increases muscle protein and glycogen content, amplifies the anabolic response of resistance training.[3,4, 11-15]
This year Tipton and colleagues confirmed that bracketing your training with dose of essential amino acids before and after resistance training will ensure a direct increase in muscle protein for the rest of the day.[15] If performed every training session, the results are sure to accumulate to form slabs of new, lean muscle.
From all this research, it seems as though bodybuilders have two unique opportunities to receive a potent muscle building effect from supplementation that will lead directly to gains in muscle mass. The first is just before training and the second is soon after.
The added benefit of Micronized Creatine . . .
The powerful effects of creatine supplementation on muscle growth are well documented. Athletes who use creatine grow bigger, stronger muscles than those who don’t.[19] If we look to the limited research on creatine supplement timing, it shows us that consuming creatine with carbohydrates directly after exercise results in better muscle uptake and higher total muscle creatine and muscle glycogen levels[16-18].
Therefore, to obtain the maximal growth effect possible from resistance training, the timing of the intake of certain nutrients, such as glucose, rapidly absorbing protein and creatine, seems all important, and this evidence has become more compelling as time progresses.
What is the Bracketing Method?
The Bracketing Method involves taking one serving of Creatine HSC with one serving of VP2 Whey Isolate in 15 ounces of ice-cold water, immediately before and after training.
Sounds like good advice to me..
Tiggis
Don Juan
Soy Sucks.. Heres why...
Some research on the toxic estrogenic effects of soy:
Levy et al, "Effects of prenatal exposure to the soy phytoestrogen
genistein on sexual differentiation" PSEBM 208, 60, 1995.—Shows the effects of soy diet and poor sexual development.
Lyn-Cook et al. "Methylation profile and amplification of
protooncogenes (cancer causing) in rat pancreas induced with
phytoestrogens" PSEBM 208, 116 1995.
Petrakis et al. "Stimulatory influence of soy on breast secretion in
pre-and post menopausal women" Cancer Epidemological Bio-Markers Preview 1996 Oct 5:10, 785-94.
Hilakivi-Clark, et al. "Maternal genistein exposure mimics the effects of estrogen on mammary gland development" Oncology Reports 1998 May/June 5(3)609-16. ---links soy intake with breast cancer.
Ishizuki, et al. "The effects on the thyroid gland of soybeans
administered experimentally in healthy subjects" Endocrinology in Japan 1991 May 20 67:5, 622-9.—Shows the damaging effect of soy protein on the thyroid gland.
Suzuki, et al. "Plasma free fatty acids, inhibitor of extra thyroidal
conversion of T4-T3 and thyroid hormone binding inhibitor in patients with various non-thyroid illnesses. Endocrinology In Japan Oct 1992 39:5, 445-53.---More evidence of bad news for the thyroid and soy intake.
Whitten, et al. "Potential adverse effects of phytoestrogens" Journal of Nutrition 1995 March 125:3.
Ganse, R. "Causes of food allergies" School Food Service Journal
V40(4), May 1986 pp38-39.—Soy has its own food allergy rating—significant at that.
Obermeyer, et al. "Chemical studies of phytoestrogens in related
compounds" Proc soc exp bio med 1995 Jan 208(1):6-12.—Soy components responsible for food allergy.
Lonnerdal, B. et al, "The effect of individual components of soy formula and cows' formula on zinc bioavaibility," American Journal of Clinical Nutrition V. 40 Nov 1984, pp. 1064-1070.—Study showing how even Cows milk is much better for a baby than soy, and that soy inhibits zinc uptake.
FACT: Babies fed soy-based formula have 13,000 to 22,000 times more estrogen compounds in their blood than babies fed milk-based formula. Infants exclusively fed soy formula receive the estrogenic equivalent of at least five birth control pills per day.
FACT: In animals, soy feeding indicates that phytoestrogens in soy are powerful endocrine disrupters.
FACT: Premature development of girls has been linked to the use of soy formula and exposure to environmental estrogen-mimickers.
FACT: Furthermore, numerous studies show that soy foods cause
infertility in animals.
FACT: Tofu was consumed by Buddhist Monks to REDUCE libido.
FACT: Soy may inhibit certain cancers but it also appears to have cancerous materials in it.
FACT: soybeans are being used in genetic engineering being combined with pesticides to reduce cost of spraying. You want to eat more pesticides? You want to eat genetically modified foods?
Phytoestrogens: Panacea Or Poison?
The male species of tropical birds carries the drab plumage of the female at birth and 'colors up' at maturity, somewhere between nine and 24 months.
In 1991, Richard and Valerie James, bird breeders in Whangerai, New Zealand, purchased a new kind of feed for their birds - one based largely on soy protein.47 When soy-based feed was used, their birds 'colored up' after just a few months. In fact, one bird-food manufacturer claimed that this early development was an advantage imparted by the feed.
A 1992 ad for Roudybush feed formula showed a picture of the male crimson rosella, an Australian parrot that acquires beautiful red plumage at 18 to 24 months, already brightly colored at 11 weeks old.
Unfortunately, in the ensuing years, there was decreased fertility in the birds, with precocious maturation, deformed, stunted and stillborn babies, and premature deaths, especially among females, with the result that the total population in the aviaries went into steady decline.
The birds suffered beak and bone deformities, goiter, immune system disorders and pathological, aggressive behavior. Autopsy revealed digestive organs in a state of disintegration. The list of problems corresponded with many of the problems the Jameses had encountered in their two children, who had been fed soy-based infant formula.
Startled, aghast, angry, the Jameses hired toxicologist Mike Fitzpatrick. PhD, to investigate further. Dr Fitzpatrick's literature review uncovered evidence that soy consumption has been linked to numerous disorders, including infertility, increased cancer and infantile leukemia; and, in studies dating back to the 1950s,48 that genistein in soy causes endocrine disruption in animals.
Dr Fitzpatrick also analyzed the bird feed and found that it contained high levels of phytoestrogens, especially genistein. When the Jameses discontinued using soy-based feed, the flock gradually returned to normal breeding habits and behavior.
The Jameses embarked on a private crusade to warn the public and government officials about toxins in soy foods, particularly the endocrine-disrupting isoflavones, genistein and diadzen. Protein Technology International received their material in 1994.
In 1991, Japanese researchers reported that consumption of as little as 30 grams or two tablespoons of soybeans per day for only one month resulted in a significant increase in thyroid-stimulating hormone.49 Diffuse goiter and hypothyroidism appeared in some of the subjects and many complained of constipation, fatigue and lethargy, even though their intake of iodine was adequate.
In 1997, researchers from the FDA's National Center for Toxicological Research made the embarrassing discovery that the goitrogenic components of soy were the very same isoflavones.50
Twenty-five grams of soy protein isolate, the minimum amount PTI claimed to have cholesterol-lowering effects, contains from 50 to 70 mg of isoflavones. It took only 45 mg of isoflavones in premenopausal women to exert significant biological effects, including a reduction in hormones needed for adequate thyroid function. These effects lingered for three months after soy consumption was discontinued.51
One hundred grams of soy protein - the maximum suggested cholesterol-lowering dose, and the amount recommended by Protein Technologies International - can contain almost 600 mg of isoflavones,52 an amount that is undeniably toxic. In 1992, the Swiss health service estimated that 100 grams of soy protein provided the estrogenic equivalent of the Pill.53
In vitro studies suggest that isoflavones inhibit synthesis of estradiol and other steroid hormones.54 Reproductive problems, infertility, thyroid disease and liver disease due to dietary intake of isoflavones have been observed for several species of animals including mice, cheetah, quail, pigs, rats, sturgeon and sheep.55
It is the isoflavones in soy that are said to have a favorable effect on postmenopausal symptoms, including hot flushes, and protection from osteoporosis. Quantification of discomfort from hot flushes is extremely subjective, and most studies show that control subjects report reduction in discomfort in amounts equal to subjects given soy.56 The claim that soy prevents osteoporosis is extraordinary, given that soy foods block calcium and cause vitamin D deficiencies.
If Asians indeed have lower rates of osteoporosis than Westerners, it is because their diet provides plenty of vitamin D from shrimp, lard and seafood, and plenty of calcium from bone broths. The reason that Westerners have such high rates of osteoporosis is because they have substituted soy oil for butter, which is a traditional source of vitamin D and other fat-soluble activators needed for calcium absorption.
Some research on the toxic estrogenic effects of soy:
Levy et al, "Effects of prenatal exposure to the soy phytoestrogen
genistein on sexual differentiation" PSEBM 208, 60, 1995.—Shows the effects of soy diet and poor sexual development.
Lyn-Cook et al. "Methylation profile and amplification of
protooncogenes (cancer causing) in rat pancreas induced with
phytoestrogens" PSEBM 208, 116 1995.
Petrakis et al. "Stimulatory influence of soy on breast secretion in
pre-and post menopausal women" Cancer Epidemological Bio-Markers Preview 1996 Oct 5:10, 785-94.
Hilakivi-Clark, et al. "Maternal genistein exposure mimics the effects of estrogen on mammary gland development" Oncology Reports 1998 May/June 5(3)609-16. ---links soy intake with breast cancer.
Ishizuki, et al. "The effects on the thyroid gland of soybeans
administered experimentally in healthy subjects" Endocrinology in Japan 1991 May 20 67:5, 622-9.—Shows the damaging effect of soy protein on the thyroid gland.
Suzuki, et al. "Plasma free fatty acids, inhibitor of extra thyroidal
conversion of T4-T3 and thyroid hormone binding inhibitor in patients with various non-thyroid illnesses. Endocrinology In Japan Oct 1992 39:5, 445-53.---More evidence of bad news for the thyroid and soy intake.
Whitten, et al. "Potential adverse effects of phytoestrogens" Journal of Nutrition 1995 March 125:3.
Ganse, R. "Causes of food allergies" School Food Service Journal
V40(4), May 1986 pp38-39.—Soy has its own food allergy rating—significant at that.
Obermeyer, et al. "Chemical studies of phytoestrogens in related
compounds" Proc soc exp bio med 1995 Jan 208(1):6-12.—Soy components responsible for food allergy.
Lonnerdal, B. et al, "The effect of individual components of soy formula and cows' formula on zinc bioavaibility," American Journal of Clinical Nutrition V. 40 Nov 1984, pp. 1064-1070.—Study showing how even Cows milk is much better for a baby than soy, and that soy inhibits zinc uptake.
FACT: Babies fed soy-based formula have 13,000 to 22,000 times more estrogen compounds in their blood than babies fed milk-based formula. Infants exclusively fed soy formula receive the estrogenic equivalent of at least five birth control pills per day.
FACT: In animals, soy feeding indicates that phytoestrogens in soy are powerful endocrine disrupters.
FACT: Premature development of girls has been linked to the use of soy formula and exposure to environmental estrogen-mimickers.
FACT: Furthermore, numerous studies show that soy foods cause
infertility in animals.
FACT: Tofu was consumed by Buddhist Monks to REDUCE libido.
FACT: Soy may inhibit certain cancers but it also appears to have cancerous materials in it.
FACT: soybeans are being used in genetic engineering being combined with pesticides to reduce cost of spraying. You want to eat more pesticides? You want to eat genetically modified foods?
Phytoestrogens: Panacea Or Poison?
The male species of tropical birds carries the drab plumage of the female at birth and 'colors up' at maturity, somewhere between nine and 24 months.
In 1991, Richard and Valerie James, bird breeders in Whangerai, New Zealand, purchased a new kind of feed for their birds - one based largely on soy protein.47 When soy-based feed was used, their birds 'colored up' after just a few months. In fact, one bird-food manufacturer claimed that this early development was an advantage imparted by the feed.
A 1992 ad for Roudybush feed formula showed a picture of the male crimson rosella, an Australian parrot that acquires beautiful red plumage at 18 to 24 months, already brightly colored at 11 weeks old.
Unfortunately, in the ensuing years, there was decreased fertility in the birds, with precocious maturation, deformed, stunted and stillborn babies, and premature deaths, especially among females, with the result that the total population in the aviaries went into steady decline.
The birds suffered beak and bone deformities, goiter, immune system disorders and pathological, aggressive behavior. Autopsy revealed digestive organs in a state of disintegration. The list of problems corresponded with many of the problems the Jameses had encountered in their two children, who had been fed soy-based infant formula.
Startled, aghast, angry, the Jameses hired toxicologist Mike Fitzpatrick. PhD, to investigate further. Dr Fitzpatrick's literature review uncovered evidence that soy consumption has been linked to numerous disorders, including infertility, increased cancer and infantile leukemia; and, in studies dating back to the 1950s,48 that genistein in soy causes endocrine disruption in animals.
Dr Fitzpatrick also analyzed the bird feed and found that it contained high levels of phytoestrogens, especially genistein. When the Jameses discontinued using soy-based feed, the flock gradually returned to normal breeding habits and behavior.
The Jameses embarked on a private crusade to warn the public and government officials about toxins in soy foods, particularly the endocrine-disrupting isoflavones, genistein and diadzen. Protein Technology International received their material in 1994.
In 1991, Japanese researchers reported that consumption of as little as 30 grams or two tablespoons of soybeans per day for only one month resulted in a significant increase in thyroid-stimulating hormone.49 Diffuse goiter and hypothyroidism appeared in some of the subjects and many complained of constipation, fatigue and lethargy, even though their intake of iodine was adequate.
In 1997, researchers from the FDA's National Center for Toxicological Research made the embarrassing discovery that the goitrogenic components of soy were the very same isoflavones.50
Twenty-five grams of soy protein isolate, the minimum amount PTI claimed to have cholesterol-lowering effects, contains from 50 to 70 mg of isoflavones. It took only 45 mg of isoflavones in premenopausal women to exert significant biological effects, including a reduction in hormones needed for adequate thyroid function. These effects lingered for three months after soy consumption was discontinued.51
One hundred grams of soy protein - the maximum suggested cholesterol-lowering dose, and the amount recommended by Protein Technologies International - can contain almost 600 mg of isoflavones,52 an amount that is undeniably toxic. In 1992, the Swiss health service estimated that 100 grams of soy protein provided the estrogenic equivalent of the Pill.53
In vitro studies suggest that isoflavones inhibit synthesis of estradiol and other steroid hormones.54 Reproductive problems, infertility, thyroid disease and liver disease due to dietary intake of isoflavones have been observed for several species of animals including mice, cheetah, quail, pigs, rats, sturgeon and sheep.55
It is the isoflavones in soy that are said to have a favorable effect on postmenopausal symptoms, including hot flushes, and protection from osteoporosis. Quantification of discomfort from hot flushes is extremely subjective, and most studies show that control subjects report reduction in discomfort in amounts equal to subjects given soy.56 The claim that soy prevents osteoporosis is extraordinary, given that soy foods block calcium and cause vitamin D deficiencies.
If Asians indeed have lower rates of osteoporosis than Westerners, it is because their diet provides plenty of vitamin D from shrimp, lard and seafood, and plenty of calcium from bone broths. The reason that Westerners have such high rates of osteoporosis is because they have substituted soy oil for butter, which is a traditional source of vitamin D and other fat-soluble activators needed for calcium absorption.
Tiggis
Don Juan
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Even the most current amino acid assessment will show that soy will be rather limited in cysteine and methionine unless these a.a. are added after processing. Plus there is concern about the available glutamine content after processing. It would also be interesting to see whether or not the trypsin inhibitors in soy protein have been removed in the newer products.If they have not, then soy protein will still have limited assimilation
Even the most current amino acid assessment will show that soy will be rather limited in cysteine and methionine unless these a.a. are added after processing. Plus there is concern about the available glutamine content after processing. It would also be interesting to see whether or not the trypsin inhibitors in soy protein have been removed in the newer products.If they have not, then soy protein will still have limited assimilation
Nightwing
Master Don Juan
I've heard of stuff like Myoplex which is problably what youre talking about. You can get that type of stuff from any health food store like GNC, It's pretty expensive, but there are also cheaper brands of the same stuff if you look around.
Re: Hers is where that idea came from.
Sounds good to me too and I love VP2 post workout although I can't think what they are trying to show when they say it is 615% more effective - that means nothing in my view - so you have to take any "research" like this i.e. obviously commissioned by AST with a little bit of caution as most studies can be made to show the desired positive results.
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