Match.com and other dating websites

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Hey guys,

I've had a few girlfriends suggest I subscribe to an online dating site to meet more people, they've mentioned a few people they know who have used them (and I know some myself) and since I've been single for awhile, wanted me to try it out. I generally have no problems meeting people, but like I said, I've been single for awhile so it couldn't hurt to expand to a new market, right?

Anyway I did a quick search for dating site reviews, and I found the responses interesting, at best.

My neighbors used Eharmony and had no complaints, so I checked them out. Very low ratings. A lot of complaints about fake profiles, can't tell who is a paying user and can respond, and it's really, really expensive.

The other site I checked out was Match.com, simply because I know they're fairly popular. I know a guy who's met a couple good looking girls from it in the past, plus I admit I liked their ad for their "guarantee". However, this is what I found in regards to their reviews:

* A lot of "fake" profiles, namely gorgeous women. Almost every review suggested that it was a marketing trick by the company, where the hottest girls all email you right when your subscription ends to get you to pay to see emails.

* While there were a lot of profiles, you can't tell who is a member and who isn't, where non-members can't respond to your messages.

* I read their "guarantee": You must initiate communication with at least 5 unique members every 30 day period of your subscription, must have your profile picture active at all times (you have a 5 day window at registration to make sure your profile is 100% complete), and at the end if you have followed all rules, you have a specific 7-day window to apply for your extension. On top of that, if you don't meet all of those criteria and apply in the correct window, your subscription is automatically renewed for the 6 month period, with no opportunity for refund.

Have you guys found the same experience with online dating sites? I realize I may be in the wrong area; people usually go to review sites to write bad things, which is why I'm hoping for a less-biased crowd here.

On a side note, I created my profile on match.com to browse, and in the last day already had 4 people try to contact me, which could suggest that there are a lot of fake ads. I also browsed plentyoffish.com, and while the quality of girl there may not be as good, at least it's free so anyone can respond to emails. In one day I'm 1 for 1 in email responses.

Let me hear your other experiences, though!
 

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Most pay dating sites use fake profiles and bots (computer program sending out fake messages) to sucker in unsuspecting men. Yahoo Personals was recently sued in a class action lawsuit for posting fake ads and they settled out of court. I know match.com has also been sued for the same.

E-Harmony is a christian dating site parading as a general site. The owner is an evangelical christian. Also, 25% of people who fill out their "personality profile" are rejected. I've heard that if you put that you're an atheist in your profile you'll most likely get rejected. Most of their matches are junk. They will match you with people who live 100 miles away even though you clearly state that you're not willing to drive more than 25 miles in your preferences.

I used to have a profile on POF. Plentyoffish is the bottom of the barrel as far as dating sites go, but it's free and I guess beggars can't be choosers. It's filled with fat chicks, baby mama's on welfare looking for a meal ticket, and AW's getting off on male attention. In my zipcode there is an 8/1 ratio of men to women. They don't delete inactive profiles. You also can't wink or IM other users. I mostly got hit up by fat chicks on it.

I no longer participate in online dating because for me it was just a crutch because I didn't have the balls to approach in real life. I'm not saying it can't work, but in my case it doesn't. The types of women I'm interested in (physically attractive, emotionally and financially stable) get plenty of offers in real life and would never need to join an online dating site anyway. Sarging women in the real world is much easier.

On a side note, there are numerous threads on online dating sites in the archives of this site. You should take a look.
 

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jobluek said:
I generally have no problems meeting people,
Let's be honest here. If this were true then you'd have no need for online dating.
 

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ok, i have been on e harmony and didnt think it was all that good. I have also tried smooch which was a lot better. Illicit encounters is for people in relationships who want to stray, again okish.

Work keeps me busy, so i only used the websites to pick up guys that i thought cold sort me out and be on there way. I werent really looking for a relationship like you are. If i were to look for a realtionship i would suggest smooch and friends reunited dating is also good. I dated a guy for 2 years after meeting him on there.

Just remember one thing, if you do use these websites, try playing it cool, dont be too intense, it can be very frightening. It certainly puts me off. Good luck x
 

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I live in the dc area and what i have encountered are a bunch of angry women and women with issues (anything from attention *****s to chicks with stds) never use a online dating website. Its better to cold approach.
 

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My mom married a guy off match and my GF's sister did also... I'd say those matches were just luck of the draw. I tried it for 6 months but I got all of maybe 3 replies after 50 emails sent out... There just weren't enough women that seemed like a match for me to cover more numbers... plenty of hot looking women, but since you have an opportunity to read what they are about (unlike cold approaches) I didn't tend to email any that would likely bore me in conversation. In the end I found that I do a lot better in real life.
 

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there are over 1400 dating sites to choose from. Social net working sites like FACE book, craigslist, myspace, yearbook ,etc.....require slightly different skills and designing one cool profile with lots of pics. Free dating sites (theres a few) are for people who are cheap and have low numbers of quality members. Paid for sites offer more variety and clietelle is above that of free sites.

First are you prepared for online dating.........what is your objective, what type of relationship are U seeking, did U design your own profile, do U have cool, adventerous pics of yourself, what type of female are you seeking, have you designed your initial first contact email, your no response email, how are you going to extract her digits, the list goes on and on.

There are a few programs for online dating, many of which are variations on a theme, but the basics all have to be there. I would suggest starting of on the free sites for practice of your online game skills. Then progress to a paid for site. Investing in a program/dvd might not be fully comprehended unless you have some sort of experience with online dating.

I rather enjoyed INSIDERS DATING-dave M easy to use and covers the basics. Many people believe this is the cowards way to meet people.....as it does little to build confidence and or character. Online mastery requires dedication and a skill set to truly reap the full benefits of the net.

Its not as easy as everyone claims.........as quality women require a slightly different skill. If you rely on net dating for social interactions YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST.

U may try a speed dating event or cold/day game approaches.

in my book I cover about 100 pages dedicated to Net dating with lots of secret tips from the best of the best advice.
 

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I don't really post much here anymore but I'll offer some advice as I have a lot of experience with dating sites. I'll break them down into a few different categories:

Pay sites like eharmony/match/yahoo personals:
These sites, oddly enough, are probably the worst for ROI. The quality of women on these sites are MUCH higher (orders of magnitude) than free sites and there are way more women on these sites than free sites. Sounds good, so whats the problem you ask? You will get WAY less responses from women on these sites. Unless you make it you full time job emailing women thoughtful letters all day you will not get replies. I suppose these is because women on these sites are paying for membership so they will only talk to who they think is the creme of the crop. What is their criteria based on? Who knows, probably 80% looks. Since you are also paying per month and it requires a lot of time/effort to get a decent amount of replies, the ROI is horrible. Match.com guarantee is not a scam, I signed up for 6 months, applied for the guarantee and they gave it to me without issue. Still a waste of money IMHO. I still have my free 6 months from match but don't even use it because it's not worth my time.

Free sites such a plentyoffish/okcupid/etc:
Quality of women much lower and the male/female ratio is very much out of whack. At least 10:1 in most cases. Of course you can still find quality women in free sites but they are far and few in between. Most women are fat, have kids, or are just attention *****s. The ROI on free sites are not as bad as paid sites but here is the key problem with free sites. Women on these sites aren't investing anything (money) so they don't really take anybody seriously on these sites and are just attention whoring and looking to validate their ego. You will get much more responses but they will almost never lead to anything other than exchanging a few emails then they will ADD and loose interest. In comparison to paid dating sites, nearly all women are serious about dating and if you do get a response from a woman on a paid dating site its almost guaranteed at least one date will come from it.

Craigslist Personals:
Craigslist deserves its own category since it doesn't operate like either paid or free sites. This method of online dating, oddly enough, has the highest ROI and requires the least effort to meet women. For one reason or another, craigslist has better quality women than free sites (but worse than paid sites) and are less flakely than free sites. The effort here is also minimal and you don't even need to post pictures to get responses. If this were a year ago I would say forget paid and free sites and exclusively use craigslist for your online dating. The problem with this option these days (mainly within the last month or so) is that craigslist has been completely taken over by spam and the women have pretty much deserted the site. If you live in a major metro and post an ad in ANY of the personals sections, including strictly platonic, you will get at minimum 20-30 autoreply spam bots to your posting. Also, if your browse ads from w4m in an attempt to email women, you will discover than 95%+ of ads are fake ads posted by spam bots. On some days, its 100%. For these reasons I can't really recommend craigslist anymore as it's a complete waste of time for the most part unless you get extremely lucky.

I hope this helps.
 

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U GOTTA Luv it when guys state that NET dating doesnt work or is a waste of time.

TOTALLY UN TRUE...........I CONJECT that they are UNSKILLED.

-FACT 26 MILLION WOMEN HAVE USED THE NET TO FIND A MAN
-FACT OVER 100 BILLION DOLLARS HAVE BEEN MADE FROM NET DATING
-FACT TONS OF HOT CHICS ON NET DATING SITES
-FAMOUS PEOPLE ARE ON NET DATING SITES

Now there are some cons to net dating...........as in any seduction venue.
Net dating has its place, it is a lot of FUN ONCE U HAVE THE SKILL SET.

The skill set is simple...........heres the secret..............are you ready.............

ALL U GOTTA DO IS..........................COPY WHAT WORKS............TAH DAH!!!!!!!!

simple HEADLINE OPENERS THAT ROCK AND A CLEVER EMAIL AND U GET ACCESS TO A BACKSTAGE PASS TO MEETING THIS CHIC IN PERSON.

all the other crap that people spew (gotta design a cool profile, gotta have a great picture, blah blah blah..............AMOUNT TO ALMOST NOTHING)

BUT i CAN SPEW ANYTHING RIGT NOW..............just as someone else cant contradict my post. SO WHO ARE U GOING TO INVEST IN.............


AGAIN I WILL STATE THE SECRET...............COPY WHAT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!! and see for yourself.

I know...............cause when I started out 8 years ago...........I thought net dating was for losers............TIL I CRACKED THE CODE.............

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Point blank. Use social networking sites, i.e. MySpace and Facebook. They are free and allow you to fine tune your skills a bit easier, since you're dealing with everyday people who HAPPEN to be online versus people who doctor their look because they are trying to find a man.

POF is also decent since its low maintenance.
 

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Very good insights COD.

I agree. Online game (dating sites) requires "different" type of game than club game, day game, etc.
 

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YOu and the women are more picky online,but you'll see plenty of women who are unrealistic in what they want,AW's,etc. If in a bigger metro area, it might be OK, but not in small rural areas. The other thing you need to look out for are the russian or nigerian scams[don't buy the ticket for them to visit][I didn't fall for it, but some men have].
 

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This is exactly why I say f**k internet dating!

COD said:
U GOTTA Luv it when guys state that NET dating doesnt work or is a waste of time.

Internet dating is not for everyone. That's why so many fake profiles exist on these websites!

TOTALLY UN TRUE...........I CONJECT that they are UNSKILLED.

In most of these sites, it's all about the look. If you're not gorgeously sexy, don't waste your time.

-FACT 26 MILLION WOMEN HAVE USED THE NET TO FIND A MAN

I bet they were ugly attention wh**es or had a lot of baggage.Why would a drop dead gorgeous woman need to use the net to find a man when they could EASILY get one in a hot second cuz of the overpopulation of desperate men.

-FACT OVER 100 BILLION DOLLARS HAVE BEEN MADE FROM NET DATING

Well, that part's true.

-FACT TONS OF HOT CHICS ON NET DATING SITES

Yeah, fake ones and hookers and cam girls who want you to masturbate to them and flakes.

-FAMOUS PEOPLE ARE ON NET DATING SITES

Maybe to promote themselves, their music, a product, or to invite b**ches to a f**k party at their plush mansion. If you were famous, you'd do this sh*t too.

Now there are some cons to net dating...........as in any seduction venue.
Net dating has its place, it is a lot of FUN ONCE U HAVE THE SKILL SET.

Most men don't even entertain that sh*t.

The skill set is simple...........heres the secret..............are you ready.............

ALL U GOTTA DO IS..........................COPY WHAT WORKS............TAH DAH!!!!!!!!

*collapses on floor* WTF?

simple HEADLINE OPENERS THAT ROCK AND A CLEVER EMAIL AND U GET ACCESS TO A BACKSTAGE PASS TO MEETING THIS CHIC IN PERSON.

Such as?

all the other crap that people spew (gotta design a cool profile, gotta have a great picture, blah blah blah..............AMOUNT TO ALMOST NOTHING)

You have to be on there a lot. You can't wait for girls to come to you. It just won't happen unless you look like Brad Pitt or Usher.

BUT i CAN SPEW ANYTHING RIGT NOW..............just as someone else cant contradict my post. SO WHO ARE U GOING TO INVEST IN.............

Just use real world approaches.

AGAIN I WILL STATE THE SECRET...............COPY WHAT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!! and see for yourself.

Copy and past a message, how pathetic. You could send a message to a girl and you'll be waiting 4 days (if you're lucky) or 4 weeks for a reply.

I know...............cause when I started out 8 years ago...........I thought net dating was for losers............TIL I CRACKED THE CODE.............

WTF is it?

MJ
Read between the damn lines.
 

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listen to this guy so negative his experience was.........cause he lacked skills online.

FOR THE RECORD.........NET DATING IS ONE OF THE LOWEST FORMS A PU ARTIST CAN USE TO MEET WOMEN........but it does work.

I got responses in as little as 3 minutes.........again U gotta have the little secrets and theres tons of REAL hotties on line..........yes they get emailed tons of fan mail.......BUT......theres ways around that too........TRUST ME........I THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF..........it really is amazing if U know the INSIDERS INTEL.
 

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i'm trying to learn more about net dating because i believe a lot of people in the future that i will be working with will most likely be involved or have been involved in net dating at some time.

So is it more about your profile, your first message, the unique subject names, or a combination or all of them?
 

Never try to read a woman's mind. It is a scary place. Ignore her confusing signals and mixed messages. Assume she is interested in you and act accordingly.

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THE ABOVE NEGATIVE GUY,,,,,,,,,,,,,,just doesnt know the secrets.

his experience has not been favorable......CLEARLY THATS OBVIOUS, NOW if I could show you and him a simple trick that is NOT realLy even a trick to geT more matches and phone numbers in not weeks but mere minutes THEN WILL YOU ADMIT it is a skillset and certain tactics DO WORK REGARDLESS OF LOOKS, INCOME, HEIGHT, WEIGHT, ETC.

You can choose to be like that negative guy or be one of the few that bang tons of chics online WHILE OTHERS GIVE UP.

AGAIN........I dont advocate online dating, but use it as a crutch only.
 

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HardTimes said:
you will discover than 95%+ of ads are fake ads posted by spam bots. On some days, its 100%. For these reasons I can't really recommend craigslist anymore as it's a complete waste of time for the most part

fwiw, the people still using craigslist will typically use a reference to the local sports team, world series game, super bowl, whatever is going on. Spam bots have not been able to reach this level yet. Real ads will also typically ask you to put specific words in the subject line.
 

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True story... In 99 yahoo personals was free. I was almost 20 and had only been with a couple of women. Strangely, women far outnumbered men on that site back then! I think men were too proud at that point.

In the fall of 99 - i hooked up with 3 women off of Yahoo personals. All 3 for sex and nothing more.

It was so easy; almost everyone responded to every message sent. I guess the freshness of talking about dating and sex through typed messages - was appealing to women.


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Since then, i-net dating had become bombarded with AFCs. And unfortunately - it makes women who most men wouldn't rate over a 5 - able to be ****y online. Seriously, you get sucked into this fail fail fail fail hole, and then you lower your standards and shoot for anything...

Hence, why even the ugliest girls will get hit on by somewhat decent looking guys online. Guys who wouldn't look at them twice in real life.

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2 years ago, i did an experiment for this site. I spent a whole summer picking up women on myspace (this was before facebook blew up). I don't remember the exact stats... But i think i sent about 10000 friend resuests to local women (large scale operation that i used bots to do). About 5000 emails. Exchanged about 100 numbers. Set up meets with about 40 women. Actually followed through with about 25 of them. Made out with 5, and had sex with 3.

In the end i estimated that i had spent over 1000 hours on myspace. And 3 lays was a horrible ratio.

But... my conclusion was that if i kept at it - i would have gotten better and better, and that a lot of people i had talked to but never followed through would have ended up coming through... but then... school was back in session and i was off to the races.
 

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Traffic on the merged thread in Archives si too low...

Put an updated profile on the net and getting some winks and e-mails. I have not responded to any out of lack of interest. But if I received contact from someone that was more alluring, I would. With some, I am thinking to myself 'are you serious????', a couple have been ok, some way out from neighboring cities which is a crack up, and I am good cougar bait.

Is it really rude not to respond? If I was at a bar or lounge and someone tried to catch my eye that I was not interested in or vice versa, there may not be any notice at all. In short, what is the point of responding saying 'not interested'?

Thanks.

BTW, there are some phenoms on match.com - they must get an s-load of contacts... right?
 

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I thought that there would be more 'round here that have at least tried out match.com.

And how this thread got over 1,000 views with very little substance - to me it says a lot.
 

Never try to read a woman's mind. It is a scary place. Ignore her confusing signals and mixed messages. Assume she is interested in you and act accordingly.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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