Mass Shooting - Why It Happened

[Bible_Belt]

A "near ambush" is one that occurs within 50 feet, according to the US Army, and they teach soldiers to rush that ambush. Don't take cover, don't run away, just run at the guy and tackle him. He might get one or two of us, but he's not going to get everybody.

If people knew that advice, and it was followed by the crowd at any mass shooting, the death toll would be reduced 90%. We force schoolchildren through shooter drills and teach them to cower in fear and wait to die. A classroom of six year olds could have taken out that wussbag nerd at Sandy Hook, but we will never teach kids the real skills to save their lives.

They are saying the Orlando shooter had a suicide vest, which I admit does complicate the idea of tackling him. But would you rather quiver in fear in a bathroom for an hour, waiting to be executed? If I'm going to go, I'm taking that sob with me.

ISIS mass shooters pick on easy targets. Like any bully, they want victims who won't fight back. Hank Williams Jr is playing a show at my local Harley-Davidson dealership next week. I don't think I'll go, but it's not because I fear an ISIS attack. These rednecks would have eaten that Orlando mother fvcker alive.

 

[Tenacity]

Why did this shooting happen? Because nobody in that club was packing heat and fired back at the shooter. This does not mean it's any of their fault, but it means that it might be time to arm more security guards and/or use more off duty cops for private security. One good guy's bullet can stop hundred's of bad guy bullets. Whenever this or other shootings have happened I never assume it's radical Islam at first. But in this case, they guy called 911 and pledged to ISIS. Nuff' said for me.

^^^ This.

Where in the hell was the security??

 

[Von]

^^^ This.

Where in the hell was the security??

Shooting the guy.

People in panic armed would have killed each other.

Why it happened the shooting? Cause crazy people have access to guns faster than a baby finds candies.

50 death, 1 guy.... **** it's more than France terror attack where like 5 terrorists had Ak47 and suicide vest

 

[LiveFreeX]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/orlando-mourns-possible-motives-emerge-club-gunman-073954739.html?nhp=1

New evidence suggests that he was a club regular. Gays killing gays. Expect this story to be swept under the rug as quickly as possible.

ORLANDO, Fla. - The FBI is investigating reports that Orlando gunman Omar Mateen had been a regular at the gay nightclub he attacked and had used gay dating apps, a U.S. official briefed on the case said Tuesday.

Not looking good for the Dems at this point.

The picture grew more complex as patrons of the Pulse came forward to say that they had seen the 29-year-old American-born Muslim there a number of times or that he had been using gay dating apps.

Jim Van Horn, 71, said Mateen was a regular at the club. "He was trying to pick up people. Men," Van Horn told The Associated Press. While acknowledging he didn't know Mateen well, Van Horn said: "I think it's possible that he was trying to deal with his inner demons, of trying to get rid of his anger of homosexuality."

How much you want to bet he caught his bf cheating?

 

[logicallefty]

Shooting the guy.

People in panic armed would have killed each other.

Why it happened the shooting? Cause crazy people have access to guns faster than a baby finds candies.

50 death, 1 guy.... **** it's more than France terror attack where like 5 terrorists had Ak47 and suicide vest

I think its time to make assault rifles disappear for the general public unless a need is demonstrated. But handguns, a need is demonstrated, it's called "the world". Everyone who can should pack heat. Background checks and psych evals will help keep the crazies from getting the guns. I'm OK with both. But man just one handgun in that club and this could have been a lot less of a tragedy. Still would have been some deaths, but not 50. And if the shooter didn't have an assault rifle and only a handgun, let's say, maybe a few deaths but probably no more than 5.

 

[speed dawg]

I think its time to make assault rifles disappear for the general public unless a need is demonstrated. But handguns, a need is demonstrated, it's called "the world". Everyone who can should pack heat. Background checks and psych evals will help keep the crazies from getting the guns. I'm OK with both. But man just one handgun in that club and this could have been a lot less of a tragedy. Still would have been some deaths, but not 50. And if the shooter didn't have an assault rifle and only a handgun, let's say, maybe a few deaths but probably no more than 5.

I think more people would be willing to have the gun ban discussion if the anti-gun group would acknowledge that it's the PEOPLE, then the guns. In that order. But to do that, you have to compromise. And that is not something the left is willing to do.

There is no doubt that ARs kill more people than other weapons (but probably less painful deaths too). However the left has to realize that simply banning ARs won't stop people from killing. And they can't just ADMIT this, they need to lay out a plan as to how they are going to deal with the PEOPLE.

Closing the borders would be a good start.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

There is no doubt that ARs kill more people than other weapons (but probably less painful deaths too).

Really? Please prove this with actual stats.

 

[Yewki]

Everyone who can should pack heat.

If people regularly walked around with guns, I would feel a hell of a lot LESS SAFE. There would be significantly more shootings and deaths

 

[speed dawg]

Really? Please prove this with actual stats.

Look man I'm pro-gun. Don't go crazy on me. I'm just saying it's easier to spray a lot of bullets with an automatic or semi-automatic gun. This shouldn't be a surprise.

I don't want to outlaw them, by the way. And no, I don't think they DO kill more people per year.......I'm simply saying they CAN. Because of more ability.

 

[FairShake]

People have committed mass shootings because of homophobia and latent homosexuality. White racism and black nationalism. Islamic terrorism and Islamophobia. Radical Christianity and militant atheism. Spurned by a woman or spurned by all women. Hatred of their job or unable to find work. Black, white, yellow, brown, and every shade inbetween. Temporarily insane to long term mentally ill to completely deadly rational. The motives change from shooter to shooter.

The tools don't. Mass shootings always use guns. Clearly something needs to be done about the availability of guns to people who want to do us harm. That's the one constant that half the country ignores.

As for armed security in loud, drunken, crowded clubs? Words and emojis cannot express how much "WTF" that elicits in me.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

People have committed mass shootings because of homophobia and latent homosexuality. White racism and black nationalism. Islamic terrorism and Islamophobia. Radical Christianity and militant atheism. Spurned by a woman or spurned by all women. Hatred of their job or unable to find work. The motives change from mentally ill shooter to mentally ill shooter.

The tools don't. Mass shootings always use guns. Clearly something needs to be done about the availability of guns to the mentally ill. That's the one constant that half the country ignores.

As for armed security in loud, drunken, crowded clubs? Words and emojis cannot express how much "**** no" that deserves.

You're right about the fully and semi automatics. Citizens really have no claim to those in the 2nd amendment.

But let's just be clear: there is no such thing as "Islamophobia" or "militant atheism."

A phobia is an irrational fear of something, and fearing Islam is very rational.

Atheism has no identity. It's like being a non astrologer. People who do not accept flying invisible friends in the sky are not a demographic of their own.

 

[FairShake]

A phobia is an irrational fear of something, and fearing Islam is very rational.

There are a billion Muslims in the world. Many of whom believe very different things. If you fear them all I recommend not leaving the house ever again.

Atheism has no identity. It's like being a non astrologer. People who do not accept flying invisible friends in the sky are not a demographic of their own.

If you murder Christians in a mass shooting motivated by your atheistic beliefs you are a militant atheist. Whether you are a coherent culture or not.

 

[LiveFreeX]

So it comes out this guy is gay and guess who gets blamed for it? Straight male father for oppressing his 'gay tendencies'. People calling for less straight male oppression lol... fvck u can't win with these liberal idiots.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

There are a billion Muslims in the world. Many of whom believe very different things. If you fear them all I recommend not leaving the house ever again.

If you murder Christians in a mass shooting motivated by your atheistic beliefs you are a militant atheist. Whether you are a coherent culture or not.

Try to keep up. You're in over your head on this one.

#1 - There are closer to 2 billion Muslims in the world (1.7B to be exact)

Secondly, so called Islamophobia is a careful play on language.

The word "Islamophobia" was invented after 9/11 by questionable Muslim agitator groups like Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) who has had 20 former members convicted of terrorism offenses. In Islam, it is forbidden to criticize the religion at all. So it is not at all a surprise that groups who want to impose Islam on the rest of the word created a word designed to blur the lines between criticism of the religion and ordinary xenophobia. The word is brilliantly devious because it says "Islam" not "Muslims", which tends to confuse gullible people as you've shown. The word exists to attach a "bigot" stigma to those who criticize the religion itself. Look at the word. ISLAM-OPHOBIA. Now have you read to Quran and the Hadiths, the bedrock of Islam? I have. And I've lived with 4 Muslims. Strictly what is in those texts is very much worth fearing. If you don't understand this, I recommend you educate yourself and think an inch below the surface before using a paper thin argument like "are you saying all Muslims???". The word Muslims never came out of my mouth, did it?

And once again, no such thing as militant atheism. 'Atheistic beliefs' never motivate people to do things because atheism is an identity like not collecting stamps is a hobby. Atheism is not a belief system.

 

[logicallefty]

Was it really the AR? Or was it that this guy had terrorist ties, his father supported the taliban, and yet we still let him get a gun?

It was the guy.. But the FBI must not have had strong enough probable cause to arrest him for anything. If they had they would have. As police we can investigate people to death but until that probable cause for arrest is established your suspect walks and can march his happy azz right over to the gun store.

 

[Bible_Belt]

probable cause for arrest

You make a good point, I agree. You should see if U of I Law will let you audit Crim Pro, meaning sit in...no credit but free. You would really like it. There were 60 students in my class at SIU; the two most interested in the subject were myself and a city police officer.

 

[FairShake]

The word Muslims never came out of my mouth, did it?

Oh sorry. Silly me and every one of the billion (actually closer to 7.4 billion) people in the world who think Muslims have anything to do with Islam.

Atheism is not a belief system.

Sure it is. It's a very wide set of mutually coherent beliefs. It's not a religious belief system but it certainly is philosophical and ideological.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Oh sorry. Silly me and every one of the billion (actually closer to 7.4 billion) people in the world who think Muslims have anything to do with Islam.

Sure it is. It's a very wide set of mutually coherent beliefs. It's not a religious belief system but it certainly is philosophical and ideological.

I just explained the origins of the word and why it's clear that it's a garbage, propaganda phrase with no context. You didn't really counter what I said, so are you willing to concede the point?

Atheism is only the absence of religion. So it's like being a non-hockey player. That's not a demographic. Atheism makes zero claims about the nature of reality. There happen to be a lot of scientists who are atheists, and science is based on facts and reason. Even "scientist" has no one identity or belief system like Christian or Muslim does.

 

[LiveFreeX]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/news/anderson-cooper-pam-bondi-lgbt-000000813.html

The left eating the left...

5:25 Sounds like she's saying Fvck you!

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America's traitor unwilling to say 'Radical Islam'... how disgusting and disrespectful to the people killed in every islamic terrorist attack.

 

[speed dawg]

Oh sorry. Silly me and every one of the billion (actually closer to 7.4 billion) people in the world who think Muslims have anything to do with Islam.

You are a moron. The non-radical muslims protect the radical ones. They all believe the same crap, the radicals are just the ones doing what muhammed told them to do. THAT is why islam is stupid, because a HUMAN twisted it up and concocted it. Islam has always been there though, it was the fallen religion of the hordes back in the Old Testament days.

Damn the muslims, I say. Damn every one of the savages. That is NOT anti-Christian of me to think/feel/say that.