Masculinity

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Let me start with one undoubtedly true fact: every philosophy has its imperfections. You can clearly see that when studying Zenon for example. By the term "imperfection" I mean the unclear parts, or those who can be doubted. Same goes to the whole Don Juan theory. Only by discussion with no preoccupation can truth be found. So all I ask of you is to free yourselves from any previous knowledge, therefore preoccupation, and start all over again, as if you were uninitiated. I urge you to reply, comment, be totally free with criticism. The more questions, the better. Besides, that's what the forums are all about.

I have some recollection about one of Pook's articles about masculinity. It's a great post, but I have some other points to make.

I don't believe that a truly "masculine" man will be showing off his power and influence. Contrarily, such thing would indicate lack of confidence. A truly confident Alpha male is not the show-off jerk. He is not the self righteous prick.

All that are valid, because a true Man knows he has the power, therefore he needs not prove anything to anyone through behavior that is too bold. Imagine a powerful man, who is his own boss, who has his own company and who knows his job perfectly, but has no clue about computers. Would he ever walk into a computer store and try to display his power? No. He would walk into that store and inquire, asking for the salesman's opinion and evaluating what he has learned, without the tone of arrogance. Sould he somehow be displeased with anything concerning that place, he would politely refuse their offers and leave, seeking what is good for himself and his company.

The same principles can be successfully applied to women, who have heard the illusionary strong men brag. A truly secure man, in my opinion, is never afraid to look into peoples eyes in a straight way; not with a hard-hearted look, but with a calm and evaluating one. I do that all the time (now that I have read some stuff here, at sosuave,com). Allow me to talk in first person from now on.

Another thing I do is I don't afraid of a situation in which, for example, I don't know something, or I am not sure about something. What I do is I ahndle it. When in a high level conversation, one does not know everything. So I'm not embarassed about it, like AFCs are. I inquire, which by definition means "ask to learn". That doen't take my confidence away, I use it to my benefit -self improvement, remember?

Same thing when I'm out with women. I'm not mean to anyone, but I don't kiss anyone's ass either. And the most important thing: I never look down on somebody. Some may say this sounds a lot like AFC, but it doesn't. I heave some very powerful examples that show that one must never underestimate his fellow man. That way I can also learn something I didn't know, or pass on my knowledge. That is the method Socrates used and he never failed. Why do you think he said that "I'm certain of only one thing, that I know nothing", when the Delphi oracle told him that he is the wisest man on earth? He said that because he wasn't self righteous and he never underestimeted anything. In fact, as soon as he was told that, he went up to polititians, orators, poets, searching the proof that the oracle was wrong.

Where am I getting at? With such an attitude, I can start any conversation easily, and carry on till the end of time (if the other person is willing to do so). This includes women. If they see that I don't underestimate their intelligence, they are more likely to talk to me freely. Be careful here: this doen't mean leading her to believe that she is the smatrest person on earth. You are the one who leads the conversation, but in a subtle manner. By asking the rigtht questions, I can convey any message I want and make anyone believe anything I want. The best part is the she is the one who reaches the conclusion that I believe is right, while I am not the one who dictated it to her. Of course, this doesn't work with small talk.

To sum up, always feel that YOU have the power. I believe it, I've made this feeling part of my way of thinking. Remember the days when you had to sit an exam. Ever noticed that guy who calmly waited both for the test and the results. When asked "why are you not nervous", he'd reply "I'll get the kind of mark that is in conjunction with the stydying I've done". You can't hope for an "A" when you don't remember the color of your book. If you don't expect miracles to happen, you are automatically confident. And if a miracle does happen, it's ok to be surprised. Think that the girl is a mathematical problem and you are taking an Algebra test. If you have studied and know how to solve it, you are not fail the test, therefore you are not going to spend the night alone. That is an example of how can your everyday life be associated with dating.

In order to convey my message more accurately, I'm going to use the most convincing example: if I tell you to punch a board of wood, you'll probably break your fingers. But have you ever thought how do those TAEKWONDO athletes do it? It's all about confidence. If you know that you have what it takes (speed, good tecnique) to brake that board, you will do so. I've seen a 6-year old fellow break a 3cm thick board (which I was holding) into pieces with his fist that seemed like the only thing it can break is an Easter chocolate egg. How did he do it? His teacher told him to. Being such a small boy, he daren't doubt his teacher, therefore he thought "if the teacher says so, I can do it and I must do it". So he did it. Those are the true results of confidence.
We, adults, have lost this asset of truly believing in something. We doubt. And that's bad when it comes to daring.

I've got more things to say, but only after a reply with as much criticism as it can bare. Thank you for your time.
 
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There's nothing in there that I specifically disagree with. It's very hard to read and I might have missed something though. I suggest you edit your post and put a space between paragraphs.
 

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i did'nt bother to read this post because i dont want to go blind....you need paragraphs dude. Keep things short and sweet.
 

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There you go. I hope this helps, although many have said I can get off topic easily, so bare that in mind. But I always return to the right path.

As I said before, I have great faith in the power of conversation, therefore I expect comments or arguments to be plentful.
 

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I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I also think what Pook was talking about was men being COMFORTABLE with their masculinity and especially their sexuality. THese days so many men have been conditioned to hide or be ashamed of their manlihood.

I believe that the attitude that you are speaking of (not bragging, being modest and being confident in your abilities) is the one that we all should stive for. It is also advocated in philosophies such as Taoism. (i.e. being like the water, conduct of the sage, etc).

However, this is how it SHOULD be, yet I believe that the usual modern young woman (I'm talking in the 17-23 or so range here, which is the one I have expereince in) has been conditioned to notice only certain superficial traits of a man. What they see of successful men on the TV or in magazines is what they think a man should be. It is not until they go out in the real world and start having more experience with men that the smarter girls start to come to their own conclusion of what "a great guy" is, if they don't settle down with a chump out of frustration first.

I think the number of positive male role-models have gone downhill recently, at least here in the states. We know this, and we also know that "great guys" are rather rare. Thus, I am of the opinion that if you are a truly confident, driven, well groomed and talented man, and if you don't let you success go to your head and act in accordance with your beliefs, then I think eventually you will score an excellent woman. Great women respond to great men. If on the other hand, you just want a ONS with any old girl, you might have to change your conduct a bit around her to something she is more accostomed to. Silent confidence and stoicism are great things in a man, but I believe they are traditionally of more seasoned and older men. Most younger girls are not used to seeing those traits, and might stick you in the "very interesting, but long term" bucket, if they are even attracted to you at all.

Being a great man is something we should all strive for, just be prepared for many people to overlook you for the braggart.

Robby
 

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Thus, I am of the opinion that if you are a truly confident, driven, well groomed and talented man, and if you don't let you success go to your head and act in accordance with your beliefs, then I think eventually you will score an excellent woman.
I'm telling ya folks, there are some smart peepz roamin around here.

But, don't take that sentence too light as it's a struggle to grow up into that.
 

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Who is Zenon?

Do you mean the greek philospher Zeno? and his paradoxes?

While I agree , that Masculine men shouldnt need to flaunt their powers..I think its almost a necessity..

just like Alpha Gorilla's Pound their chests, Lions make the loadest roars, Peacocks display the most attractive feathers, and Rams..butt heads to see who is stronger..

Just KNOWING you are stronger and more masculine isnt going to convince the world(or women) that you are (other wise we wouldnt have boxing, wrestling, tough man competitions)..

So yes, keep your masculinity ego checked..but dont be ashamed to flaunt your masculinity..because its the one thing that god has gifted you with
 

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I dont think that an inability to get/close on great women makes one less of a man. I think that this board supports the theory that MOST women have no clue as to how to pick a good man or what a "man" truly is. I don't disagree with your post but most real "men" I know are very nice guys. The problem is that nice just doesn't cut it in the minds of women. Most of the "real men" I know get treated like jerks by women.

I think that the articles on masculinity are based on the female perspective. I think that what most AFC's in the world would call masculine most of the women would ******dly agree with but inwarldy be turned off by it. Too many of us have been brainwashed by society into being gutless, non-men. Women still desire the so called manly man.

If what you're doing isnt getting you what you want, sometimes you have to do something different to get what you want. I would bet most of the guys on this board are confident in their masculinity. They know that being a braggadocious jerk doesn't make one a man. In the minds of most women, it obviously does. so the question is how do you get what you want? The answer is to give women more of what they want.

Its kind of sad but Im willing to be more of a "jerk" to get more of what I want. Ive had too many lonely nights. After learning to be more assertive and caring less, Im almost never lonely and even if I don't have a date ive learned that I can be alone and be fine. My joy is internal.
 
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