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There's been a lot of discussion here on the relationship of good looks and game. This is not just another "I'm right, you're wrong thread". None of it is scientifically proven, but it is what makes sense to me and hopefully will to you. I'm going really in depth here, so if you don't like reading, this isn't for you.
The most logical way to analyse the nature of attraction is from an evolutionary standpoint. The reason we are here today is because of our ancestor's success at seducing the opposite sex. The way our physical features have evolved over time is basically a reflection of our ancestors who got laid, but more on this later. Attractive features in men can be distinguished between masculine ones and "pretty" ones.
Masculine features are big muscles, prominent noses, jaws, brows, large canines. Pretty ones are small delicate facial features that can even be described as feminine or childlike. The men considered most physically attractive have a mix of these traits, and with level high contrast between them. Even Arnold, one of the masculine men you can imagine, has a delicate nose.
Masculine features trigger that instinct in a woman that desires physical security. A big strong man will be successful in protecting a woman from physical harm, and be successful at hunting and ensuring their continued survival.
Why woman are attracted to pretty features is more complicated. As humans we have evolved to become to the most social creatures on the planet. Therefore, our features evolved to become less threatening and intimidating. We no longer need to be able to take punches as well, bite with our sharp teeth and big jaws or pummel others with our big robust bodies. We now smile to show off our unintimidating teeth to make others feel at ease, instead of intimidation. The guys who DIDN'T look like they could rip you to shreds became more socially successful. That's why women evolved to become attracted to pretty features. They trigger the instinct in a woman that desires social success in life.
So what does this all mean? Am I saying looks DO matter? Nope. These looks will trigger that first impression in a woman, They'll trigger those instincts when a woman first sees you, but doesn't yet know you. Forntunately for less good looking guys, there is no actual relationship that I know of between our looks and our value and we humans, in our infinite complexity have much BETTER ways of satisfying her instinctual desires.
For example, when a woman see's a pretty boy, her instincts are telling her "hey, if you get with this guy you might become more socially successful, so she might go up to him and see if it's true. When a woman sees a guy actively being socially succesful (displaying good social skills, being confident. leading others, being respected), her instincts are telling her "if you get with this guy, you will definitely become more socially succesful", regardless of his physical attractiveness.
When a woman sees a masculine looking man, her instincts tell her "hey, maybe he can protect me, I want that!" However, if she approaches this masculine male, but he makes it clear he's not interested and won't use his power to protect her, or he is antisocial or violent and might even put her in danger, her interest dissapears. This is not true for men with high social value, as women are likely to consistently pursue them even after they show disinterest. When a non masculine looking man approaches her and shows her he can actually protect her from harm (through social power, big friends, bodyguards, whatever), the desire for physical security is satisfied.
So the point is looks will help create some initial, albeit hesitant, attraction. Handsome guys will get approached more, but will still get tested, so he'll have to "confirm" his good looks with good game, while a less attractive guys will have to approach her and surprise her with his good game. Good game is being able to consistently trigger her attraction instincts, good looks can only do that to a small, mostly initial degree. Therefore, good game wins over all.
If you doubt my neutrality and think I'm just some ugly guy trying make myself feel better. I'll tell you I'm 6ft2, in good shape and have been called everything from handsome to beautiful and have a modeling job lined up this summer. I'll also tell you that though I've gotten tons of girls initially interested in the past, I fvcked it up with all of them until I started developing myself and my game. Then once I had some game and I became ugly for a while (acne), I still was able to get girls.
Looks matter, but not if you have good game, which confidence is 99% of and confidence is all in your mind.
Hope this has been helpful. I'm open to any productive comments/opinions/arguments.
The most logical way to analyse the nature of attraction is from an evolutionary standpoint. The reason we are here today is because of our ancestor's success at seducing the opposite sex. The way our physical features have evolved over time is basically a reflection of our ancestors who got laid, but more on this later. Attractive features in men can be distinguished between masculine ones and "pretty" ones.
Masculine features are big muscles, prominent noses, jaws, brows, large canines. Pretty ones are small delicate facial features that can even be described as feminine or childlike. The men considered most physically attractive have a mix of these traits, and with level high contrast between them. Even Arnold, one of the masculine men you can imagine, has a delicate nose.
Masculine features trigger that instinct in a woman that desires physical security. A big strong man will be successful in protecting a woman from physical harm, and be successful at hunting and ensuring their continued survival.
Why woman are attracted to pretty features is more complicated. As humans we have evolved to become to the most social creatures on the planet. Therefore, our features evolved to become less threatening and intimidating. We no longer need to be able to take punches as well, bite with our sharp teeth and big jaws or pummel others with our big robust bodies. We now smile to show off our unintimidating teeth to make others feel at ease, instead of intimidation. The guys who DIDN'T look like they could rip you to shreds became more socially successful. That's why women evolved to become attracted to pretty features. They trigger the instinct in a woman that desires social success in life.
So what does this all mean? Am I saying looks DO matter? Nope. These looks will trigger that first impression in a woman, They'll trigger those instincts when a woman first sees you, but doesn't yet know you. Forntunately for less good looking guys, there is no actual relationship that I know of between our looks and our value and we humans, in our infinite complexity have much BETTER ways of satisfying her instinctual desires.
For example, when a woman see's a pretty boy, her instincts are telling her "hey, if you get with this guy you might become more socially successful, so she might go up to him and see if it's true. When a woman sees a guy actively being socially succesful (displaying good social skills, being confident. leading others, being respected), her instincts are telling her "if you get with this guy, you will definitely become more socially succesful", regardless of his physical attractiveness.
When a woman sees a masculine looking man, her instincts tell her "hey, maybe he can protect me, I want that!" However, if she approaches this masculine male, but he makes it clear he's not interested and won't use his power to protect her, or he is antisocial or violent and might even put her in danger, her interest dissapears. This is not true for men with high social value, as women are likely to consistently pursue them even after they show disinterest. When a non masculine looking man approaches her and shows her he can actually protect her from harm (through social power, big friends, bodyguards, whatever), the desire for physical security is satisfied.
So the point is looks will help create some initial, albeit hesitant, attraction. Handsome guys will get approached more, but will still get tested, so he'll have to "confirm" his good looks with good game, while a less attractive guys will have to approach her and surprise her with his good game. Good game is being able to consistently trigger her attraction instincts, good looks can only do that to a small, mostly initial degree. Therefore, good game wins over all.
If you doubt my neutrality and think I'm just some ugly guy trying make myself feel better. I'll tell you I'm 6ft2, in good shape and have been called everything from handsome to beautiful and have a modeling job lined up this summer. I'll also tell you that though I've gotten tons of girls initially interested in the past, I fvcked it up with all of them until I started developing myself and my game. Then once I had some game and I became ugly for a while (acne), I still was able to get girls.
Looks matter, but not if you have good game, which confidence is 99% of and confidence is all in your mind.
Hope this has been helpful. I'm open to any productive comments/opinions/arguments.
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