martial arts with bulking?

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Hey

Does doing martial arts effect bulking up

im doing a martial arts names goju kia and it has heap loads of conditioning, running strecthing ect

and i continue weight training 3 times weakly

i mean how will it effect my bulking up everything in martial arts conditions the body or is cardio

any thoughts cheers :D
 

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I don't know whether martial arts affects bulking but what i do know is that bulking does have a negative effect on martial arts (depending on what kind of martial art u practice.) I, myself, am a wing chun practitioner, and in wing chun all of our strikes/blocks are done from the center line. Consequently, u need to be flexible. Bulking up too much restricts your range of movement. For example, if your pecs are too huge they might prevent you from striking efficiently from your center line so that when you are engaged in a fight you are basically helping your opponent to kick your @ss --which I call self thrashing :rolleyes: .

Basically, I think bulking up is great, but you shouldn't over bulk, esp., if you want to become a great martial artist. But if you insist on bulking up, just follow a consistent lifting routine. (Sheitz, pple started to notice that i was gettin bigger after only three weeks of lifting.) thats my two cents :cool: ...

good luck

*I'm gonna be hokage*
 

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make sure you finish your weightlifting 8 hrs before martial arts, or do it on a seperate day. remember, muscle needs rest to grow, and if you just finish lifting and then do an hour of intense cardiovascular workouts, then you wont be getting any noticable results.

make sure you stretch all the time, to retain your flexibility. if you stretch, you wont become musclebound.

right now, I go to the gym 5 days a week, usually in the morning after breakfast, then, about 8-12 hrs later in the evening, I'll do my 1 hour of Muay Thai training. Even with this system, I still have a hard time putting on mass (sometimes I wish I was short, getting the bulky look on a 6'2 frame takes so much effort), here's a recent pic http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/mishob/nov_2004.jpg
 

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Originally posted by MindOverMatter
make sure you finish your weightlifting 8 hrs before martial arts, or do it on a seperate day. remember, muscle needs rest to grow, and if you just finish lifting and then do an hour of intense cardiovascular workouts, then you wont be getting any noticable results.

make sure you stretch all the time, to retain your flexibility. if you stretch, you wont become musclebound.

right now, I go to the gym 5 days a week, usually in the morning after breakfast, then, about 8-12 hrs later in the evening, I'll do my 1 hour of Muay Thai training. Even with this system, I still have a hard time putting on mass (sometimes I wish I was short, getting the bulky look on a 6'2 frame takes so much effort), here's a recent pic http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/mishob/nov_2004.jpg
Do you mind telling me about your whole training plus diet scheme?

I box and try to incorporate weight lifting with intense cardio sessions.
 

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Well everybody is different, but it's certainly buggered up me.

Yesterday I was squatting. Today low and behold, 100 hindu squats straight off. Then Thai kicks for half an hour.

Bulking requirements are lots of food, lots of rest. Heavy, infrequent training.

My advise is to ease off the MA, bulk for a month or two then focus back on the MA for two months etc, etc.

Alot of people here do ridiculus WT routines. Keep it short and stick to compounds. I've done hip belt squats, SLDL, OHP and rows for 3x6-8 ish and only 2 times a week.

I've put on 14lbs in just under 10 weeks and I can still see my abs (just)

I still do MA twice a week, but have dropped a lot of conditioning work. I focus on skill work on the wooden dummy and keep sessions short.

I would also do yoga, Qi Gong or something like that as I feel it aids relaxation and recovery.
 

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Here's my weight training routine.

Monday - Arms (GVT)
10x10 Barbell Curl (use 60% of your 1RM)
10x10 Dips
3x10-12 Reverse Wrist Curls
3x10-12 Wrist Curls

at the moment im doing a 6 week cycle of german volume training for my arms, if it gets me good results, i'll start applying it to other areas, will let you all know

Tuesday - Chest
4x 4-6 DB flat bench/BB flat bench (alternate every week)
4x 4-6 DB incline bench
2x 4-failure -Chest dips
2x 10-15 Cable crossovers

Wed - Shoulders
(Decided not to do any front lateral isolation, since they get worked enough with Millitary & bench press)
4x4-6 Arnold Press / Barbell Millitary Press (I alternate every week)
4x4-6 Side Lateral Raises
4x6-8 Rear Lateral Raises
4x 10-15 Shrugs (used to do it in a low rep range, minor results, trying increased rep range)

Thur - Legs
4x4-6 Squats
4x 13-15 Standing Calf raises
4x6-8 Leg extensions
4x6-8 Hamstring curl


Friday - Back
4x as many as you can Pullups
4x As Man as you can - close grip chins, palms facing you
4x 4-6 Deadlifts
4x 6-8 barbell rows
4x 6-8 Close-grip Tbar Row (alternate every week)

note, at the moment I don't have a dip belt (it broke and i have to get a new one), so I have to do my pullups/chinups in high rep ranges (i dont like to use the cable pulldown machine)

Most of my rep ranges are low for strength training purposes, except for muscle groups where there isn't a big range of motion involved in the exercises (i.e. calves, flexors, extensors, traps)

edit - also this is somewhat of a high volume routine, my body seems to respond better to it then low volume training, your body may be different. if that's the case, do less sets.

For most of my exercises, I bring up the weight in 1 second, lower it in 4 seconds (so every rep takes 5 secs)

Abs every second day. I like to alternate between 4 sets of 25 machine crunches, and 4 sets of 50 reverse crunches. I do them all very slowly.

My muay thai training is like 10 minutes of warm ups / stretching, 15 mins of shadowboxing, the rest just sparring.

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Diet, it's pretty simple. I don't have a set routine, I pretty much change it all the time based on what I have in my fridge, but I always try to eat clean:

1.) giant breakfast - oatmeal, poached eggs, whole wheat bread with some butter on it, some fruit, glass of milk, glass of juice, my vitamin supplements.

then go work out

2.) immediatly afterwards - 1 500ml bottle of grape juice & creatine, then 1 500ml bottle of milk +3 scoops whey (in total, it's like 100g carbs, 100g+ protein)

3.) my next meal is usually 2-3 chicken breasts (I buy them in bulk at priceclub / costco), or if I get sick of chicken, I'll eat some steak or salmon.

4.) then before muay thai, have 2 meal replacement shakes.

5.) After muay thai, supplement with another post workout 500ml milk + 3 scoops of whey shake.

6.) some high protein / low carb / no fat beef jerky. it's like 34g of protein, like 6g of carbs, and 0g of fat. costs like $4 at shoppers drug mart here in canada.

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edit - i stretch all the time. in the morning, before lifting, after lifting, before muay thai, before sleep.
 

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i couldn't gain any weight when i was doing martial arts so i quit it and concentrated on my bulking instead.
 

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You can gain weight, just gotta do it way after your workout (8rs or more), on seperate days, and ALWAYS supplement after martial arts. That's the important part, if you want to grow, you gotta take whey after everything that's phyiscally demanding, including martial arts.
 

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do u also take dextrose after cardio/MA?


btw i think your body is pretty impressive - maybe some pounds more and you have my favourite look. but everybodys taste is different, of course. how long do you work out?
 

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No I don't take dextrose after muay thai, at least not at the moment. As for the second question, I really can't say bro, I've been working out for a long while, but I havent always taken it seriously. I started it about 2-3 years ago, and for a long while, I didn't do it right. I'd use routines that overtrained me, didn't supplement, and didn't have a bodybuilding diet. Also back then I drank a lot. So needless to say I didn't make a lot of progress.

But since february, i've been training properly, eating properly, supplementing, etc. I'm pretty happy with the way I look, I could use maybe 15 more lbs to break 200, but that's it.

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