Male Chavinism convo with Feminist i met

Pandora

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I was talking to a smart chick at a party who happens to be a self proclaimed feminist. She was average looking but she was one of those nerdy types. I told her my view on how chicks have tendencies that can be considered weak. This includes manipulative behavior, lack of integrity and herd mentality (typical SS topics discussed about women). She brought up a good point. She agreed with me the modern female in the United States is quite messed up. She attributes this to socialization not biology. But she stated that men also exhibit maladaptive characteristics. She made a case that men’s aggression, and proclivity to violence is something that is not admirable either.


She made the point that men using violence to resolve disputes is just as repulsive as the low quality female behaviors. I pointed out that men handle stressful situations better and don’t resort to crying and plays for sympathy as often as women do. She made the counterpoint that in the long term crying and complaining (venting) is probably a more effective reaction to stress than stoicism.

The point is that she kind of convinced me that a lot of the hard core misogyny is unwarranted. That both sexes have their faults. Even though I still think women have less admirable character traits, after speaking with her I am less hardcore of about my chauvinism. I don’t know some days I try to be less misogynistic and critical with the female sex, and then other days its hard to justify their behaviors. What do yall think?

ps i try to avoid using the term misogyny when i can. most men here do not have hatred of women. We just recognize that there are differences. I think male chauvinism is a better word.
 

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I don't see the logic in hating women for who they are. Would you get mad at a cat for not behaving like a dog? Yes, men and women both have their flaws. Neither sex is "better." How would you even define "better?"

A lot of the misogyny expressed on these forums is just guys venting. Obviously they don't hate women because, ultimately, this is a place where guys come to learn how to be successful with them. You see the same kind of thing on women's forums. They ***** about how "boys are so heartless" and lament that there are "no more good men."

Women are what they are. You can resent them for it, or you can just accept reality and use the knowledge you have gained about them for your benefit.
 

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Pandora said:
She made the counterpoint that in the long term crying and complaining
(venting) is probably a more effective reaction to stress than stoicism.
She has missed the point that crying and venting does nothing to change ineffective behavior in a woman that brought about her upset in the first place.

Oh sorry, I forgot that women do not do wrong, make mistakes, or act badly . My bad.
 

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Talking to an intern at work, she rambled off into fat acceptance land. How women need to love their bodies no matter what and need to be proud of their curves (she was built like a hiphop video model sexy as hell), I mentioned to her that her language was just encouraging women to be fat. And that a woman can be as fat and happy with herself as she wanted to be, but don't be mad when men of substance don't want to date her. She then threw out Oprah and Monique as examples of fat women with great husbands, to which I replied...Oprahs dude won't marry her, and Moniques dude is a nobody who got on the gravy train and now she's desperately losing weight trying to keep him. To which she agreed. Then she agreed that fat women have worse dating options than attractive women. But still they should accept themselves and not change for a man. Oh the doublethink. I asked her how would she feel if her baller husband left her because she got fat and did she expect him to stay if she did. She said she didn't care because they have a child and he would be forced to take care of her regardless. Ugh. So I asked her what would happen if he went broke tomorrow and had to work at walmart for the rest of his life. She said that would be unacceptable. So I connected the dots for her...he wants a hot wife, and she wants a husband with money and status, if she keeps up her end of the deal he'll keep up his...she had never thought about it like that before. She thought she deserved him even if she was a fat lazy ass. In the end..I told her she could stand to hit the gym, while she was thick she was little flabby, to which she agreed at first, but then got offended. LOLOLOLOL. She keeps coming to hang out around my office because I keep popping her pretty little bubble.

Its funny how they will quickly accuse you of being chauvanistic but if you talk to them they will agree, and then feel like they have to immediatly disagree to maintain some diginity of their point. And I understand why. When you are the weaker sex you cannot constantly submit when society tells you that you are not the weaker sex.

Of course I would never have these sort of conversations with women I was dating or interested in as they kill attraction. The game is played through subcommunication.
 

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C&P'd from The Spearhead.

Now I guess there are a few book titles that may be considered sexist toward women, such as How Women Manipulate or That *****: Protect Yourself from Women with Malicious Intent. But even those are pushing it. Now I have no problem with poking fun at each other, or books with titles such as Women are Crazy, Men are Stupid and Why Men Don’t Listen and Women Can’t Read Maps. We shouldn’t take ourselves too seriously and I think it’s fine if men and women make a few sexist jokes from time to time. It takes the edge off. But the discrepancy and double standard here is simply ridiculous. Just look at the list one sleepless night and Amazon.com can put together:

  • Why Men Are Clueless
    Let’s Face It, Men Are @$$#%\c$,
    Are Men Necessary (the answer is, from what I can tell, no)
    Adam’s Curse (men are going extinct and that is a good thing)
    The Descent of Y (ditto)
    Stupid White Men (with a chapter titled “The End of Men” again, that’s a good thing)
    How to Get Stupid White Men Out of Office
    Why Women Should Rule the World
    Why Women Should Rule the World (different than previous)
    Why Women Should Rule the World (again, different than previous)
    Men Who Hate Women and the Women Who Love Them
    Christian Men Who Hate Women
    Men Are Not Cost Effective
    Can Female Power Save the Planet: The Fate of the World Depends on Women
    The Future–If There Is One–Is Female (let’s go ahead and reduce men to 10% of the population)
    Things You Can Do with a Useless Man
    The Natural Superiority of Women
    The Chalice and the Blade (or as I call it, The Vagina and the Penis, basically matriarchies = peaceful, patriarchies = lots of death)
    Societies of Peace: Matriarchies Past, Present and Future (ditto)
    The Deepening Darkness: Patriarchy, Resistance and Democracy’s Future (patriarchy is, from what I gather, quite bad)
    101 Reasons Why a Cat is Better than a Man
    101 More Reasons Why a Cat is Better than a Man
    Why Dogs Are Better than Men
    101 Lies Men Tell Women
    The Fragile Male: The Decline of a Redundant Species
    How to Make Your Man Behave in 21 Days or Less Using the Secrets of Professional Dog Trainers
    Men Are Dogs
    Men Are Dogs: In the Best Possible Way (I guess that’s better than the last one)
    Stupid Men Jokes
    Totally Stupid Men
    Why I Hate Men
    Why I Hate Men (different than previous)
    I Hate Men (surprisingly, there is actually a complimentary I Hate Women book in this series)
    I Hate Men (different than previous, but with no complimentary book)
    I Hate Men Who…
    100 Damn Good Reasons Why it’s OK to Hate Men
    Men We Love to Hate
    Why Men Hate Women (because the opposite question obviously doesn’t need to be asked)
    Boys Are Stupid, Throw Rocks at Them (yeah there’s a short book along with the t-shirt, the complimentary book is Girls Are Weirdos but They Smell Pretty)
    Why Are Men So Bloody Stupid?
    I’m with Stupid (And by that she means some guy of course)
    Rule Number 1: Men are Stupid
    Completely Stupid Men
    Totally Stupid Men
    Men Are Stupid… And They Like Big Boobs
    Man Has Lost His Damn Mind: The Stupid Things Men Do
    Dogs Are Stupid: After All, They’re Man’s Best Friend!
    Little Book of Totally Stupid Men
    Little White Whys: A Woman’s Guide Through the Lies Men Tell and Why
    The S.C.U.M. Manifesto (Society for Cutting Up Men)
    Over 70 Zingers You Can Use to Send Him Packing
    How to Aggravate a Man Every Time
    Ditch That Jerk
    Kiss-off Letters to Men
    A Bad Man is Easy to Find
    Men Who Can’t Love
    Why There Are No Good Men Left
    Demonic Males
    No Good Men
    How to Catch Him With His Pants Down: and Kick Him in the Assets (haha, get it?)
    The Woman’s Book of Divorce: 101 Ways to Make Him Suffer Forever and Ever
    Hit Him Where it Hurts: The Take-No-Prisoners Guide to Divorce-Alimony, Custody, Child Support and More
    He Had it Coming: How to Outsmart Your Husband and Win Your Divorce
    He’s Just No Good for You
    Get Rid of Him
    The Woman’s Way of Divorce: 101 Ways to Make Him Suffer Forever and Ever
    Beat Him at His Own Divorce
    Cutting Loose: Why Women Who End Their Marriage Do So Well (*cough* alimony *cough* child support *cough*)
    Kick Him to the Curb And Keep On Smilin’!
    How to Heal the Hurt by Hating (hating men of course)
You can read the whole thing here:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/06/27/misandry-a-reading-list/


Explain to me again how it's men who're the Chauvinists?
 

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Carefull you may be cast as a cynical burnt-out old man......a sad flustrated unsucessful misogynist.....

hahahahahahahahahah

Over and Out.
 

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Pandora said:
I was talking to a smart chick at a party who happens to be a self proclaimed feminist.
Stop.

Excuse yourself from her immediately.
 

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I'm glad you came to some realization here. We all have our faults, and you are both right. Isn't it nice to have an intellectual and meaningful conversation with somebody for once? So much of our interpersonal interaction is just such superficial, mindless babble.
 
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