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I am curious on what everyones stand is on this? I am not talking about girls you are just banging or what not. I am talking you have singled this girl as a possibility and are taking it to the LTR.

I personally dont like it. I do not feel that I am being insecure, I do not care if she has guy friends and what not I feel no jealousy I just think an ex is an ex for a reason and you once had "something" with that person its easy when hanging out to fall back into that frame.

I do not approve of this but I am interested to hear about everyone else opinions on the matter as it seems to be more socially acceptable or happening alot. What would you do should this issue come up?
 
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I could not of said it better myself.. That is exactly how I feel....

Anyone else opinions?
 

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it could either be 2 things. she either doesn't have that much respect for you and is willing to ruffle your feathers and risk losing you (because frankly she doesnt care) OR she is one of those liberal types that feels like a girl needs to be 'free' and not 'shackled' by societal conditioning (have cake and eat it too).

either way, not good.
 
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Danger said:
I have a clear rule. No hanging out, entertaining or commisserating with ex's, without exception.

We all know that he would keep fvking her if he could. So it is not about "trust" as women like to hide behind. It is about respect for the relationship. I do not expect her to hang around guys that want to fvk her, nor will I hang around girls that want to fvk me.

Some girls will hem, haw, b1tch, complain and call you insecure and controlling. You lay out your boundary and you stick with it. If she chooses to leave because she would rather have her orbiters, then trust me, you made the right decision and you are better off without her.

I would much rather choose random lays and fvk buddies than a relationship with a woman who insists on retaining her soft-harem of orbiters, whether it includes ex's or not.
Strictly for argumentitive purposes. Would'nt it be hard for a really hot chick to have friends that would not want to **** her?
 

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Wouldn't it be.easy for even a really hot chick that is really interested in her man to give up these superficial relationships in the face of possibly losing her man?
 

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Danger said:
Just to add to this,

The best analogy I can think of is.....if you had prostitutes for friends.

We know orbiters want to fvk the girl. That is a given. But would your gf be concerned if you hung around women who wanted to fvk you?

Of course she would be. And *still* this is not a fair comparison since you would have to pay for the fvking. But your gf would know the availability of sex was still there for you, and it would drive her mad. So why should she retain this same power over you and hide behind the social meme of "just friends"?
... but that analogy doesn't quite work because women aren't that interested in casual sex inasmuch to even pay for it now, are they?
We have a huge incentive fvck any female "orbiter" we might have, but I think we can't fault our girlfriend for using her orbiters as a sex source.
I am not opposing your main argument, your way of getting there slightly contradicts one of the core ideas we have here: Women's ultimate objective isn't sex.
 

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Danger said:
Ah but it is. Who says girls are not interested in casual sex?


Let's not forget the formula...


(Right guy + Right place + Right moment) = Casual sex


It is only when women reach their late 20's that they put more emphasis on a stable relationship, mostly due to their declining ability to attract a man of higher value.
I see your point. I am thinking, isn't it usually for a higher dimensional motive, though?

Right guy = alpha guy
Right time = no better long-term prospects at the moment,
Right place = I won't be labeled as a slvt under the circumstances

My guess is it's rarely "casual" , unless we are talking of the ideal woman :D , but I may be wrong.
 

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I'm going to provide an outlier here guys: my ex-gf (together 7 years) is, in the eyes of most guys, a solid 8. She is definitely pretty. And I am not at all attracted to her. I keep in touch with her occasionally and have asked her to take care of my cats a couple times (we were dating when I/we got them) and asked her opinion of some houses for sale that I've viewed. I think -- but don't have any corroboration -- that her boyfriend does not like this. In fact, after she petsat my cats the other week she was angry and told me to never contact her again. She blamed her new job but I think -- at least IMO -- she went overboard with her reaction so maybe her BF was pressuring her. But honestly I have no desire to bang her at all. Just not attracted to her. Would I bang her if she got naked, laid down and said do me? I suppose, but that has nothing to do with whether I'm interested in her. I just don't care. In fact, if I were busy I'd tell her no. And she isn't going to strip and ask me to f*ck her nor do I hope or care whether she does that.
 

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Been there. In plain language, it's a confession of cheating during your relationship with her. And an announcement that she's not going to protect your feelings by hiding it anymore. They played you for a fool, and now that the deed is done, your relationship with her is ruined. It's over. In fact, it was over as soon as she started making herself available to other men, eyeing other men in the store, and so forth. You just pretended you didn't see the red flags. You allowed yourself to be played for a fool. It still could have happened if she took great efforts to hide the cheating, but of course, part of the reason for cheating is to hurt you as badly as she can, so she's not going to hide it fully.

This is as honest as woman usually ever get about it. She's still hoping you're a much bigger fool and you'll pretend you don't get the hint, pretend that a cheater will magically become faithful, etc.

When you actually learn the lesson, you'll pack up and move out. Until then, you haven't learned it.
 

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I've gotten into fisticuffs with a few guys here on this issue, i don't really have a problem with it. Well let me rephrase, it's something under the right circumstances i can tolerate it.


There are three things you have to take into considertation

1. Regardless of how much a woman likes you, it's selfish to ask a woman.. or **** a man for that matter to drop every guy she has ever talked to just beucase you are paying her attention and you might date her. I would go so far as to say that's unrealistic. I mean, that' sjust not gonna happen. You can put this big thick ass line in the sand and call every girl who kept in touch with an ex a ***** and a bad girl if you want but it's not going to make life any better

2. I've said a few times, that a woman will show you what she is to you, you can't make her anything she isn't willing to be. a woman who wants to date you will show you time and time again with her actions. With that said, i don't have a problem with a woman talking to an ex beucase i don't have any pre concived notions of what she is going to be to me at the end of the day, and until i am 100000000% sure that she isn't talking to anyone else, I'm going to keep spinning plates. You can talk to your ex all you want, call him every once a month or whatever you like doing. i you won't ever hear one peep out of me about anything, but that entire time, don't even consider asking me to stop seeing anyone. tic for tat. just like that.


In short, I'm not going to put anymore work into our relationship than you are putting in. if we are a going on a date every week fvck one or 2 times a week type but i am still talking to my ex relationship, i'm going to do that and i'm going to go o out with someone else this week and fvck her too. if you don't like it, you gotta give something up.


My dad's best friend ended up marrying an ex of my dad's., my dad and her talk all the time there isn't **** there. my ex came out here on vacation earlier this year, we had them over, had dinner, **** her and my wife went shopping lol. I mean.. there just isn't anything there. when i met my wife she was still in contact with an ex of hers.. i never gave her any beef over it but when she put my feet tot he fire and we had our first real what are we talk i told her point blank i like you but until he's OUT of the picture and I am 10000000% sure he's out, no phone calls, no hey how are you doings, no nothing, we won't be dating and I will keep doing as I 'm doing now. When I met amber, a girl i ended up dating for a year some change she had just got out of a 6 year relatiosnhip.. inf act it wasn't a sure thing that she wanted me over him.. the dude had his **** together, he's an engineer and he's good looking, i've seen him. But, eventually she really wanted to date and i knew they were even stil having sex.. so i kept doing mythnig. never gave her **** about anything but told her dont' expect me to settle down utnil i know he isn't' in the picture.

to me, this entire conversion/debate is a non starter. you shouldnt' be giving a **** beucase you should be spinning plates. and you shouldn't ever treat a woman like a LTR beucase you think she might be one you don't treat her any different from anyone else. I mean, there are a lot of girls that i dated that had ex's in the picture they couldn't get past, but taking this hard lbine stance is unnecessary and it's unrealistic. that's not how it works in the real world. Kat (my old GF/oneitis) has my Alaskan Husky Rico you think i'm not going to go see him when I'm in little rock? my wife doesn't' give a **** either way but if she did, she would just have some hurt ass feelings.

honestly if anything it made my plate spinning easier. not only could i do it guilt free, but he was more than happy to take up her time when i was busy with someone else.

it could either be 2 things. she either doesn't have that much respect for you and is willing to ruffle your feathers and risk losing you (because frankly she doesnt care) OR she is one of those liberal types that feels like a girl needs to be 'free' and not 'shackled' by societal conditioning (have cake and eat it too).

either way, not good.
my whole point is, why SHOULD she be worried about losing you she just fvckign met you. I mean, let's reverse shoes let's say I met my wife and she knew about my ex who i stay in contact with from time to time, there isn't anything there, but we talk every once in a while keep in touch. and she told me on our 2nd date that if i were to have any chance with her that my ex, who i have known since i was 13, who has my dog, whose wedding i went to... i'd laugh my ass off and take her ass home. not beucase my wife is not a catch but at the time she had not done anything or shown me anything worth dropping everyone in my life for. it has nothing to do with me wanting or not wanting to fvck my ex, my now wife, on our first date, had not built up that kinda good will. regardless of how much of a catch she is you aren't going to just meet me, and come here and run my **** and tell me who i can and cannot talk to. you ain't done jack **** yet or proven to me jack ****. you have to earn that kinda clout.

and when the time came, she didn't have to tell me to cut out the other girls i wanted to. but you have to build up to that.


I mean.. **** at the end of the day, what are you really accomplishing with this stance? I mean if she is thinking about fcking him and you tell her to not do it, and she agrees, do you really think that this is going to be the decision that saves your relationship? you don't think she is going to fvck the first guy who looks at her the right way that gives her the feeling, just out of spite lol? ti's just so stupid to me on so many levels. not only is it stupid there is no possible way to come out of it with the upper hand. you look like an insecure douche making declierations like that. when a woman likes you she will make it known she is getting her act together. I knew when my wife stopped answering her ex's calls that she was getting serious about me.
 

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It's the man's place to draw a "big thick ass line in the sand," and it's the woman's place to stand by her man no matter where he draws it. If a man doesn't show a woman where his side begins and ends, how can a woman show a man she's taking his side? How can either one of them know if they are or ever were on the same team, or if they wandered apart? If a man refuses to draw that line for a particular woman, she's not his woman. If a woman crosses that line, he's not her man.

Single people associate with single people, but only in public places or with chaperones. Even today, it's easy as screaming "rape" to ruin a young man's chances at a professional career. Married people associate with married people of the same sex, or only as couples with other couples. No inappropriate situations. No hanky panky. Social etiquette is basically very practical advice based on centuries of observations of the bad effects of libertine behavior on individuals and on society.
 
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Danger said:
Originally Posted by Boilermaker

I see your point. I am thinking, isn't it usually for a higher dimensional motive, though?

Right guy = alpha guy
Right time = no better long-term prospects at the moment,
Right place = I won't be labeled as a slvt under the circumstances

My guess is it's rarely "casual" , unless we are talking of the ideal woman , but I may be wrong.



Right time is more about, spring break, girls night out, just had a fight with the boyfriend, ovulating (and thus most desiring of a short-term fling), etc,...

The other point I want to make is about motive versus desire. A 30 something woman has motive to find a man and marry him for the security and provisioning he provides. However that does not preclude her from the desire to secure the alpha genes.

Allowing girls nights out is one thing (which you of course should allow her to do).......But allowing her to cavort with ex's is a very foolish endeavor to consider, especially since he almost certainly had enough alpha for her to fvk him in the first place.






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Originally Posted by backbreaker

I've gotten into fisticuffs with a few guys here on this issue, i don't really have a problem with it. Well let me rephrase, it's something under the right circumstances i can tolerate it.


There are three things you have to take into considertation

1. Regardless of how much a woman likes you, it's selfish to ask a woman.. or **** a man for that matter to drop every guy she has ever talked to just beucase you are paying her attention and you might date her. I would go so far as to say that's unrealistic. I mean, that' sjust not gonna happen. You can put this big thick ass line in the sand and call every girl who kept in touch with an ex a ***** and a bad girl if you want but it's not going to make life any better

2. I've said a few times, that a woman will show you what she is to you, you can't make her anything she isn't willing to be. a woman who wants to date you will show you time and time again with her actions. With that said, i don't have a problem with a woman talking to an ex beucase i don't have any pre concived notions of what she is going to be to me at the end of the day, and until i am 100000000% sure that she isn't talking to anyone else, I'm going to keep spinning plates. You can talk to your ex all you want, call him every once a month or whatever you like doing. i you won't ever hear one peep out of me about anything, but that entire time, don't even consider asking me to stop seeing anyone. tic for tat. just like that.


In short, I'm not going to put anymore work into our relationship than you are putting in. if we are a going on a date every week fvck one or 2 times a week type but i am still talking to my ex relationship, i'm going to do that and i'm going to go o out with someone else this week and fvck her too. if you don't like it, you gotta give something up.




^^^

I completely agree. This should never be an issue with a plate. If she pushes you to be exclusive you say.....



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"I can't take you seriously as long as you have other men in your life".


This should resolve any problems with someone who is not exclusive with you.


It is only if you are exclusive with a woman and she starts the "I'm hanging out with an ex" kind of stuff that you point back to the "I can't take you seriously" phase.

No woman who respects her man will continue cavorting with ex's if he puts his foot down. And no man can have a relationship with a woman if she does not respect him.

Make no mistake, when she brings up hanging with ex's and you are exclusive with her, she is TESTING your masculinity and your frame. Are you too scared to lose her and thus allow her to do what she wishes? Or are you willing to next her for a woman who doesn't feel the desire to see men that used to jam their c0ck in her?
So you said when in exclusivity and she starts hanging out with the ex...

In what way do you go about "I cant take you seriously" phase? Explain?

I am thinking stop being so "Lovey" & "into her" being more aloof and using her mainly for sex and stop doing so much of the relationship stuff and start spinning plates again?

Or do you tell her straight up saying hey you doing this **** makes me not take you seriously.
 

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your real problem OP is that you were tpoo quick to make her your girlfriend and now you have no leverage. you can't dangle the exclusivity carrot over her head beucase you've already given it to her.

this is why you spin plates. Not only does a girl have to show you she is a better fit than the other plates to be exclusive with you, you also get to sit back and take some time to weed out some of the issues shem ight have or that might be a problem once you are exclusive. in other words, you meet ag irl you go on 2 really good dates in 2 weeks and you start dating her, she can hide an ex BF int hat time period. but she can't do it for 2-3 months. in 2-3 months whatever egative baggage a woman might have is gonna come out in the light and then you can nip it in the but.

Amber tried that with me. After our 3rd date she wanted me to start dating her. i said no, i like you but im' not in a rush. the next week i happen to go to a club and see her lip locking with a dude that turned out to be an ex. when i first got our date with her the first one she told me he was out of the picture. he wasn't. at all. she wanted to have her cake and eat it too. and i wasn't mad.. okay maybe a little but i told her im' not going to stop talking to her but at the same time, nothing is gonna happen between you and me until i am 010000% sure he's gone.

i really don' tsee your situation as salvageable honestly. you can't come out and tell her not to do something because you will look week
 
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