Lover/Provider Dichotomy is Over: Three Tier System Now

[Bigpapa]

This. Right here.

Pseudo-intellectual pontificating about things.

Blah blah blah

well , art of seducing or art of making money is just art . It is not science

every person has to have its own journey , as nothing is 100% applicable . To simply things , what works for me it might not work 100% to you , so you will have to change some things ( smaller or bigger ) in order to make it work also for you .

it is the same thing as going to the tailor with your clothes to make them fit perfectly

 

[Bigpapa]

Women have way more casual sex and sport ****s than men

the affinity to casual sex I think thst it is better seen as opportunities vs actually happening

men , usually if they are horny enough , they will drop standards , while women will rarely do this

usually the ons and casual sex are with guys who plate them ( mainly because they are not as cool as the other prospects they have ) . Basically with guys thst have a higher smv than them

 

[Bigpapa]

As a guy, it's nearly impossible to conceive of how women experience sex and abundance.

Sex is so easy for women it's the equivalent of us opening our mouths and breathing in oxygen.

Women, on the other hand, will never understand male sex obsession. Women find it really funny and strange how obsessed men are with sex.

you are obsessed with things that are most of the times outside of your reach .

if you would really reach a point of true abuse nice , trust me you will be more careful in the vetting process , even if this means that instead of sleeping with 2 girls per day , you would only sleep with one per week , or even a month . But that girl will be really interesting , at least for you

when you know thst yoh have something at the reach of your finger print , then you do not value it thst much , and just you view it as something normal and not interesting

 

[Bigpapa]

Guys she can effortlessly match with and have on rotation, and does act on. Most of my female friends broke quarantine after a month, they are not used to dry spells of virtually any length unless deeply traumatized from a prior relationship.

never really heard about this , but curious now , they were sleeping with guys thst they slept before , or they knew before . Right ?

 

[Willie Naylor]

Most guys talk themselves out of sex.

I used to be in Sales. #1 mistake many salespeople make - they talk too much.

This applies to anyone in any walk of life.

Less is more. Only speak if you have something important to say.

 

[biggoal]

I used to be in Sales. #1 mistake many salespeople make - they talk too much.

This applies to anyone in any walk of life.

Less is more. Only speak if you have something important to say.

People say this was my big mistake. I mean I'd say I've about 30 or so women via texting and phone calls the fizzled because I texted way too much.

 

[metalwater]

Women have way more casual sex and sport ****s than men

one man, one woman = one fck. how can it not be exactly the same?

on average it should be exactly the same.

since some men get left out... it should be that some men are much higher count than most women.

 

[Bigpapa]

one man, one woman = one fck. how can it not be exactly the same?

on average it should be exactly the same.

since some men get left out... it should be that some men are much higher count than most women.

a guy that is let”s say a good looking guy , successful and thst has solid game , on average will have have way lower prospects than a good looking woman till she is 35 , maybe even early 40s

that is why game for men is about trying to convert a woman to a sleeping partner , while a woman game is about declining as many potential partners at possible till they will find one that will make their veggie wet

 

[rambambram]

I keep getting called “skinny” by women. I’m 5’10” 183 with a 32” waist. I dunno how that’s “skinny” these days but apparently it is.

I have the same. But it's always from fat women who 'just started dieting'. It's a sh1t test and it makes them feel better about themselves (but I don't accept that, of course). And I just tell them that, literally: "I've been called 'skinny' mulitple times. And one thing I notice, it's always from women who think themselves they're fat." See how I never said that I think they're fat.

 

[Robert28]

I have the same. But it's always from fat women who 'just started dieting'. It's a sh1t test and it makes them feel better about themselves (but I don't accept that, of course). And I just tell them that, literally: "I've been called 'skinny' mulitple times. And one thing I notice, it's always from women who think themselves they're fat." See how I never said that I think they're fat.

Next time they say that just be like “thanks for the compliment! So, when’s the last time you’ve been called skinny?”lol

 

[metalwater]

a guy that is let”s say a good looking guy , successful and thst has solid game , on average will have have way lower prospects than a good looking woman till she is 35 , maybe even early 40s

that is why game for men is about trying to convert a woman to a sleeping partner , while a woman game is about declining as many potential partners at possible till they will find one that will make their veggie wet

I get that. but the math doesn't work. what is the detail that makes it work?

let's say in a group of 10 men and 10 women (small numbers so it's easy for me to understand).

You and others are telling that the 10 women have has sex more times than the 10 men. The math doesn't work. Now it could be that the good-looking game guy is getting a higher count than the average woman and some of the men nothing. But you're describing the guy that is successful.

So in my example of 10 and 10, if the men are not getting it and the women are, who are the women getting it from?

 

[Bigpapa]

I get that. but the math doesn't work. what is the detail that makes it work?

let's say in a group of 10 men and 10 women (small numbers so it's easy for me to understand).

You and others are telling that the 10 women have has sex more times than the 10 men. The math doesn't work. Now it could be that the good-looking game guy is getting a higher count than the average woman and some of the men nothing. But you're describing the guy that is successful.

So in my example of 10 and 10, if the men are not getting it and the women are, who are the women getting it from?

it depends on how the society is structured ( big city vs small city , traditional vs modern , etc ) .

taking as an example a big city with a modern mindset .

1 guy might sleep with all 10 girls
1 guy might sleep with only 6
1 guy might sleep with only 3
2 guys might not sleep with any of them
3 guy can sleep with 1 of them

etc etc

basically the idea is that the higher smv as a guy , the more potential partners yoh might have . Compared to the average guy that had has a couple lifetime ( non escorts ) and some guys below average thst have none ( mainly because after a certain point , it is very unlikely that a guy would sleep with a very ugly woman )

 

[metalwater]

it depends on how the society is structured ( big city vs small city , traditional vs modern , etc ) .

taking as an example a big city with a modern mindset .

1 guy might sleep with all 10 girls
1 guy might sleep with only 6
1 guy might sleep with only 3
2 guys might not sleep with any of them
3 guy can sleep with 1 of them

etc etc

basically the idea is that the higher smv as a guy , the more potential partners yoh might have . Compared to the average guy that had has a couple lifetime ( non escorts ) and some guys below average thst have none ( mainly because after a certain point , it is very unlikely that a guy would sleep with a very ugly woman )

got it. but originally you and others are telling that women have more sex than successful men. the math still doesn't work because when a woman has sex so does a man. so when we say that women have more sex than a successful man that doesn't make sense.

one of the mantras that good looking women have more sex than high smv men is not right. we have a fixed number of men and women every time a woman has sex so does a man. so its just the same.

I mean every option for a woman is also an option for a man. women do not have more sex.

is our mantra wrong, or do I still not see some detail that makes it true that women fck more then men do ?

 

[Bigpapa]

got it. but originally you and others are telling that women have more sex than successful men. the math still doesn't work because when a woman has sex so does a man. so when we say that women have more sex than a successful man that doesn't make sense.

one of the mantras that good looking women have more sex than high smv men is not right. we have a fixed number of men and women every time a woman has sex so does a man. so its just the same.

I mean every option for a woman is also an option for a man. women do not have more sex.

is our mantra wrong, or do I still not see some detail that makes it true that women fck more then men do ?

we were referring that women have the potential to have unlimited sexual partners , because any guy will sleep with a hot woman

and that in general , women have more potential sexual partners than men do

 

[SW15]

As a guy, it's nearly impossible to conceive of how women experience sex and abundance.

Sex is so easy for women it's the equivalent of us opening our mouths and breathing in oxygen.

It is difficult any man to imagine getting sex that easily. What you say is true.

 

[metalwater]

we were referring that women have the potential to have unlimited sexual partners , because any guy will sleep with a hot woman

and that in general , women have more potential sexual partners than men do

sure, but it's imaginary and not right. every potential for the woman is also for a man. if she uses one of those options then a man also gets a notch.

in a fixed set of ppl with equal distribution all the men have the same options as the women, exactly the same.

women do NOT have more options than men, it is just the same. it is just more obvious.

for example; you're an option for every woman you see. for every woman with a notch count of 100, on average a man will exist with the same else the math doesn't work.

if it's true that any guy will sleep with a specific woman, then it is also true that a woman might sleep with any guy. neither of those is true. it's all mental silly stuff in our minds.

the potential is exactly the same. after we see that women are not above us, the field is very level.

 

[Bigpapa]

sure, but it's imaginary and not right. every potential for the woman is also for a man. if she uses one of those options then a man also gets a notch.

in a fixed set of ppl with equal distribution all the men have the same options as the women, exactly the same.

women do NOT have more options than men, it is just the same. it is just more obvious.

for example; you're an option for every woman you see. for every woman with a notch count of 100, on average a man will exist with the same else the math doesn't work.

if it's true that any guy will sleep with a specific woman, then it is also true that a woman might sleep with any guy. neither of those is true. it's all mental silly stuff in our minds.

the potential is exactly the same. after we see that women are not above us, the field is very level.

yes , mathematical you are right .

In real life the likely hood for any guy yo sleep with any girl is almost impossible

the likely hood of any girl to sleep with any guy , unless she is ugly , is quite high

 

[metalwater]

yes , mathematical you are right .

In real life the likely hood for any guy yo sleep with any girl is almost impossible

the likely hood of any girl to sleep with any guy , unless she is ugly , is quite high

I know. but every guy she would target is also a target.

I get it, just rethinking it because the default way of thinking on it makes men as beggers or powerless. While the truth is that she is not having any sex without a man included.

The girl picking any guy is imaginary. It's very much the opposite, her options in her view are small numbers, very small numbers. While men see every woman as an option. It's like a web ui with a click box that doesn't work. She can't pick that one because it's broken. The ones she sees working are only a few. She does not have unlimited options, in fact, she is desperately searching for a good option.

She is flooded by men, but not with options. Her options are much smaller number than men's options. Men see every woman as an option (albeit they might get rejected). The women we are talking about do not get rejected often, but they also don't consider most of the men as an option. Only we men see the other men as an option for her. Her options are far less than we have.

In fact, she will be very lucky if we are an option for her.

 

[joesbigship]

As a guy, it's nearly impossible to conceive of how women experience sex and abundance.

Sex is so easy for women it's the equivalent of us opening our mouths and breathing in oxygen.

Women, on the other hand, will never understand male sex obsession. Women find it really funny and strange how obsessed men are with sex.

The "c0ck carousel" is another one of the endless fantasy based memes of incels. It is true that a significant minority of women have a high count, true for a minority of men as well, but the overwhelming majority of women are either single or in long term relationships.

The more posts I read on this forum the less convinced I am that anyone posting has any relevant experience with attractive women.

 

[metalwater]

The "c0ck carousel" is another one of the endless fantasy based memes of incels. It is true that a significant minority of women have a high count, true for a minority of men as well, but the overwhelming majority of women are either single or in long term relationships.

The more posts I read on this forum the less convinced I am that anyone posting has any relevant experience with attractive women.

the carousel is real, its single or married men approach women and have sex with them. it happens, but the wording makes it sound more sinister than what it is. It is a bit sinister, but like you tell we should keep it real.

most single women have at least one guy that they see sometimes. not really single, but also not in a two-way committed ltr.

those in long-term relationships often stray at least once.

so some of the stuff is real... some of it is a bit over the top and not real.