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wassup fellas....im 5'11 212 pounds...im tryin to get down to about 175-180 is there anything i should cut down on eating? should i do alot of running? lift weights? all feedback is appreciated..thanks
 

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I'm recommending what Im doing, since it worked on me so well.


Get your hands on FMS 45 Minute Fat Burning Workout video. Comes from here or else you can download it or borrow it from fiend.

You do that workout with 30 lb dumbells, and then once you are compfortable with those, you go on to 40 lb, and then 50 lb, and so on. You will also need a set adjustable 20 lb each dumbbells for lateral and frontal raises... It's ok if it takes you two hours to do it, as long as this workout is followed consistentely, every other day.

Then you need to wake up each day and run. You can run for 5 minutes or so, until you get tired. Then you can walk, so that the whole thing takes you 20 minutes or more. 20 minutes is all you need, really. At first it will be hard, but after a month or so it will be easy, and the only limition will be in your head. You can try increasing running time when you realize where the limit is coming from. This is best done right after sleep and before shower, like at 5 or 6 pm, on hungry stomatch, and outside.


Then you have to follow a diet. General rule is to eat things that have a good protein to fat ratio. Such as tuna, 23g protein, and 1.5g fat, that's good. Also deli meat, 16g protein, 4g fat, that's good. If there is 3 parts protein, and 1 part fat it's good. Try to make each meal to be around 350 calories or less. Say NO to foods that don't have Nutrition Fact Labels on them, such as what is cooked at home. Your mommy home food is what got you fat, fat a55.

Take a piece of paper and count your calories. Eat 1000 calories a day, give or take 400. This will get flame on this forum. But I have results to prove that it works for me for loosing fat without loosing muscle. Read bellow.


You can apply same body building techniques as others recommend, such as 1 serving of whey before work out and 2 serving after it (you still count calories). Drinking 8 cups of green tea a day, works.


Now, on this plan I lost 8 % body fat in two months. Muscle was not lost, as I am able to lift more, look bigger, and registered muscle mass change on my scale.


For food I'm using SmartOnes, LeanCuisine, those that are around 290 per serving. That and tuna, and sardines, and what ever else that has good ratio of fat and protein.

To notice results it takes around 20 days of working out. It's not hard at all. The most important thing is cardio, and diet, weights are to build muscle and keep metabolism up. Don't take supplements, as I noticed I stop loosing weight when I took some fat burning supplements.


Make a log of your weight every morning, so that you know if what you doing is working. If you not loosing weight after running and working out, decrease your calorie intake.


One more thing. NO food past 5 PM, unless you taking whey after workout. No more than 4 beers in the evening, once a week OK, or quarter bottle gin or vodka is fine also. 8 hours of sleep, otherwise it catches with you fast and slacking begins. If you running at 5, then sleep at 9.
 
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ignore everything in djSlvt's post. everything. he is notorious for giving absurd advice on any topic. (there are so many problems with his advice above that i don't have the patience to counter each one. it's not worth distinguishing between the half-truths and the outright un-truths.)

next, check out the following threads:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=110522

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=114913

highlights: losing bodyfat is primarily running a calorie deficit through diet & cardio, but you'll lose muscle if you don't include some lifting. take the focus entirely off your weight -- a good lifting program & a sensible diet should help you recompose your body without losing much actual weight at all, but if you start losing lots of muscle, it'll become a vicious cycle.

also, check this out: http://www.intense-workout.com/facts.html
 

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Ignore everything in BOTH their posts. I am the expert. In everything. MWAWHAHAHAHA ok moving on...

Here is how you lose weight:

LIPOSUCTION!
 

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Well, I'm not gonna break forum rules and attack people to make me feel better, I'm above all that AFC rubbish.

My advice works for me perfectly. In 2 months period I've lost 35 lbs, and 8 percent body fat, while gaining 5 lb of muscle.. Provided that my scale is right.. Right? I've been given numerous remarks and applause to my new appearance. It takes about 20 days to notice the results, first thing is your face changes and people see that, next thing you start noticing changes in body, slowly you become buff, and that becomes noticeable too.

Go ahead, rant your AFC butt away. My workout is for me, I'm giving a favor to the guy by posting this.


212 lbs at 5'11" is around 27 % body fat. It would take 2 months of moderately lame workout to get that to around 20 % body fat. 20 % and bellow is where hot and sexy is.
 

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Why aren't I losing weight ?

I ride to and from work everyday and burn a total of about 1000 calories each day. I know this because I have a Polar heart rate monitor which tells me what I burn. I eat the following pretty much every day during the week. Two slices of wholemeal toast with butter and two apples for breakfast, two smoked salmon sandwiches for lunch, two skinless chicken breasts with lots of greens. All though the day I have loads of Volvic water. It all works out to about 2300 calories a day. A friend suggested I have just the one sandwich and eat lots of chicken instead so that the carbs from the bread are cut out and replaced with protein from the chicken. Is it a good idea or will I just hang on to the weight even more ?
 

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A b laben, I am no expert, but it seems to me that 2300 cals a day is too much to try to be losing weight. Some ppl actually gain weight eating that much. Drop the calories. Calories is what makes ppl can weight.
 

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As mentioned I eat 1000 calories a day, give or take 400, but usually 1000, 1200 something like that. If I eat 1600 or above closer to 2000, I'll be gaining weight.

Carbs I stimply don't count, it's all about protein to far ratio, portion size, total calories a day, and when you stop eating.

Hunger is not an issue for me at all. I don't get hungry like most people get hungry, with stomatch aches and everything. When I get hungry I get slow, that usually don't happen since I eat every 2 to 3 hours. Stomatch aches and hunger pains go away when your stomatch size decreases as you eat smaller meals.

A very credible fitness site, along with a few members on this site, suggested that I should eat closer to 3400 calories a day, and then take away from that 1000 to loose 2 lbs a week. That advice got me gaining weight. It is through logging my weight and calorie and exercise, that I come up with the right calories for me.
 

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ryannath said:
A b laben, I am no expert, but it seems to me that 2300 cals a day is too much to try to be losing weight. Some ppl actually gain weight eating that much. Drop the calories. Calories is what makes ppl can weight.
that won't work for a_b b/c he's already burning 1k riding back and forth to work. he'll need significantly more calories than someone who sits on his butt all day.

as a guy, eating less than 1200-1600 calories will throw your body into starvation mode, and will run down all your recovery systems. doing that and exercising heavily is just stupid.
 

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djSlvt said:
Well, I'm not gonna break forum rules and attack people to make me feel better, I'm above all that AFC rubbish.
okay, now you've gone and done it. i didn't attack you, i told him to ignore your advice. i still won't attack you, even though you've thrown a few idiotic labels at me. time to take apart your advice point by point (not that anything seems to shut you up).

My advice works for me perfectly. In 2 months period I've lost 35 lbs, and 8 percent body fat, while gaining 5 lb of muscle.. Provided that my scale is right.. Right?
your scale almost certainly isn't right. they're notoriously unreliable, esp. the bodyfat % calculation. in any case, that works out to 4 1/2 pounds per week, which is dangerous and unsustainable weight loss.

212 lbs at 5'11" is around 27 % body fat.
nonsense. it depends entirely on how much of that weight is bodyfat and how much is muscle.

You do that workout with 30 lb dumbells, and then once you are compfortable with those, you go on to 40 lb, and then 50 lb, and so on. You will also need a set adjustable 20 lb each dumbbells for lateral and frontal raises... It's ok if it takes you two hours to do it, as long as this workout is followed consistentely, every other day.
what on earth is this supposed to accomplish? it's not designed to build muscle, and there are better ways to do cardio.

Then you need to wake up each day and run ... This is best done right after sleep and before shower, like at 5 or 6 pm, on hungry stomatch, and outside.
you wake up and go for a run at 5 or 6pm? I'm confused.

Then you have to follow a diet. General rule is to eat things that have a good protein to fat ratio.
fat content is nearly irrelevant to losing weight, especially if you limit simple & starchy carb intake.

Take a piece of paper and count your calories. Eat 1000 calories a day, give or take 400. This will get flame on this forum. But I have results to prove that it works for me for loosing fat without loosing muscle. Read bellow.
it won't get your flamed. people will tell you you're wrong. this is a recipe for putting your body into starvation mode. if you try to do this AND cardio AND lifting at the same time, you'll fall apart in a matter of months, if not weeks. no male 6 feet tall should be eating less than 1500 calories, and if he's lifting weights, it needs to be more than that even.

For food I'm using SmartOnes, LeanCuisine
everyone would be well-served by avoiding these entirely. they're heavily processed, full of things you don't need and missing things you do, and the low-fat ones compensate by adding simple carbs, salt, and other stuff you don't need.

One more thing. NO food past 5 PM, unless you taking whey after workout.
this is unnecessary. just avoid simple or starchy carbs a few hours before bed. there are lots of other foods that are fine in moderate quantities at any hour.

No more than 4 beers in the evening, once a week OK, or quarter bottle gin or vodka is fine also.
how about just taking a break from the alcohol entirely?

8 hours of sleep
at least. this is very important and underrated.

If you running at 5, then sleep at 9.
you're imposing your schedule on him, which is entirely inappropriate. he'll have to find times for exercise & sleep that work around his regular schedule.
 

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And this is his life, jerking off on the internet. Some people just get off by showing off in a 5 x 4 window. If this makes you feel better, I'll leave your looser a55 alone. People can think that you are right, and they are stupid.



Program I follow is not mine, it's by James Basedow. He looks like this: http://www.fitnessmadesimple.com/gallery.php

It's no magic. It's work, consistent work. Results follow from consistent work. It's not hard, I might add, it is easy to follow and compliance is pretty darn good. Results are good too, I've already mentioned what I've achieved in two months, just read back.

Obviously that throttle afc guy is a chimp to attack me like this. It's ok, I don't screw around with insecure people, get that tape, it's the real deal. I wouldn't recommend it if it didn't work on me.
 

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it's simple

find a workout routine that should be 3-4 days a week, should target your whole body, research stuff on Mark Rippetoe, it's good for beginners. stick to this

best resutls would be to do a jog in the morning before you eat anything, anywhere around 10-20 minutes is good, if you can't jog the whole time, walk for about 30 seconds to 1 minute before starting up your jog again.

and finally, the most important part, diet. you want to lower your carbs, and eliminate simple carbs (flour stuff, white bread, white rice etc) stick to complex carbs (whole grain/wheat bread/pasta, any kind of potato, vegs (eat as much of this as you want) brown rice etc) Don't be too concious about eating meat, just try to go for the leaner stuff. seperate your meals into 5-6 meals throughout the day (one of the meals for example could be just an apple) lower your calorie intake slowly, dont just out of nowhere drop a bunch of calories, for example, if you currently eat 2000 calories a day (which i doubt, if you're 200+ pounds you likely eat more) week 1- drop down to around 1900, then next 3 days go 1800, another 3 days, go to 1500, find something that works for you.

you'll see results in 2-3 weeks, keep a photo log
 

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kev's got much better advice :up:

keep reading up on this stuff & sorting the wheat from the chaffe
 

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That advice will work. Diet's sounds about right, around what I'm eating. Except, I went to the low number without any side effects.


Mark Rippetoe or James Besedow, recipie is same. Consistent work.
 

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then why did you give the advice above to go with 1000, give or take 400 -- which works out to anywhere from 600(!) to 1400 calories?
 

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Because that's what I'm doing. I only advice what works for me. What I'm doing clearly works for me, or else I would not be doing it. I keep body log and adjust my routine, diet, etc, according to results. I know what works.

Kev07 has suggested a great program. I also suggested a great program. Recipie for success: consistancy.

Now, what are you doing?



What are you arguing with me about? Attacking me, and all that looser stuff you did in this thread? What's up with that?



Get this, I don't care about you writing your garbage and flaming. Next time a mod goes over this thread, he will see you flaming like this. It's up to him to deal with you. IMO you're a looser, to get insecure over internet. I bet you didn't even read my thread. You argued absolutely for no reason.

Funny thing is, someone else posted a program by someone else that does exactly what I suggested, and now you doing damage control, and keep your b1tching down. It's called having a personal problem with someone else because you're insecure. Over internet? Come on man. That's low.
 

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djSlvt said:
Now, what are you doing?
I'm sorry to say but Throttle was making sure your bad advice didn't cause harm to the guy who started this thread.

1000 calories + or - 400? Get real. For a 5 11" guy of 212 lb that would be suicide.

You say it works for you? Maybe if you were a morbidly obese 7 year old girl, or have some inhuman genetics, for the average male that amount of calories would cause all kinds of problems, decrease in metabloic rate, drop in sex hormones (which I'm guessing the guy doesn't want), bone loss, thyroid problems, loss of muscle and therefore strength...the list goes on.

Whilst I can appreciate you thought you were giving good advice, I would implore you to re-educate yourself. The 8 hours sleep was spot on though and you get props for that :up:


As for the guy who started the thread your best bet is to steer clear of everything in this thread apart from the following link, and the stuff throttle originally posted, this should put you on the right lines:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=110033&highlight=warboss+alex

Good luck.
 

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Kev07 said:
it's simple

find a workout routine that should be 3-4 days a week, should target your whole body, research stuff on Mark Rippetoe, it's good for beginners. stick to this

best resutls would be to do a jog in the morning before you eat anything, anywhere around 10-20 minutes is good, if you can't jog the whole time, walk for about 30 seconds to 1 minute before starting up your jog again.

and finally, the most important part, diet. you want to lower your carbs, and eliminate simple carbs (flour stuff, white bread, white rice etc) stick to complex carbs (whole grain/wheat bread/pasta, any kind of potato, vegs (eat as much of this as you want) brown rice etc) Don't be too concious about eating meat, just try to go for the leaner stuff. seperate your meals into 5-6 meals throughout the day (one of the meals for example could be just an apple) lower your calorie intake slowly, dont just out of nowhere drop a bunch of calories, for example, if you currently eat 2000 calories a day (which i doubt, if you're 200+ pounds you likely eat more) week 1- drop down to around 1900, then next 3 days go 1800, another 3 days, go to 1500, find something that works for you.

you'll see results in 2-3 weeks, keep a photo log

Great advice here!

Basically, you can only lose so much weight per week without damaging your health, so patience is the real key. It's much better to work slow and steady than to look for quick fixes.
 

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Quagmire911 said:
I'm sorry to say but Throttle was making sure your bad advice didn't cause harm to the guy who started this thread.

1000 calories + or - 400? Get real. For a 5 11" guy of 212 lb that would be suicide.
Bingo! :up:

Flaming is a series of personal attacks leveled at a person, not their advice. djS, I attacked your advice, because most of it was atrocious. (the advice that didn't suck was getting plenty of sleep & drinking lots of green tea, but I would still pick a bone with your too-specific quantities -- there's nothing magic about 8 hours or 8 cups)

If you re-read all my posts, you will see that I never attacked you. I do hope that you will stop giving atrocious advice on these forums b/c someday there may be no one around to stop you. Take a page from the advice I posted -- I pointed to others who know what they're talking about rather than make it about showing off how much I know & how much I've accomplished.

jorge>> you're quite welcome. feel free to ask follow-up questions.
 
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