Losing weight AND gaining muscle at the same time

[TheChicGeek]

I told my sister it is nearly impossible to do. She insists that it is in fact easy to do. As she always is when she believes she is right, she is stubbornly rigid on the fact. I have always thought you must either lose weight or gain muscle. Is she correct? If so, how do you do that? Thanks.

 

[Demonslut]

I told my sister it is nearly impossible to do. She insists that it is in fact easy to do. As she always is when she believes she is right, she is stubbornly rigid on the fact. I have always thought you must either lose weight or gain muscle. Is she correct? If so, how do you do that? Thanks.

First you need to light 6 sticks on lavendar incense, and spread them out across a wooden floor in teh shape of a crescent moon. Then you fill a large black bowl of water and set it down adjacent to an alter dedicated to the god Drachmik'saliar'alisistas. You must then sacrifice a medium sized marsupial and smear it's blood all over yourself while chanting "I AM A MOLE I AM A MOLE".

Hope it helped

 

[grr]

A) If she can't explain why, then she's retardedly following an ideal she doesn't actually understand.
B) I hope I don't offend by the stereotype but she's a girl, last I checked most aren't concerned with gaining substantial muscle...
C) How can you pump up a balloon if you periodically deflate it afterwards? Answer: Not at all, or very slowly.
D) What do you do when you're trying to gain muscle and its just not working even though you're getting proper recovery time? Eat more. Eat more. Eat more. Its the easiest solution to get past these plateaus, so its really hard to maintain the SUPER clean bulk.
E) Try to have a normal life, GAIN muscle, and stay at very low body fat. Try it. The dedication one needs to accomplish this isn't worth the effort unless having such a body pays for itself. I'm not even going to fragment it in words, it needs to be experienced what a nuisance this can become balancing with your job, going out to eat, performing well in sports, etc.

Although I will say I know what she's talking about. If you increase the frequency of exercise while improving your diet you're bound to add muscle and lose fat at the same time. So in a sense that people constantly polish their exercises / diet, theoretically they'll improve their muscle gains while losing fat. But again, this relates to the person's dedication and other constraints in their lives, so improvements will become less and less substantial until this plateaus.

Thing is, after so much experimentation, I found what most others here preached before me.. It's so much easier to gain muscle with a little bit of chub that you could lose in 1-3 weeks if you wanted to. Then, you just keep it in control with periodic cardio.

When you exercise beyond how much you eat, or without enough recovery time you never really experience your size gains. Sure your shape will change because of atrophy but since the muscles never really recover in time to notice appreciable size gains, what's the point? If you have an energy surplus (a little healthy chub) and fully recovered muscles you're ahead of 99% of the population, seemingly. This combined with the know-how you could easily cut the chub off for your next beach outing really sold me. Gain in the winter, cut a bit in the summer.

I suppose Strength + body weight age better than dexterity & reflexes so its kind of silly to stay small as you get older being a guy 20+, unless you're worried about heart problems, etc.

Though, for the men: If you're looking to hook up with younger girls, by all means stay skinny..

14-17 year olds will hit on me when I'm skinny, but with a little bit of chub and the easier to sustain muscle gains that go along with it, I'm in my own age range. Its weird. Oh, and happy birthday to me.

 

[djtdot]

Well it is actually possible. Its happening with me. I was 172lbs or so when I started. Zoomed upto 178 lbs or so in 5 weeks of eating and lifting weights, now I am back to 173 lbs, but my strength has increased. And I have hovered around the 173lbs mark for a while (abt 4 weeks or so) while continuing to gain muscle. I did pretty much no cardio during this time tho I must say that I cut my carbs from white rice.

 

[EFFORT]

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=84119&highlight=bulking

 

[suikeisuru]

It's 100% possible, your sister is right. I went from 150lb 18%'ish body fat to the 190 12% I am today in 1.5 years. The type of foods you eat and the time you eat them in along with cardio make this possible.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

It can be done but it may not be the prettiest thing to look at. I've seen both men and women build muscle mass prior to loosing weight because someone told them that muscle burns more calories than fat.

This is true, muscle does burn more calories than fat; however if you are attempting to bulk while you are still fat guess what? You're burning the calories you are taking in, not the fat that you already have!

Think about it, you've seen people who weight train several times a week and oh yeah, they're strong but there is hardly any definition, just bulk. You can't see the definition because their existing fat is covering up the muscle they are building. In some scenarios the built up muscle makes the fat protrude even more! In a nutshell, you can not begin burning fat until there is a deficiency of calories and carbohydrates.

Yes it can be done but to get "the look" I'd cut and then bulk. You'd be surprised at the definition you can see if you just get rid of the fat first.

 

[mrRuckus]

I told my sister it is nearly impossible to do.

Why are you telling people things when you openly admit you don't know what you are talking about?

 

[madgame]

probably b/c guys on here say so and he figured they prolly know more about it than his sister...

 

[skeeloo]

i saw some celebrity fitness instructor at a friends gym last week and im a slim dude i asked him a few questions and i was told i dont need fat to build up muscles. im a slim dude and im seeing the cut already. i think francisco is right when he say's get the cut first then bulk up. i have only being building with home made stuff not weights and i got more cuts than many of the bulky guys in the gym everyday. they think i been in the gym when i dont even go. as we all know push ups give body cuts.

 

[azanon]

It's 100% possible, your sister is right. I went from 150lb 18%'ish body fat to the 190 12% I am today in 1.5 years. The type of foods you eat and the time you eat them in along with cardio make this possible.

You seem to be struggling with the concept of "losing weight". If you're 190 today, you weigh 40 pounds more than you did 1.5 years ago. He did not say, is it possible to gain muscle mass and lose fat at the same time.

To the OP, yes, its virtually impossible to lose weight and gain muscle at the same time because muscle weighs more than fat, and there's no way you can proportionally lose more fat than muscle, to consitute a drop in weight and gain in muscle mass at the same time. I guess its theoretically possible, if you're really fat and have virtually no muscle, but unless you're a 300 pound rolly-polly, it wont happen.

 

[mrRuckus]

You seem to be struggling with the concept of "losing weight". If you're 190 today, you weigh 40 pounds more than you did 1.5 years ago. He did not say, is it possible to gain muscle mass and lose fat at the same time.

Don't be anal. He probably meant gain muscle and lose fat.

When people say "lose weight" they nearly always mean "lose fat." Or are you going to throw a fit when someone includes tomatos in the vegetable list too?