Looks fvcking matter!!!!

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So I made a fake pof account with some pics of a ripped and big dude who I thought would attract women from a range of backgrounds. Less than 6 hours after making the account I have had atleast 50 women throw themselves at me. I am deliberately being a rude and selfish jerk and all ignore it.I then went and messaged some of the hottest profiles I could find saying sh1t like hey you look like you could satisfy me, how about drinks next weekend then I pound you at mine after. They all lap this **** up and are throwing numbers at me left right and centre.

Girls are giving me their numbers without me replying to their first few desperate attempts to get my attention.

Wow.
 

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Success with online dating:

Looks: 99.999%

A "funny" profile and "game": 0.001% :crackup:
 

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There's been countless threads on this subject and OP, I'm not trying to diss you or anything like that, but POF, is really not the representation on the dating market. You got ugly a$$ females that are super fat, a bunch on kids, no job, still living with their moms that wants a well-grounded man, attractive, with a 6 figure income from working at home, caring and driving a super BMW car.

Besides, if you really thing about it, those girls are just good to receive some d!ck one time, and boot to the curb. Why ? It only took them a picture to be super interested in meeting you...

If you just wanna get laid and online works for you, knock yourself out, but otherwise, you have a much better chance at meeting women in real life
 

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badboyjmm said:
There's been countless threads on this subject and OP, I'm not trying to diss you or anything like that, but POF, is really not the representation on the dating market. You got ugly a$$ females that are super fat, a bunch on kids, no job, still living with their moms that wants a well-grounded man, attractive, with a 6 figure income from working at home, caring and driving a super BMW car.

Besides, if you really thing about it, those girls are just good to receive some d!ck one time, and boot to the curb. Why ? It only took them a picture to be super interested in meeting you...

If you just wanna get laid and online works for you, knock yourself out, but otherwise, you have a much better chance at meeting women in real life
There are also a lot of threads about how to make a good profile. The point is, it doesn't matter. Looks almost completely determine your success online.

If you want to go through the hurdles of online dating, stop wasting time with "witty" messages and "funny" profiles and hit the gym.
 

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We've had this debate over and over and over and over and over, since I joined this site.



Here's my conclusion on the debate, and why it keeps getting repeated:




The term 'MATTERS' is entirely subjective, and means something different (and to a different extent) to everybody.



ie. Some things matter to me that don't matter to other people.

And some things matter MORE to me than to others.

Same thing for women. Some things matter to women, some things don't.

Some things matter MORE to some women, those things matter LESS to other women.


So a debate of "Looks Matter" will never have an objective conclusion.
 

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PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
This is like opening up a fashion magazine and saying "looks matter" lol. I wonder if those of you obsessed with looks are shut-ins with no male friends so you don't know any less attractive player types, or just totally absorbed in your own problems.
Not likely. What is more likely is that people who are very well adapted socially see the reality around them. I have known a lot of people and have NEVER seen a physically unattractive guy get lots of girls with any thing resembling game. Here is what experience has taught me regarding your chances with ANY girl:

1) Face
2) Height
3) Build
4) Race
5) Social status
6) Personality

The role of game in modern dating is relegated to simply NOT being socially inept. That's about it. As long as you're not weird and can hold a conversation, your game is good enough for ANY girl as long as she finds you physically attractive.

I'm a pretty good looking guy and I've had girls ask their friends if I'm available or if I can have their number. These are girls I barely know. Tell me what role did game play in that exchange and what role did physical attraction play?
 

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For F..... I'm not available or looking for women right now (I'm in a relationship right now). But an experiment came to mind that would be very interesting. Maybe you'd be the perfect person to try this out, since you're already experimenting online. By the way, this is an interesting topic. You get points for being like a mad scientist.

Do the same profile in another area, but with a different picture. Say an average guy. Not with super good looks and not ugly. But keep the ATTITUDE exactly the same. Pretend you're the ripped, crazy, I don't give a f*ck muscle dude who is putting up a fake profile with an average picture. So you put up the average picture, but your profile has everything worded the way muscle-dude words things. When they contact you, you pretend like you're muscle dude and suggest "A night out and a good roll in the hay to de-stress, if you think you can handle it.". Blah blah. You get the idea.

The area you pick should be a good distance away but as similar as possible to the area with the muscle-dude picture. So as an example. Let's say you listed the profile under a big city. For profile 2, list it in a big city 100 or 200 miles away in your state. If you live in a foreign country, like Italy, if you listed profile 1 in Rome, you put profile 2 in Milan. 2 big cities that are 200 miles or so away. You do this to avoid contacting the same women so they don't know what's going on and you'll get natural responses. Would be interesting to see what happens.
 

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PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
This is like opening up a fashion magazine and saying "looks matter" lol. I wonder if those of you obsessed with looks are shut-ins with no male friends so you don't know any less attractive player types, or just totally absorbed in your own problems.

exactly. i can see some pics on the net of some insanely hot girls and drool and say, holy sh!t, i would kill for that!

BUT, whats the reality?

The reality is if I go out to a bar and meet a 7 with a nice personality am I going to say fvck off you ugly cvnt? LOL, no, i'm probably going to bang her, and who knows, maybe date her!

Its no different for girls. You think girls go out and are approached by george cloony and brad pitt every weekend? LOL. Time to calm down about looks guys.
 

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st 99,

I think what he's doing makes for a good social experiment. I'd be interested in just seeing what the outcomes would be. How strongly these women online would respond if the Attitudes were the same but the looks were different.

It might not translate exactly the same in person, but figured that online would be a good place to test this, if he chooses to take his experiment a step further.
 

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TillTheEndOfTime said:
Not likely. What is more likely is that people who are very well adapted socially see the reality around them. I have known a lot of people and have NEVER seen a physically unattractive guy get lots of girls with any thing resembling game. Here is what experience has taught me regarding your chances with ANY girl:

1) Face
2) Height
3) Build
4) Race
5) Social status
6) Personality

The role of game in modern dating is relegated to simply NOT being socially inept. That's about it. As long as you're not weird and can hold a conversation, your game is good enough for ANY girl as long as she finds you physically attractive.

I'm a pretty good looking guy and I've had girls ask their friends if I'm available or if I can have their number. These are girls I barely know. Tell me what role did game play in that exchange and what role did physical attraction play?
I see your list but I've seen journals and I've seen it many times especially here on campus with average guys with amazing women.

ALL THE TIME.

So When you say "face" is number one. What kind of face and for who. There's women who find Vin Desil and Brad Pit Hideous by all means. But on the flip side many more will find them devilishly handsome.

so what is "face"

everything else i can agree with to an extent.
 

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For_F said:
So I made a fake pof account with some pics of a ripped and big dude who I thought would attract women from a range of backgrounds. Less than 6 hours after making the account I have had atleast 50 women throw themselves at me. I am deliberately being a rude and selfish jerk and all ignore it.I then went and messaged some of the hottest profiles I could find saying sh1t like hey you look like you could satisfy me, how about drinks next weekend then I pound you at mine after. They all lap this **** up and are throwing numbers at me left right and centre.

Girls are giving me their numbers without me replying to their first few desperate attempts to get my attention.

Wow.

Looks DO matter ESPECIALLY online. Now looks are subjective in real life where people also get to see how socially adept or inept you are as well as personality and won't automatically reject you due to looking average or not 6ft tall.

Online is basically low quality chicks looking to get banged by the best looking, best bodied, and or tallest dudes as an easy way to boost their low self esteem rather than work on themselves as a person. (Like an alcoholic drinks to avoid real life and it's problems.)

The only thing you can do is look your absolute best in your pictures and fudge your height a bit if below 6ft. (I'm 5'11 so I could put 6ft. You can play the game the way they use makeup, take myspace angled pics, show off their t1ts, put obvious BS in their profiles etc. Think of it as equal opportunity BSing.) I'd say I'm pretty good looking being I do ok in real life so I don't have to do much but keep fit and dress my best. (Which working out every day at home and working part time at a high end dept store is easy to keep up both.)

I've done the same experiment about a year and a half now ago with a friend who's 6ft 2, tanned, works out and literally has male model/ movie star looks. Dude had chicks throwing themselves at him in real life. On POF it was literally off the hook insane.

Then I figured oh ok. These skanks wanna play? I'm prett strong willed when I want to be and made the system work for me with my own profile and not giving a fvck messages with my best looking pics and had massive amounts of email responses, numbers, called a few (made them cvm over the phone talking nasty as sh1t to them.) and talked with chicks from ALL over the states literally every state. I didn't give a damn. I used it to amuse myself and prove what I knew before I'd even joined. ALL chicks who use online dating are low quality trash riding the c0ck carosel till the find some clueless "God" who's dumb enough to wife them up for a relationship. LMAO.

They're always online mostly now because MOST ALL OF THEM use the POF app so it WILL show them online most times as long as their cell phones are on.

Look your absolute best in your pics and then choose to use your best ones. Brief profile and good opener then go for numbers ASAP.

How you can wind up cleaning up more than dudes better looking than you is by not only spamming a better opener and looking your best in your pics but going for a number within four messages while the other dude goes into sex chat or just pen pals while you may get her number and have called her with a plan to meet. (Now since you know these chicks are most likely responding to hotter dudes and sexting online or doing the pen pal BS you MAY be the one to have WENT FOR THE NUMBER and got it.) So you know she's trash you then meet and not have intentions to wife her up but "play the role", fvck her and take off on to the next.
 

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I already posted in other threads how women are in heat only 7% of the time. Women are yours for the taking if you can isolate them during estrus. That's why arranged marriages worked for millennia.

However, if you can't isolate them, and must compete for their attention, "looks matter" according to what they're told to want. TV programming . . . programs women . . . . like a Commodore 64. American TV teaches them that all couples are blondes with black guys. Mexican TV has only mixed couples.

To whatever degree that "looks matter," it's a matrix. One sole feature isn't all that important.

Those of you who insist that "looks matter," why don't you come up with an Excel spreadsheet where you can tinker around with the figures? Something like making face 19%, height 14%, and so on? You'd have to come up with a good method to rate faces. That's a real problem. A South African black or Persian is probably going to prefer a sturdy build with wide, low cheekbones, while an Ethiopian or Brit will probably prefer a slight build with high, narrow cheekbones. More likely, you're going to have to admit that women like men who look like their fathers, uncles, and older brothers. The attractiveness of a man's face will differ to different women. Same with height.
 

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switch said:
Height....
the moment when i realize that im actually a short 5' 8"
:(
Eh... Me too, but never had any problems. Also, of persian descent with brown skin. But, the face makes up for it. Thats where all of my success came from. Same with ex-friends. They were all relatively short, but good looking. That, by far, is number 1. You pretty much attract what you are physically - before any words are spoken. Leagues do exist, and people know which ones they belong to. Thats not to say they cant be circumvented with other traits, but for the most part, people go for the best they KNOW they can get - based on experience and acceptance. Hot people know theyre hot, and can get someone of their equivalent. Thats what they tend to stick with.

Status is tricky, because it ties into looks. Theyre indistinguishable (sp). Women want who other women want, so a good looking guy is automatically viewed as desirable by other women. But, thats just their initial perception. If you come off as desperate, clingy, etc - theyll view you as not in high demand by other women, and lose their attraction big time. This is also why they look down on virgins, whiney, insecure, needy, inexperienced guys with no success, etc. They want someone exciting and hot and in high demand. Most good looking guys just so happen to possess the necessary traits - hence being arrogant, selfish, egotistical, etc. They know theyre sought after. And so do the women.

Whats difficult is understanding how this works. For instance, a bad boy is successful NOT because he's a douche bag loser, but because he's viewed as high status. He doesnt care, doesnt try or beg, and even makes her feel unworthy and not good enough. So, she works harder to gain his acceptance. He MUST be special to not care, not commit, and have all these options.. Now she wants him more.

This is also why being the nice guy is so inneffective. All of these things you are doing to prove how different and wonderful you are is making her view you as low status. Thus, the attraction drops. Despite her claiming to hate everything she found attractive about the losers.

What ****ed me back in the day was not understanding that there was no connection between their words / claims, and their actions / desires. Its quite the mind-**** if you go about things logically and rationally (as per assuming they are, too). You THINK they want the nice guy, so you focus solely on her, make her feel super special, reassure her constantly (with compliments and faithfulness), share your insecurities and even devalue yourself to make her feel unthreatened, and all these things you THINK would work, but doesnt. Everything you are doing to make her feel comfortable - as per her claims and your assumptions - is actually losing her attraction towards you. Thats because she's not thinking youre doing these things for her, but because youre a desperate nice guy virgin loser. Logic and intelligence doesnt apply. All that matters is their perception of you.

The hardest part, I think, is accepting that this is how things are. So, while you're thinking she's genuine, quality, wife material (likely due to sympathizing and assuming too much) - all she really cares about is status. Thats why she avoids the decent guys who listen and care and share. Despite claiming to want just that.

This also depends on the kind of women youre going after. The fake, shallow, popular types are all about this crap. Thats because theyre insecure, approval-seeking followers. Always pay attention to who people are, who they associate with, how they act, what their lifestyles consist of, etc - before sympathizing, assuming, and proving.
 

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Blehage.. Forgot to add: Even if a woman of this type likes you a LOT, and finds you super attractive, and awesome in every way - she'll still try to keep your relationship private, not want to be seen being "with" you in public, deny being attracted you, claim you're just friends, etc - all because of your perceived status. IE, how other women will view HER for being with you. That is more important than how THEY view you. This is why you must be confident, out-going, in perceivable high demand, etc. Its all about what everyone else thinks with these fake-insecure-hot types.

This can also cause confusion in the mixed messages dept. They like you, they want you, they especially want sex with you, but your perceivable status isnt high enough to be seen with you as an official couple in public.

Damn fake *****es.
 

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Guys ofcourse things like status, personality, overall game and ethnicity matters but I made this thread to say that say if you don't have anything else but good looks and you're after sex plain and simple, it doesn't matter what you say you're going to get hundreds of bangs every year. I woke up with 20 messages from girls about 15 who were definitely fvckable. They all sound like men picking up women - Hey sexy boy, hey what is somebody drop dead gorgeous like you doing on here, hey my names blah nice to meet you hope you find time to reply, hey hottie your pics turned me on etc.

I had a pof account a year ago and got none of this treatment. I was constantly being messaged by absolute whales and had no idea many of these decent looking girls were on pof. Another thing - women with no pic whatsoever are messaging me then I say piss off you don't have a pic you creep then they immediately send pics in their bikinis and dresses looking their best apologizing to me. I KNOW if I looked average to ok looking firstly, these women wouldnt be messaging me like they are and secondly, if I said piss off you creep that's the last Id hear from them.

Men who get this much attention even online can easily become djs. Forget the whole wait three days then call, act indifferent etc when this much pvssy falls on your lap you will naturally act how you're supposed to because you really are that busy, plentiful and wanted man.

Im now telling ho3s on pof that I don't talk to girls unless they send me g string pics. Because I claim that I have no idea how you look and don't want to get freaked out before we fvck. Have got 6 pics from different girls so far.

It's amusing because some girls I remember from last year when I had an account. They are begging for my attention and compliment me when I say Ima destroy your pvssy yet when I hit them up using my real me, many acted so un interested even though I know in real life face to face Id have a good chance at scoring a number and date.
 

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It is funny most times when women say hi to me I reply saying I know you want me to fvck you so let's just get straight to it what's your number. Nearly all give the number followed by 'omg you are so confident I love it!!!'.

Question though: What are the chances you guys think of me being fake pof dude then giving them a couple calls getting them keen as fvck then being like my pics aren't me heres the real me text a good pic I know you're keen for me still blah blah. Think itd work?

Will that be a numbers game too or a no go zone?
 

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One lesson of the world is that Not. Everyone. Is. Born. Equal. Some people WILL have to work harder than others. Some people won't have the same mental aptitude. Some people won't be as strong or big physically. Some people will be handsome, others won't.

But just because the guy to the left of me is smarter than I ever will be, should I quit studying all together? Of course not, studying will still give me many benefits later on in life. Or if the guy on my right side is bigger than me, should I quit working out? Once again of course not, working out still gives me health benefits and I get relatively more attractive than my old self.

Likewise if the person across from you is handsomer than you should you quit the dating game? No of course not, while you can't completely mitigate bad looks there are still things you can do to help yourself, some of which Naughty Ninja listed.
 
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