Long Term Project!

DrJackle

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WARNING - Long Post
Sorry guys, but I don't want to create missunderstandings by leaving out info.

Hi y'all,

I've been reading quite some posts on this DJ Forum and other material about DJ-ing. A lot of things have become more clear for me, and I begin to see what I did right/wrong in the past. (Being an AFC, no doubt about that)

Normally I do my own thing, figuring out my next steps when it comes to women. But this time, I'm kind of confussed... Here's the story.

About 4 years ago, I went on a party-holiday with my friends. During one of the Big Nights Out, we encountered a group of real cute girls and it turned out that they were from Holland too. I started a conversation with one of them (called V.), and was talking for about 1,5 hour (I know now that convos need to be short and straigth to the #/* close, but back then I was oblivious)

After that, they went to a different club and me and me mates stayed in the club we were at that moment. To keep the story short, I got one of the girls # (not V's but one of her friends number, lets call her G1.)

~ Flash Forward ~

This second girl (G1.) has become the girlfriend of one of my mates (after the holiday they got together after about 1,5 years of 'loose contact')
During that holiday, V. had a boyfriend...

But, last year, V. broke up with him after 5 years. Then, she got 'wild' and had another 2 relationships, but finally broke up again and is single now.

In my eyes, she's really hot! (8,5 - 9) But still approachable in an easy way. When I heard about her being single again, I saw an oppertunity to make my moves. So, I sent her an email, asking if her email is still valid after 4 years. It was and since then we email 'bout once a week.

After a couple of emails, I thought it was time to take some ACTION. So I set up this 'shop-date'. My idea was "not to create too much tension"...
This 'date' was last saturday (she cancelled a get-together with her ex for it!) and it was GREAT! The setting was right, nice weather, good 'sales' and no awkward silences.

Then, we went to my place (I still live at my parents :( ) and had dinner, together with my friend and G1., which is her direct friend, so a lot of happiness in one room ;)
After dinner we got ready to get to this beachparty, for which she also 'dumped her ex' because the line-up of DJs was excellent.

When we arrived, the crowd was huge! About 25,000 people, all having a great time. But, among these people, there was this brother of G1. (lets call him Bt.). Bt. had a friend with him, musculine, funny, confident... you know the type (AMOG)

This is where I let the line go slack. I've noticed before that I don't have any convo-spirit with V. when we're in a group and with this AMOG in the hood, I really choked.

AMOG and V. got allong pretty well, as far as I can tell. (She laughing, getting light for her sigaret from him etc. ) In the meanwhile, I started approaching other girls, having fun with some of them, getting rejected by others...

My dillema is, did I do the right thing by not spending that much attention to her anymore (while letting AMOG do his thing, and this way 'erase' the memory of V. and I spending a very good day in town?) Also, not having anything to discuss with her anymore, all of a sudden, what would she think about that?

After the beachparty, we went to this club for an afterparty. I became more and more silent, being tired and feeling a bit yealous... And not having any other girl around with who I would like to have a convo with of any kind.

The next day, I sent V. a textmessage in the late afternoon, saying I enjoyed spending the day with her and asking her some question about an item she had bought that day (mentioning this to get her thinking about the shoppingdate ;) )

She replied (20:31h) that she spent the day with AMOG, Bt. and another friend of hers. She spent the night at the house of Bt. and AMOG stayed over too. But also that she enjoyed the whole saturday ( ofcourse ;) )
I don't know if anything happend between AMOG and her, but that's the problem!

Coming saturday, V. will go on a holiday with her parents and younger sister (also a 9 BTW) and I got this feeling I need to get in contact with her before she leaves, or else the next time we might get in contact is after a couple of weeks... I know this sounds AFCish, but during this possible radiosilence, things might cool down to much. It took my quite some work to get her cancelling the get-together with her ex.

She also lives about 1,5 hours away from me, but that problem was the same for my friend and his G1. After 3 years their gonna move in together halfway between his and her hometown... So distance is not a real issue IMO. Writting this makes me reallize I might be in 'LTR-material MODE' too much...

It's not that I really focus on ONLY this thing to work out. I try to set up multiple dates with other (attractive) girls, so I don't put V. on a peddistal (too much), but V. is the one I feel most attracted to.
I had that feeling from day one -> 4 years ago, and now my time has come!! She's free, I'm free.

Three months ago was the first time since years that I saw V. again.
That night V. said to G1 that I was looking pretty good (and G1 shared this knowledge with her BF, my friend, which in turn shared that knowledge with me)

Furthermore, in the last three months, I went to some parties where V. was too. But like I said, the 'choke-in-groups' thing kicked in. We had some convo, but not worth mentioning. Still, she gave me a couple of compliments here and there. One-on-one it's like we've known eachother for years, not having any barriers of any kind. Weird ey?

Ok, I think things are clear now. Please let me know what you guys think about this, point out my weaknesses and help me overcome these :D
A strategy for coming weeks is always appreciated ;)

For now, one love and keep Sargin',

Dr Jackle
 

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I had that feeling from day one -> 4 years ago, and now my time has come!! She's free, I'm free.
Wow, you've spent four years hoping for one woman. That's a long-ass time and a lot of energy to put into a woman you're not involved with. You have two options here:

1) Begin dating her. If she flakes or rejects you, drop her for good and move on.
2) Quit wasting so much energy and time on her. There are lots of other women out there.

If you decide to pursue option number one, your lack of dating skills may cause you to fvck the whole thing up. You MUST be willing to lose this woman in order to gain dating experience. You cannot learn everything there is to know about women and then immediately expect to be successful with them. Knowledge is only half of the equasion. Experience is the other half.

You also need to accept the fact that there is a life outside of women to be embraced. Women are part of a man's life, but they're not the purpose of a man's life. Get that idea clear in your mind, and you'll succeed with women in the future.
 

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Thanks for your reply Des!

... your lack of dating skills may cause you to fvck the whole thing up. You MUST be willing to lose this woman in order to gain dating experience.
The way you describe it, it does sound pretty hopeless :) , at least for this specific situation.

You also need to accept the fact that there is a life outside of women to be embraced. Women are part of a man's life, but they're not the purpose of a man's life. Get that idea clear in your mind, and you'll succeed with women in the future.
I think I understand what you're telling me... to have a LIFE? It's just that I want to get this part of my life handled, getting more control of the way things are going in the women-area. But I don't want to focus to much on ONLY women, because they can sense that!

Since V. is a mutual friend I don't want fvck up with her.
There ARE a lot of other girls around and I'm determined to succeed! It will take some casualties, but I WILL succeed!

OK, I got to go... I've got a BIBLE reading-class to attend ;)

Adios and other thoughts are still welcome ofcourse.

Dr Jackle
 

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Haha, never heard that word before, but after a quick search I kinda see what you mean Librito! :D

I do remember that, when I was 10-13, I was like that! A real romanticus, 'hunting' for a woman for more then a year, courting her, buying candy... Stuff like that. But as I became older, this kind of behaviour really disappeared (until now?? I'm not sure...Didn't buy V. candy though ;))

I would like to clear one thing up;
It's not that I've been waiting on a couch for V. to break up with her BF!
Till 3 month ago, I didn't even know she broke up with him. But when I heard, I felt an adrenaline-rush. The timeline is like this:

2002 (August) : Met V. on a Holiday
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2006 (May) : heard V. is single again
2006 (July) : got email convo going
2006 (August) : went to town with her, shopping, dinner, beachparty

Between 2002 and May 2006 I didn't see/talked to/think about her (maybe once or twice) but since May, I really put some effort into it, actually, since July!

In those years, I met other girls, dated some of them, had some STR (6 weeks tops) I'm not a DJ, but I'm not staying in my room with my beloved computer either!

Does this shine a new light on the case :cool:?

Dr Jackle

P.s. There is a lot of practicing to be done, that, I'm aware of!
 

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Perhaps Librito meant to say:

"ONEITIS" - Big Time!!!

I think its time you turn back into MrHide, let go and become a mystery to her by living your life seeking out other, closer, reciprocating women.

Judging from your timeline and your talk about V allowing the AMOG to bang her with you around, you have been implicitly LJBF'd. She knows you'll accompany her to go shopping, dinner and beach parties without laying any move on her ... like her girfrends would do.

It sucks man, you should have laid on the moves, kino, etc way back at the first meeting. You didn't. We've all been there. That's one impression you can't do over and can only break if you move on (way on), spin them plates and ultimately forget about her.

As I always ask, what really are your expectations here? Now answer this, are they healthy expectations for you or for her?
 

Channel your excited feelings into positive thoughts and behaviors. You will attract women by being enthusiastic, radiating energy, and becoming someone who is fun to be around.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Sounds more like a long term obsession than a long term project!
 

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You sound pretty smart. Let her go. It's obvious that you have the potential to pick up some new ones pretty quick.

Oneitis stinks. I've been the king of it in the past, but NO MORE.

BEGONE ONEITIS, TO THE DEPTHS OF HELL!
 

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DrJackle said:
After dinner we got ready to get to this beachparty, for which she also 'dumped her ex' because the line-up of DJs was excellent.
Warning sign #1. The fact that she keeps her ex's hanging around for when she wants them is the first sign of trouble. Here your bragging about it. Guess what, its you that she is gonna be next'ing on next.

DrJackle said:
AMOG and V. got allong pretty well, as far as I can tell. (She laughing, getting light for her sigaret from him etc. ) In the meanwhile, I started approaching other girls, having fun with some of them, getting rejected by others...
Mistake #1 Instead of stepping up your game, you make the chump move, walk away and try to compensate by going after another girl. This is where you lost all hope with her. If you can't compete with an alpha male, your instant g/f slash emotional tampon for her from now on.

To make matters worse, you strike out with the other girls, making you look even more desparate.

DrJackle said:
The next day, I sent V. a textmessage in the late afternoon, saying I enjoyed spending the day with her and
Classic AFC move and mistake #2. You might as well have put a couple more nails in the coffin because this is what this did. It ensured your role as the emotional tampon / surrogate g/f.

Do you have any idea how repulsive it is for a women to get a msg from a MAN about his feelings. She's laughing her azz off, showing all her friends what a chump you are.

DrJackle said:
She replied (20:31h) that she spent the day with AMOG,
Man this women is good. She's even throwing salt on the wound. If you don't know it by now, your a total joke to this women. You have virtually no hope of turning this thing around.

Your only option at this point is to try save face so she doesn't bring your social proof down. Totally walk away from her. But do so in a dignified way, don't do anything negative towards her, move one. If the topic ever comes up, just say your not interested in her.

DrJackle said:
I don't know if anything happend between AMOG and her, but that's the problem!
Aaah, nothing line sitting around pining over the one that never was.

DrJackle said:
and I got this feeling I need to get in contact with her before she leaves, or else the next time we might get in contact is after a couple of weeks... I know this sounds AFCish, but during this possible radiosilence, things might cool down to much.
Classic AFC mistake #3. Smoother her to death. This reminds me of swingers when the guy finally gets a #, instead of waiting her calls her machine like 15 times after the bar.

DrJackle said:
I try to set up multiple dates with other (attractive) girls, so I don't put V. on a peddistal (too much), but V. is the one I feel most attracted to. I had that feeling from day one -> 4 years ago, and now my time has come!!
Classic AFC denial. Pretend you have other fish out there so that excuses all the reasons you make up for allowing her to pull the wool over your eyes.

DrJackle said:
Ok, I think things are clear now. Please let me know what you guys think about this, point out my weaknesses and help me overcome these A strategy for coming weeks is always appreciated
I hope I helped clear things up for you.

Strategy option A

Call her and tell her your undying love for her before she goes on vacation. She'll come running into your arms and you'll live happily ever after.

Strategy option B

Forget this women ever existed. Who cares how attracted you are to her. Move on, find a women who actually likes you and respects you. This women has no respect for you, she thinks your a total joke. If she didn't why would she throw it in your face that she went out on a date with you but spent the night getting fvcked hard and good by AMOG.

You need to start thinking about her sucking AMOG's c0ck. Get that picture in your head and don't forget it. Anytime you think about how attractive she is, picture her sucking AMOG's c0ck. Its your only hope for survival.
 

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Hey guys,

thanks for all of your replies and insights. It really helps me to get my mind cleared and the 'wool over my eyes HAS been removed'! Ofcourse, it will be hard to let go of this girl, but the way MacAvoy describes it, is eye-opening!
By the way, when I picture V. sucking AMOGs c0ck, I get turned on... but I get your point... LOL

@ Sinistar,
Judging from your timeline and your talk about V allowing the AMOG to bang her with you around, you have been implicitly LJBF'd. She knows you'll accompany her to go shopping, dinner and beach parties without laying any move on her ... like her girfrends would do.
I didn't see it like this untill you mentioned it! I don't know if you're familiar with David DeAngelo? He's one of many 'date-experts' having his own book/cd/dvd collection. His book "Double Your Dating" was the first book I ever read about DJ-techniques.

Anyway, he mentioned the 'shop date' as a alternative for going on a 'real' date. The whole setting is different and the tension on the whole 'date-thing' will be less, so the atmosphere is more laid back...

This approach was what I needed, I thought (wrong move!?) Like you said, I should have laid more moves on her. Now it was more like having a shop-buddy! Damn me!

@ Realsmoothie, thanks for your reply. It made my day :)
@ Girlcrazy, tometo, tomato...
@ MacAvoy, thanks for the B!tchSlap Session! I really needed this, although I had to read it twice... the tears in my eyes blurred my vision :up:

Guys, once again RESPECT to y'all and I'll keep you informed of what happens next...

Dr. Jackle
 
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