LJBF; cancelling "date" last second

[Splunghe]

Ok!

So there's this girl I kind of like, but she LJBF'ed me (before I even told her I liked her*...she said there "are a lot of things in you I am looking for in a guy, but I see you just as a friend".
So that girl wants (before she told me that) to have a 'date' (actually just an appointment, where the both of us are going to drink somewhere together) and I agreed on a date (saturday) she proposed. Ever since she told me the LJBF news, I ignore (no contact) her or say I'm busy whenever she talks to me.

Now there's this other girl, just a friend, but we always tease eachother, being very sexual and we're both very touchy. She doesn't mind if I spank her ass, touch her boobs etc. She has a BF though. We were talking the other day and we decided we should see eachother sometime...

So now I'm thinking: Do I cancel the 'date' with girl 1 (and mention to her about girl 2) or do I go on the 'date' with girl 1?

Also some info about next move to get out of the friendzone (and I mean EVERY bit of info: mentioning dates, ignoring, what to do if I see her etc).

*just for the record: I never told her.

 

[Iceberg]

Ok!

So there's this girl I kind of like, but she LJBF'ed me (before I even told her I liked her*...she said there "are a lot of things in you I am looking for in a guy, but I see you just as a friend".
So that girl wants (before she told me that) to have a 'date' (actually just an appointment, where the both of us are going to drink somewhere together) and I agreed on a date (saturday) she proposed. Ever since she told me the LJBF news, I ignore (no contact) her or say I'm busy whenever she talks to me.

Now there's this other girl, just a friend, but we always tease eachother, being very sexual and we're both very touchy. She doesn't mind if I spank her ass, touch her boobs etc. She has a BF though. We were talking the other day and we decided we should see eachother sometime...

So now I'm thinking: Do I cancel the 'date' with girl 1 (and mention to her about girl 2) or do I go on the 'date' with girl 1?

Also some info about next move to get out of the friendzone (and I mean EVERY bit of info: mentioning dates, ignoring, what to do if I see her etc).

*just for the record: I never told her.

It seems like girl 1 is a lost cause.

And girl 2 is just another version of girl 1. A "friend", as you described her. Of course she lets you spank her ass. You're not a sexual threat in any way whatsoever. She'd probably let you shower with her.

So whatever. I blame you for getting in situations where you take a girl you have sexual interest in, and let yourself end up in her friend zone.

Cancel your date with girl 1. DON'T mention girl 2. And go find yourself some prospects that you can actually f**k. Or better yet, if these girls are your friends, you could possibly use them as a gateway into other girls.

Either way, I don't recommend "breaking out of the friend zone". That's just wasting time on 1 girl. Go focus on the millions of girls who you aren't in the friend zone with. It's a lot easier than dedicating time to get out of one girl's FZ.

 

[Splunghe]

It seems like girl 1 is a lost cause.

And girl 2 is just another version of girl 1. A "friend", as you described her. Of course she lets you spank her ass. You're not a sexual threat in any way whatsoever. She'd probably let you shower with her.

So whatever. I blame you for getting in situations where you take a girl you have sexual interest in, and let yourself end up in her friend zone.

Cancel your date with girl 1. DON'T mention girl 2. And go find yourself some prospects that you can actually f**k. Or better yet, if these girls are your friends, you could possibly use them as a gateway into other girls.

Either way, I don't recommend "breaking out of the friend zone". That's just wasting time on 1 girl. Go focus on the millions of girls who you aren't in the friend zone with. It's a lot easier than dedicating time to get out of one girl's FZ.

I'm not giving up on other girls because of this girl (it would probably even give me a better chance), but I am trying to get out of the FZ.
There's more than just the "I like" reason...this whole PUA stuff is really new to me. I'm still trying to figure out if things really work and how...getting out of a FZ seems like a typical "play the game" situation (+ what's more easy than doing nothing/minimal effort)

 

[Maximus Rex]

Read the DJ Bible, The Book of Pook, The Game, and The Mystery Method, before you ask another question.

 

[blueline]

The friend zone is simply a polite way of telling someone that you do not find them physically attractive. With most women, no amount of psychological manipulation can really get you out of the friend zone. However, sometimes this manipulation does work on a very insecure women and you end up having sex with her. The problem with the aforementioned situation is that she's not actually into you (unless she's physically attracted to you and other dudes don't really exist to her, it doesn't count), she's just having sex with you to heal the wounds you caused to her self-esteem by manipulating her.

It's really a gigantic waste of fucking time to actively attempt to get out of the friend zone, no matter how hot the woman is. Unless you have unrealistically high expectations regarding the type of woman you can get, there are strong odds you'll run into a girl that's equally as attractive as this girl you're oneitising over. It actually ends up working on a very insignificant amount women.

If you really want to make an attempt to manipulate girl 1, cancel the date with her. Don't tell her that you've got another girl you're looking to date, it's too obvious of a manipulation tactic and only works on girls that are either obviously into you or super insecure. Here's my alternative to verbalizing that you're with girl 2: if girl 2 is only marginally less attractive or equally as attractive as girl 1, then manage to bump into girl 1 while you're out with girl 2 sometime. During this period of 2-3 months, you should only exchange pleasantries with girl 1 if you are in a situation where you have to interact with her. Otherwise, girl 1 shouldn't exist to you.

If you remember girl 1 in 2-3 months, then go ahead and check in on her. If girl 2 isn't as attractive as girl 1 or only marginally less attractive, then forget about actively manipulating girl 1 altogether. Forget about girl 1 forever and if you turn into a hot enough guy to have sex with her, she'll manage to find you.

 

[Uberguy]

Unless she's a 9.5 or 10, Girl 1 is not worth the amount of effort it would take to get out of the friendzone. Cancel the date with her and focus your time and energy on someone better.

 

[Iceberg]

I'm not giving up on other girls because of this girl (it would probably even give me a better chance), but I am trying to get out of the FZ.
There's more than just the "I like" reason...this whole PUA stuff is really new to me. I'm still trying to figure out if things really work and how...getting out of a FZ seems like a typical "play the game" situation (+ what's more easy than doing nothing/minimal effort)

Getting out of the FZ isn't a typical "play the game" situation, because when a man is skilled at getting women, he doesn't end up in the FZ.

Getting out of the FZ is a typical situation for an inexperienced guy, because 1- he gets himself into the FZ. and 2 (most importantly) he OBSESSES over landing the girl who put him in the FZ.

Now that you've seen everyone else agree that it's a waste of time to chase a FZ girl, maybe you'll consider that I just might have an idea of what I'm talking about. The best way to get out of the FZ is to forget the girl and come back when you're a new and improved man. But by then, you'd have other options anyway.

 

[f283000]

Getting out of the FZ isn't a typical "play the game" situation, because when a man is skilled at getting women, he doesn't end up in the FZ.

Getting out of the FZ is a typical situation for an inexperienced guy, because 1- he gets himself into the FZ. and 2 (most importantly) he OBSESSES over landing the girl who put him in the FZ.

Now that you've seen everyone else agree that it's a waste of time to chase a FZ girl, maybe you'll consider that I just might have an idea of what I'm talking about. The best way to get out of the FZ is to forget the girl and come back when you're a new and improved man. But by then, you'd have other options anyway.

Excellent post! This sums it up right here.

Now when it comes to girl 2 you need to stop feeding her ego and make her put out or shut up. There's only 1 move you need to make and that is invite her to meet you somewhere "private."

Girls with bf's are not meant to be paraded around town, taken on dates and be seen with. You take her to a place with a bed and take care of business and that's pretty much it. If she says no it means she is just interested in you feeding her ego while she bangs her boyfriend every night.

 

[Falcon25]

Listen to me you fat piece of shivt. There is only ONE way to get out of the friendzone, and that only works 20 percent of time. SHE HAS TO SEE YOU WITH ANOTHER WOMAN. Even then, it may not work. Next time, stop being a puvsy. You know who says "I like you"? Women. Women say that to me. I say it after they say it. Stop being a whimp. Start getting other women around her. Let her see what she's missing. I would personally walk.