little reminder of consistency

[madgame]

I know Ive said this before and most people on here already know it but just as a little reminder for those who just started working out. A friend of mine who started working out a couple of months ago or so has a leg injury but said himself he could already work his upperbody out again / and his other leg, but doesnt do it. This means hes taking a break of like at least month ...most of the little gains he could make in the weeks before will vanish by not working out for such a long time. Everybody whos been working out for a couple of years and has been making gains knows this: you're fighting to do one more rep with the weights your using hoping to get to the top of your 6-8 rep range so you can put on more weight and everytime you need to rest because of injury/illness/etc. makes your gains vanish (though you should take a break of like a week maybe even 2 of not working out every couple of months but usually u do this anyways if u dont workout when ure sick/on vacation etc.). Its not that different when ure starting to work out, though youre making gains more easily..but all in all its the same thing.

 

[WORKEROUTER]

Here's a little reminder: learn to write a coherent paragraph!

I could barely understand what the hell you are trying to say. And regarding your friend, well it might be better if he DOES stay away from weights. He probably injured himself because he didn't know what he was doing, and quite frankly, if he doesn't know what he is doing, then he shouldn't be deciding whether or not he can start working out again (unless he wants to injure himself again).

Working only one leg is retarded. First of all, it is nearly impossible to isolate the movement of one leg. Second, that would create an off-balance. The upper body would probably be okay.

Gains just don't "vanish." If you're injured, then it's probably smarter to lay off until you're better and try to see WHY you got injured and try to avoid such things in the future. The same goes if you have an illness.

 

[madgame]

Here's a little reminder: learn to write a coherent paragraph!

English isnt my first language and I kinda was in a hurry while I was writing this but thought it might be good to do so. I apologize to you ;-)

I could barely understand what the hell you are trying to say. And regarding your friend, well it might be better if he DOES stay away from weights. He probably injured himself because he didn't know what he was doing, and quite frankly, if he doesn't know what he is doing, then he shouldn't be deciding whether or not he can start working out again (unless he wants to injure himself again).

Nice assumption but he hurt himself during football practice...

Working only one leg is retarded. First of all, it is nearly impossible to isolate the movement of one leg. Second, that would create an off-balance. The upper body would probably be okay.

I dont think its nearly impossible to isolate the movement of one leg, but I agree that it creates an off-balance...of course the upper body would be okay if u use exercises during which u can sit for example.

Gains just don't "vanish." If you're injured, then it's probably smarter to lay off until you're better and try to see WHY you got injured and try to avoid such things in the future. The same goes if you have an illness.

Of course its smarter to lay off until you're better if you got injured/ have an illness, however u can still workout your upper-body if you just injured one of your leg and know you can do so (have a physician who told you you could...)

*cough* What do you mean by gains just don't "vanish" ?

 

[Abnigh9]

Originally posted by madgame

*cough* What do you mean by gains just don't "vanish" ?

Gains usually don't just disappear if you supply the proper nutrient and even if you don't exercise, it'll take a long time.
If you're an ectomorph, then your gain tend to disappear slowly but quicker than the other "morphs".

I'm a mesomorph but I haven't worked out for nearly 5 month, I still have my nice biceps and thighs. I may not be as STRONG (which is what you really mean, as strong as you use to be) as I use to be.

 

[madgame]

I can get away with not working out for a week or a little longer (I work out each muscle twice a week with less sets than I probably would if I only worked them out once a week), but everything longer than that usually causes decreases in my strength. You said you havent worked out for almost 5 months, probably lost strength but still have your nice muscles...Usually strength and mass correlate. So if you lose a lot of strength youll lose muscle mass too.

Im pretty sure If I didnt work out for a few months all the gains that Ive made over the years wont vanish in this time, but Im pretty sure my bench might decrease by 20lbs maybe 20kgs or whatever (depending on how long the break is of course...) and it wouldnt make such a big difference in my appearance, but it would take me quite some time to get back to my peak performance and if I was still trying to gain mass I would have to get back to that performance first which would definetly take a couple of weeks (depending on how long the break was...) before I could start thinking about lifting heavier than ever before and thus getting bigger than before.

For example: I currently bench for reps with 247,5 lbs and when I did so with about 209 lbs (still remember that..thats y I took this number) I probably did look less muscular, but it wasnt that much of a difference, so if I stopped working out for a few months and could only do reps with 209lbs again I might be fooled into thinking: well my strength decreased but I still got my muscles so its all good. This might be okay if you dont want to put on any more mass, because then u could simply start working out again when u realize that your muscles are smaller than u want em to be all of a sudden, but if u still want to put on more mass/increase your strength itll cost you weeks/ months (depending on the length of the break...).

I think this is exactly the same thing (the other way around though) with newbies who say: "I increased my bench press by 50lbs but the gains are hardly visible! WTF? Why am I not growing/ Why dont I look like a monster?".

Bottom line (my opinion): If you want to put on mass/ gain strength its crucial that you work out constantly and dont rest (for weeks/months) if you dont have too. If youre ill / injured and working out would thus be unhealthy for you you should rest of course...

 

[Abnigh9]

Originally posted by madgame
I can get away with not working out for a week or a little longer (I work out each muscle twice a week with less sets than I probably would if I only worked them out once a week), but everything longer than that usually causes decreases in my strength. You said you havent worked out for almost 5 months, probably lost strength but still have your nice muscles...Usually strength and mass correlate. So if you lose a lot of strength youll lose muscle mass too.

I'm not going to argue because I have to go now, got a meeting. So what I'll say is this, strength and mass correlate to a small degree. Muscle do not generate your strength, your CNS does. Bruce Lee (as an example) weigh probably less than you but hell he can kick your ass.

I lost strength but not mass. If what you said was true, Arnold can beat any MMA/Pride/etc fighters out there because he has the most muscle (and huge muscles).

 

[madgame]

I'm not going to argue because I have to go now, got a meeting. So what I'll say is this, strength and mass correlate to a small degree. Muscle do not generate your strength, your CNS does. Bruce Lee (as an example) weigh probably less than you but hell he can kick your ass.

Muscle does generate your strength and mass/strength correlate to more than a small degree and I bet you Arnold (back in the day) could lift waaaay more weight than most other people. Im from germany and one of the top bodybuilders here once became german bench press champion....I guess theres a lot of other examples that huge guys can usually bench press (or whatever exercise u choose) more weight than skinnier guys...

You said you had been a martial artist for a lot of years once, didnt u?... Anyways Bruce Lee could have probably kicked Arnold Schwarzenegger's ass at ease, because there's a lot more to martial arts than "strength". They said Bruce could punch harder than somebody twice his weight..and you wanna know why? Not because of his superior strength but because of his incredible SPEED (the faster you punch the harder you hit). I bet you Arnold Schwarzenegger would have been able to bench or squat at least twice of what bruce could (because he had more "strength" than bruce). And yeah of course Bruce would of kicked my ass, though I weigh more than he did.

I lost strength but not mass. If what you said was true, Arnold can beat any MMA/Pride/etc fighters out there because he has the most muscle (and huge muscles).

I really cant believe somebody who says they practice martial arts twice a day and has been doing so for many years (that was you right?) says that the guy with the highest strength should be able to beat any other fighter. Strength/ Size does play a role in martial arts, but so do technique, speed, being able to evade/block punches......

 

[Abnigh9]

Originally posted by madgame
Muscle does generate your strength and mass/strength correlate to more than a small degree and I bet you Arnold (back in the day) could lift waaaay more weight than most other people. Im from germany and one of the top bodybuilders here once became german bench press champion....I guess theres a lot of other examples that huge guys can usually bench press (or whatever exercise u choose) more weight than skinnier guys...

Ok, then put it this way, if you're strong in bench press, it doesn't mean you'll be strong in squatting or deadlifting (among with other exercise), you'll just be strong in that MOTION of the bench press.

You said you had been a martial artist for a lot of years once, didnt u?...

An amatuer fighter, not martial artist.

Anyways Bruce Lee could have probably kicked Arnold Schwarzenegger's ass at ease, because there's a lot more to martial arts than "strength". They said Bruce could punch harder than somebody twice his weight..and you wanna know why? Not because of his superior strength but because of his incredible SPEED (the faster you punch the harder you hit).

Uh, no. It's possible to punch lightly and quickly.

I bet you Arnold Schwarzenegger would have been able to bench or squat at least twice of what bruce could (because he had more "strength" than bruce). And yeah of course Bruce would of kicked my ass, though I weigh more than he did.

Refer to my first quote, Arnold is powerful in a particular motion in a certain exercise, which does not denote his strength in the rest of the world, like real-life power as they call it. Arnold can lie down and push other things that weight the same as a barbell does (in general). But that does not mean Arnold is everything because he can bench press high and strong. Some people like to denote weight lifting as the be all end all. It's not.

I really cant believe somebody who says they practice martial arts twice a day and has been doing so for many years (that was you right?) says that the guy with the highest strength should be able to beat any other fighter. Strength/ Size does play a role in martial arts, but so do technique, speed, being able to evade/block punches......

Nope, that wasn't me.

I'm just saying, if we don't count technique, speed, evasion, and all other non-power related attribute, who would win? That's what I'm saying. Well no more arguing, I just came back from a tiring day. Phew.

One more thing, please man, don't give advice. It's hard to understand and at time you contradict.
Don't post anymore reply to me because I won't be replying.

 

[madgame]

Ok, then put it this way, if you're strong in bench press, it doesn't mean you'll be strong in squatting or deadlifting (among with other exercise), you'll just be strong in that MOTION of the bench press.

Sorry but I never said that you're gonna be strong in squatting or dead lifting just because you're strong in bench press. But you will be strong(er) in every other exercise that uses your chest.

Uh, no. It's possible to punch lightly and quickly.

Uh, yeah you can punch lightly and quickly if u use a "light" punch with a snapping motion for example, cause your body wont be "behind" that punch. However the quicker this motion is the harder the punch will be. Hitting power = Speed multiplied by the mass behind the punch. Read it up (Im sure u could even read it in bruce lee's books) or ask some martial artist / fighter who knows their stuff...

In other words: If speed didnt have anything to do with the power of a punch you would be able to hit your opponent hard even if your punch was so slow that it took it 5 seconds to reach your opponent, right?

Refer to my first quote, Arnold is powerful in a particular motion in a certain exercise, which does not denote his strength in the rest of the world, like real-life power as they call it. Arnold can lie down and push other things that weight the same as a barbell does (in general). But that does not mean Arnold is everything because he can bench press high and strong. Some people like to denote weight lifting as the be all end all. It's not.

Okay and now show me where I said that somebody who is able to bench press a lot of weight is everything/ a strong person in the rest of the world lol. I assumed we were talking about weight lifting and the correalation between the size of a certain muscle (chest for example) and the strength in a certain exercise in which that muscle is used.

My statement was: A person increases their strength in bench press (a lot) ---> Their chest muscles (and triceps) will get bigger.
Thus their chest muscles will get smaller if they stop working out (or take a break of many months) and their strength in the bench press decreases a lot.

I'm just saying, if we don't count technique, speed, evasion, and all other non-power related attribute, who would win?

You NEVER EVER said that and if u had said it this statement wouldnt make sense at all:

Bruce Lee (as an example) weigh probably less than you but hell he can kick your ass.

If we did NOT count technique, speed, evasion,.. I guess Id have a good chance of winning lol. However if we did (which is the case in real life) Bruce would of kicked my ass...

One more thing, please man, don't give advice. It's hard to understand and at time you contradict.

1. Show me where I contradict
2. Ill keep on giving advice cause you're the one who's wrong and your reasoning is weak as you can see above.
3. I'm sorry my original thread was hard to understand, usually I would have reread and edited it but I had to get off the comp quickly. My other threads are usually not too hard to understand I hope.

Don't post anymore reply to me because I won't be replying.

Whateva man lol