Hey guys,
I've tried asking this question on the general discussion forum, but got some somewhat generic advice and I would rather get it from those in my age group because my situation might be more age related (or not..I dunno).
I sarged a bit today during the day, talked to 6 lone wolfs and got one maybe good number. I know it might not sound like a lot, but there weren't many options and that was what the day was for. I swear my results have gotten worse and worse over time and I am in a bad place with regard to rejection. I would be soooo appreciative of any advice that experienced guys that are very good with women can tell me. I am having a helluva time figuring out what is wrong with my approaches. I'll try to be brief but list out the convo's here and hopefully someone can send me in the right direction. I am sooo f*cking conflicted with advice right now on things like:
Should I be touching, showing dominance, showing interest, being direct, indirect, just focus on having fun and damn it all, is the game being talked about ONLY for nightclubs? Does it only work in certain areas, only for certain types of girls?, , focus on a low key vibe, only hit on those showing obvious interest blah blah blah. I swear to god it is VERY important to me to get this stuff handled already and I am willing to put in the work, but there are 1,000,000 directions I could go in and I can't figure out which one it should be .
I am 29, white guy, think (and have been told that I am) good looking, In pretty good shape, and have a kid that I have joint (but not legal) custody of.
1st approach:
Saw this girl I spoke to in a spiritual store previously and talked to her for a bit. She was waiting for food and actually did a reading on my hand (I know..the irony...she was serious though and it was interesting). We spoke for a while and at the end she had to go. I told her she seemed cool and said we should hang out some time. I told her to give me her number and handed her my phone. She gave me a card with her number on it and we parted ways.
2nd approach:
Saw her at a borders. I was sitting down eating something, saw her fix her hair a few times and look at me. She got up and was looking around at some books. I was holding a book that said you could learn French in 90 days and I said to her "Do you think that's possible?"
She laughs and says no, I don't think so. say something like it would be great if you could and learn like 4 languages a year. She walks away and starts looking at some kids books. I come by and ask her "how old is your kid?" She tells me it is for her friends kid trying to learn English, and he is in Japan. I tell her that's great and chat a bit about what I know of Japan, and an interesting story about Hiroshima. I then at some point say we should hang out sometime and to give me her number. She says "No, I'm not going to do that". I say "are you sure" (or some other gay @ss thing) and she refuses. I thought we were getting along ok... whatever
3rd approach:
At a trade show for I.T., there was a cute girl that I made some comments that were pertinent and funny about it not being desired near (but not to) this cute chick there. She laughed and I smiled a little. Later on I saw her at another booth and I was asking her about her phone, because I wanted to get one and she said that it was no good (crackberry storm) because of the keyboard. I said I wanted to change mine out because it had no camera to take pictures of cute girls I meet at trade shows and pretended to line her up for a picture. She smiled. When she is saying something else about her phone, I say, you know what else is wrong with it, is that it doesn't have my phone number in it. I thought that was suave, she didn't. I ask her her name, put it in my phone and say "here, punch your number in there XXX (name)" she says "you mean for work?" I say no. She says, then why? I said to have fun and hang out. She says ohhhh no, I don' think so. I'll give you my work number. I take it but whatever. Ohh I also tease her a bit because the company she works for is doing something that I wanted to do a long time ago and I tell her she stole it from me. She was a pretty serious chick, and at work, which might have been the reason she was so put off. Later I stuck my tong out at her. I know she saw me but didn't acknowledge.
4th approach:
Talked to a girl that was looking at a video camera. She went ok, but wasn't too hot and I think only wanted my number for work purposes. eh...
5th approach (approach of pain and misery):
This girl at my gym that works the front desk. After talking to her for a minute, leaning in, getting flustered (f$ck), she is telling me that she is so busy she never even gets a chance to go to the beach. I tell her she should have more fun and get out. I tell her that we should go to the beach sometime, she misinterprets and I say, no you and I should go sometime XXX, what's your number? She tells me she is way too busy right now, but to ask her agian later, but maybe not exactly like that.
6th approach:
After pain I pushed on, tried not to care and tried to regroup. I went to a different mall and saw some girl sitting on the ground in the book isle. I spoke to my friend earlier and he recommended trying uglier girls for a confidence boost. I had no idea what this one looked like, but I saw her ass on the way past and it was no panties, nice @ss. I mention something about a cute kid dressed in a suit and pointed it out to her, she kind of smiled. I asked her if she was a trader (she was holding some stock market books), she said she was trying to learn. I smiled and told her she found the right guy, that I know everything she needs to know. She said OH really or something. I told her a few things about the market, but I wasn't doing it in a great way and kind of hurried it along and got lost a bit. At some point I ask her if she wants to sit in a chair, she says no she had to leave soon. After talking for a bit she gets up, I get up. I tell her a bit more and to be careful and don't trade futures. I ask her what she does, she tells me she is in school, I say cool I was thinking of going back, she doesn't say much. I ask her what she is studying, she says she doesn't know...??? I ask her what she did before school and she says "this and that". I figure (but didn't say) she was a stripper (fake titties and tatoos on them). I ask her if she'd like to get together sometime, she says a resounding "no".
What sucked about the last one is that she was NOT that cute. In fact I would say that she was a 6 for face at best, but the body of a 9.
I'm chalking a lot of this up to a learning experience, but I need some serious help. I'm no kid anymore and need some good advice. Please, please help me.
I've tried asking this question on the general discussion forum, but got some somewhat generic advice and I would rather get it from those in my age group because my situation might be more age related (or not..I dunno).
I sarged a bit today during the day, talked to 6 lone wolfs and got one maybe good number. I know it might not sound like a lot, but there weren't many options and that was what the day was for. I swear my results have gotten worse and worse over time and I am in a bad place with regard to rejection. I would be soooo appreciative of any advice that experienced guys that are very good with women can tell me. I am having a helluva time figuring out what is wrong with my approaches. I'll try to be brief but list out the convo's here and hopefully someone can send me in the right direction. I am sooo f*cking conflicted with advice right now on things like:
Should I be touching, showing dominance, showing interest, being direct, indirect, just focus on having fun and damn it all, is the game being talked about ONLY for nightclubs? Does it only work in certain areas, only for certain types of girls?, , focus on a low key vibe, only hit on those showing obvious interest blah blah blah. I swear to god it is VERY important to me to get this stuff handled already and I am willing to put in the work, but there are 1,000,000 directions I could go in and I can't figure out which one it should be .
I am 29, white guy, think (and have been told that I am) good looking, In pretty good shape, and have a kid that I have joint (but not legal) custody of.
1st approach:
Saw this girl I spoke to in a spiritual store previously and talked to her for a bit. She was waiting for food and actually did a reading on my hand (I know..the irony...she was serious though and it was interesting). We spoke for a while and at the end she had to go. I told her she seemed cool and said we should hang out some time. I told her to give me her number and handed her my phone. She gave me a card with her number on it and we parted ways.
2nd approach:
Saw her at a borders. I was sitting down eating something, saw her fix her hair a few times and look at me. She got up and was looking around at some books. I was holding a book that said you could learn French in 90 days and I said to her "Do you think that's possible?"
She laughs and says no, I don't think so. say something like it would be great if you could and learn like 4 languages a year. She walks away and starts looking at some kids books. I come by and ask her "how old is your kid?" She tells me it is for her friends kid trying to learn English, and he is in Japan. I tell her that's great and chat a bit about what I know of Japan, and an interesting story about Hiroshima. I then at some point say we should hang out sometime and to give me her number. She says "No, I'm not going to do that". I say "are you sure" (or some other gay @ss thing) and she refuses. I thought we were getting along ok... whatever
3rd approach:
At a trade show for I.T., there was a cute girl that I made some comments that were pertinent and funny about it not being desired near (but not to) this cute chick there. She laughed and I smiled a little. Later on I saw her at another booth and I was asking her about her phone, because I wanted to get one and she said that it was no good (crackberry storm) because of the keyboard. I said I wanted to change mine out because it had no camera to take pictures of cute girls I meet at trade shows and pretended to line her up for a picture. She smiled. When she is saying something else about her phone, I say, you know what else is wrong with it, is that it doesn't have my phone number in it. I thought that was suave, she didn't. I ask her her name, put it in my phone and say "here, punch your number in there XXX (name)" she says "you mean for work?" I say no. She says, then why? I said to have fun and hang out. She says ohhhh no, I don' think so. I'll give you my work number. I take it but whatever. Ohh I also tease her a bit because the company she works for is doing something that I wanted to do a long time ago and I tell her she stole it from me. She was a pretty serious chick, and at work, which might have been the reason she was so put off. Later I stuck my tong out at her. I know she saw me but didn't acknowledge.
4th approach:
Talked to a girl that was looking at a video camera. She went ok, but wasn't too hot and I think only wanted my number for work purposes. eh...
5th approach (approach of pain and misery):
This girl at my gym that works the front desk. After talking to her for a minute, leaning in, getting flustered (f$ck), she is telling me that she is so busy she never even gets a chance to go to the beach. I tell her she should have more fun and get out. I tell her that we should go to the beach sometime, she misinterprets and I say, no you and I should go sometime XXX, what's your number? She tells me she is way too busy right now, but to ask her agian later, but maybe not exactly like that.
6th approach:
After pain I pushed on, tried not to care and tried to regroup. I went to a different mall and saw some girl sitting on the ground in the book isle. I spoke to my friend earlier and he recommended trying uglier girls for a confidence boost. I had no idea what this one looked like, but I saw her ass on the way past and it was no panties, nice @ss. I mention something about a cute kid dressed in a suit and pointed it out to her, she kind of smiled. I asked her if she was a trader (she was holding some stock market books), she said she was trying to learn. I smiled and told her she found the right guy, that I know everything she needs to know. She said OH really or something. I told her a few things about the market, but I wasn't doing it in a great way and kind of hurried it along and got lost a bit. At some point I ask her if she wants to sit in a chair, she says no she had to leave soon. After talking for a bit she gets up, I get up. I tell her a bit more and to be careful and don't trade futures. I ask her what she does, she tells me she is in school, I say cool I was thinking of going back, she doesn't say much. I ask her what she is studying, she says she doesn't know...??? I ask her what she did before school and she says "this and that". I figure (but didn't say) she was a stripper (fake titties and tatoos on them). I ask her if she'd like to get together sometime, she says a resounding "no".
What sucked about the last one is that she was NOT that cute. In fact I would say that she was a 6 for face at best, but the body of a 9.
I'm chalking a lot of this up to a learning experience, but I need some serious help. I'm no kid anymore and need some good advice. Please, please help me.
