Lessons learned after a successful trip back to NYC (long post)

[Stanley]

Then bro, MOVE THERE. Cannot due to finances? Work on that rather than arguing on here brother.

As for NYC, it has gotten really bad dude. The Bronx, Brownsville in Brooklyn, and anywhere outside of Manhattan has awful crime rates. Heck, even in Manhattan you read of a runner being beaten up and raped or a woman being pushed off the tracks.

Again what? Lol I don't want to live in the city. I'm sharing how ****ty it has gotten and Chicagoans are leaving. Cities on the whole in America are on a steep decline, its like the collapse of western society or something.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Again what? Lol I don't want to live in the city. I'm sharing how ****ty it has gotten and Chicagoans are leaving. Cities on the whole in America are on a steep decline, its like the collapse of western society or something.

no it’s called liberalism. It’ll pass. Meanwhile get in somewhere you like and realize that most people are stuck in the same rat race you are and that if you’re in the right neighborhoods you can have sex with them.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I mean it is not at the level of NYC or Miami in terms of looks but it isn't exactly Atlanta either. I went and found my fair share of cute blondes and approachable enough girls. I'd find it hard to imagine that a sausagefest like Phoenix is better.

The male competition isn't very strong here. There's a good deal more competition on the female side. Atlanta is only good for black girls lolz.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Again what? Lol I don't want to live in the city. I'm sharing how ****ty it has gotten and Chicagoans are leaving. Cities on the whole in America are on a steep decline, its like the collapse of western society or something.

I get what you are saying and you are correct. Ever since COVID, it has gotten so bad. I used to be in Buckhead and shop at the mall in Atlanta, after COVID, it needs private security now. However, from a guy that just turned 30, hit it hard young padawan. It only gets rougher from here on out. I used to think like you and thought the world was ending in my mid-20s. Little did I know I let so much pu$$y pass me up with the dooming and then COVID hit. Get out there, have at it, you won't be in your 20s forever.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

no it’s called liberalism. It’ll pass. Meanwhile get in somewhere you like and realize that most people are stuck in the same rat race you are and that if you’re in the right neighborhoods you can have sex with them.

This ain't no cycle or phase man, there is definitely nefarious collusion at the highest and hidden levels. 9/11 was a massive red flag.

All the more reason to try and cash in on the decline now before it gets worse and the women collectively get too anxiety-ridden.

 

[Stanley]

I get what you are saying and you are correct. Ever since COVID, it has gotten so bad. I used to be in Buckhead and shop at the mall in Atlanta, after COVID, it needs private security now. However, from a guy that just turned 30, hit it hard young padawan. It only gets rougher from here on out. I used to think like you and thought the world was ending in my mid-20s. Little did I know I let so much pu$$y pass me up with the dooming and then COVID hit. Get out there, have at it, you won't be in your 20s forever.

Nah man I'm grinding and realizing my potential hardcore. I'm only staying in the midwest for a short while longer, I want warm weather. Mid 20's is just getting started, haven't felt more motivated in my life then I am now

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

The male competition isn't very strong here. There's a good deal more competition on the female side. Atlanta is only good for black girls lolz.

I have found the women of AZ unbearable but hey, that is always a plus lol. You are correct about Atlanta, after black girls, the quality of all other races sucks. However, there is something woefully off about AZ women that makes them toxic in my experience.

 

[Divorced w 3]

This ain't no cycle or phase man, there is definitely nefarious collusion at the highest and hidden levels. 9/11 was a massive red flag.

All the more reason to try and cash in on the decline now before it gets worse and the women collectively get too anxiety-ridden.

Easy does it.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Nah man I'm grinding and realizing my potential hardcore. I'm only staying in the midwest for a short while longer, I want warm weather. Mid 20's is just getting started, haven't felt more motivated in my life then I am now

I disagree my friend. If game is your priority and you want to get laid a lot, it gets harder as you get older. Society judges you more for sleeping around and your sex drive goes down with age. If you want to achieve a high lay count after the age of 30, you have to really want it and really sacrifice for it too. Life starts to get in the way more when you turn 30 so best to get it out of the way now. I know I have some sacrifices to make but hey, it is what it is.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

This ain't no cycle or phase man, there is definitely nefarious collusion at the highest and hidden levels. 9/11 was a massive red flag.

All the more reason to try and cash in on the decline now before it gets worse and the women collectively get too anxiety-ridden.

Heck yeah. Hence the urgency on my end. I cannot believe how many opportunities I passed up before 2016 when the word was still somewhat sane. Now I feel the clock for getting a high lay count ticking. The government will undoubtedly crack down on what we do with game hard and with Cancel Culture and Feminazi TikTok culture on the rise, it will only get worse. My hopes are to have enough fun with the game and then be done with it, move on to a slower life in a small town after that.

 

[Stanley]

I disagree my friend. If game is your priority and you want to get laid a lot, it gets harder as you get older. Society judges you more for sleeping around and your sex drive goes down with age. If you want to achieve a high lay count after the age of 30, you have to really want it and really sacrifice for it too. Life starts to get in the way more when you turn 30 so best to get it out of the way now. I know I have some sacrifices to make but hey, it is what it is.

Part of that grind is game, it just isn't a priority, success is.

 

[logicallefty]

LMFAO! Dude, you must live in a crappy part of Chicago but I am sorry, if you cannot get laid in Chicago then the problem is most definitely you. I found the women in Chicago far more approachable than girls in any other city I have been to. @logicallefty grew up in Chicago and so did some other mods on here. Stop making excuses bro.

I didn't grow up in the actual City of Chicago, but I live close enough to it that I can visit it easily as much as needed. So I guess it would be Chicago to some.

As far as women in the area go, I've made the best of it. A lot of the foreign women prefer dating men of their own nationality, such as the Indian women and Hispanic women. Especially the Indian women they are REALLY hard to game. I wish I knew the trick (before I was married, I mean lol ) A lot of the white women here prefer black men. But for any women left, a lot of them are completely approachable and some are just down right c\{}/nts. I've had good luck chit chatting with a lot of black women because their humor type and mine seems to be a lot alike. They think I am funny. Speaking specifically about white women, the blondes seem to be the friendliest, redheads in the middle, and brunettes the most b|tchy. My wife is a blonde when she doesn't mess with the color.

These are my observations about where I live.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I have found the women of AZ unbearable but hey, that is always a plus lol. You are correct about Atlanta, after black girls, the quality of all other races sucks. However, there is something woefully off about AZ women that makes them toxic in my experience.

It's a boring place as far as urban environments go so as @SW15 says, they can be status-conscious but it's not as superficial as LA. Because it's boring here if you have an interesting personality/vibe you can really stand out here in a good way.

If you go away from Old town Scottsdale into the blander areas they women aren't really all that b1tchy. The bland-area women (which is 85% of the metro here) are much more agreeable and pleasant than those anywhere in socal.

As always, ymmv.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I didn't grow up in the actual City of Chicago, but I live close enough to it that I can visit it easily as much as needed. So I guess it would be Chicago to some.

As far as women in the area go, I've made the best of it. A lot of the foreign women prefer dating men of their own nationality, such as the Indian women and Hispanic women. Especially the Indian women they are REALLY hard to game. I wish I knew the trick (before I was married, I mean lol ) A lot of the white women here prefer black men. But for any women left, a lot of them are completely approachable and some are just down right c\{}/nts. I've had good luck chit chatting with a lot of black women because their humor type and mine seems to be a lot alike. They think I am funny. Speaking specifically about white women, the blondes seem to be the friendliest, redheads in the middle, and brunettes the most b|tchy. My wife is a blonde when she doesn't mess with the color.

These are my observations about where I live.

Chicagoland does have a somewhat high Italian population.

Demographics of Chicago - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Chicago has one of the largest concentrations of Italian Americans in the US, with more than 500,000 living in the metropolitan area. Chicago has the third largest Italian American population in the United States, behind only New York City and Philadelphia."

 

[Stanley]

Chicagoland does have a somewhat high Italian population.

Demographics of Chicago - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Chicago has one of the largest concentrations of Italian Americans in the US, with more than 500,000 living in the metropolitan area. Chicago has the third largest Italian American population in the United States, behind only New York City and Philadelphia."

Oh big time, the Chicago Mooks! Loveable sorts of people with really friendly women with strong family values. I grew up in a heavily populated Italian american area and then moved to the most populated hispanic area here. Both groups of people we're exceptionally warm and open, although with Chicago Italians you have to be a bit 'gruff' to hang with them, as in talk like em.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Oh big time, the Chicago Mooks! Loveable sorts of people with really friendly women with strong family values. I grew up in a heavily populated Italian american area and then moved to the most populated hispanic area here. Both groups of people we're exceptionally warm and open, although with Chicago Italians you have to be a bit 'gruff' to hang with them, as in talk like em.

Italian people are generally great to hang around (though I've never lived in NYC or New Jersey), but that's not the point. The problems occur when you try to bang the women.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Speaking of Italians, my last and final lay in NYC was an Italian chick from Italy. It was the lay that I stole from another dude she was on a date with. Man, you catch Italian (or Italian American women) outside of their cliques, they are some of the easiest lay ups you will have in your life. The Italian chick was also the wildest lay of my trip and I ended up with some scratches as well from her. She was on a date with this David Spade lookalike, typical plain suburban type of dude you see in the northeast but you can tell she was bored. It was all arranged by the social circle she was a part of but I swept her up from the bar and met her later.

My problem is the exact opposite as you @BillyPilgrim where I find Italian women to be lay ups once they are outside of their circles. However, dealing with them and Italian people in general is irritating.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Speaking of Italians, my last and final lay in NYC was an Italian chick from Italy. It was the lay that I stole from another dude she was on a date with. Man, you catch Italian (or Italian American women) outside of their cliques, they are some of the easiest lay ups you will have in your life. The Italian chick was also the wildest lay of my trip and I ended up with some scratches as well from her. She was on a date with this David Spade lookalike, typical plain suburban type of dude you see in the northeast but you can tell she was bored. It was all arranged by the social circle she was a part of but I swept her up from the bar and met her later.

My problem is the exact opposite as you @BillyPilgrim where I find Italian women to be lay ups once they are outside of their circles. However, dealing with them and Italian people in general is irritating.

Lolz that's because she prob had pent-up sexuality from playing hard to get.

Another difference is that my experience with gaming their women is exclusively from online. A typical tactic is to show of their titties on tinder and scream "ltr only" with a checklist that exhausts the bio character limit. One time I sexted up an Italian woman from old and she invited me to her house just to program her phucking tv remote while she paraded around in lingerie. I was able to bang her, but only 6 months later when I was on a dry spell and gave it another shot.

I lived 20 years in San Diego where people tend to be standoffish, so being around them (I have extended family who are Ital-Am) was a refreshing change. I imagine if I lived on Staten Island I would hate their guts lol.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Lolz that's because she prob had pent-up sexuality from playing hard to get.

Another difference is that my experience with gaming their women is exclusively from online. A typical tactic is to show of their titties on tinder and scream "ltr only" with a checklist that exhausts the bio character limit. One time I sexted up an Italian woman from old and she invited me to her house just to program her phucking tv remote while she paraded around in lingerie. I was able to bang her, but only 6 months later when I was on a dry spell and gave it another shot.

I lived 20 years in San Diego where people tend to be standoffish, so being around them (I have extended family who are Ital-Am) was a refreshing change. I imagine if I lived on Staten Island I would hate their guts lol.

LMFAO, that ultimate tease bro. I have not encountered that from Italian women. TBH, as much as I dislike Italians, especially the ethnic looking ones, somehow I am a magnet for Italian women that look ethnic. I guess it is some weird universal law of karma because I have seen these women doll themselves the heck up to where other women and dudes around them will say they are hot or fancy. I just ignore them and am like "don't see the appeal" (don't say it but I do communicate it lol). Somehow, that ends in me eventually banging them.

As for your situation, I think Italian women kind of get the game or parts of it. They get the mystery of the allure and how the tougher it is to get something, the more the man values it. Perhaps that is the reason that some dudes out there have a thing for them and Middle Eastern and Indian women (as @logicallefty does), it is that allure of the unattainable. The tougher something becomes to get, the more we value it. Italian women get that part of game and that is why they act how they do.

However, I have already seen them at their worst and naturally refuse to pedestalize them because of how familiar I am with Italian culture. They pick up on that and my unattached style towards them and the next thing I know, they are chasing me.

I'll say this though, Italian women do take note. They are watching you from a distance to gage your value moreso than other kinds of women might. Once they see that other women are opening up to you and that you are the popular guy, they cannot keep their hands off of you.

The unfortunate part is that once you do get hooked to one, she wants to beat you down to being a submissive beta. Ironically, the guys I know who look down on her heavy social circle lifestyle and traditional ways often end up banging her. However, the ones who pedestalize her and her culture fail with her hard. Out of all the groups, Arab guys are the least desired by Italian women because of how badly they want to be mistaken for Italian and she picks up on that.

 

[Don of the north]

The government will undoubtedly crack down on what we do with game hard and with Cancel Culture and Feminazi TikTok culture on the rise, it will only get worse.

Any law they pass against this will be totally unconstitutional and should immediately be challenged right to the supreme court. The government has no right to tell consenting adults who they can talk to, ask on a date, or have relations with.

How could you make laws saying men can't hello and asking to go for a date in a public place? The only places that have enforced laws like this are hardcore dictatorships in the middle east. I'd honestly say if they passed laws against cold approach (a total violation of the 1st amendment), it's the beginning of the end and we are going to lose our freedoms completely in this country.

It seems some people have no respect for the constitution, want to end free speech, and want the government in people's bedrooms.
People are willing to sacrifice freedom for safety. If you sacrifice freedom for safety, you'll end up with neither eventually.
This is all signs of an impending collapse. I'm not being hyperbolic. Liberals used to be hardcore free speech advocates and wanted the government out of people's bedrooms. I'm no right winger myself. That part of the left has collapsed and has turned into this horrific ideology.

The scary thing is that this ideology has spread out from Hollywood and metastasized in to basically all of the western democracies. These countries don't have unique cultures anymore. They are all Americanized so there is nowhere to escape. They recently arrested a woman for silently praying outside on a public street near an abortion clinic in England. They've arrested people in Europe for "thought crimes". They've created this nonsene called "hate speech", which can be defined by the government as anything. It's insane. This stuff is coming over here if we are not careful. It's Orwellian.

Recently a NY politician introduced a law which failed to pass which would make it a crime to lie to a woman you are dating and trying to sleep with. She didn't think it through a realize this can also be weaponized against women, which is why it probably didn't pass. Total government control over people is what they are going for and they HATE men. Our general public need to be taught about our freedoms and constitution. The founding forefathers were geniuses. The status quo throughout history has NOT been freedom.

“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”

Ronald Reagan