Judging when to verbally escalate before first date

[MoreThanSmooth]

When you're on a date, you know the girl is at least interested enough to give you a date in the first place. So escalating physically and verbally is a no-brainer, you just read her signals and see what happens.

However, in the stages before you've even got the first date, when do you normally start being more sexually suggestive verbally? Stuff like innuendo or giving her physical compliments.

I find this is one of the most difficult territories. I'm usually too straight laced and "gentlemanly" and end up presenting myself as a goodie two shoes, which carries through to either the fast lane to Beta Orbiter status or a date that lacks sexual tension.

On the other hand if you go too far you're not going to even get the date, because you come across like a lech.

 

[Masculinity]

There's no hard rule. But the longer you keep it platonic, the faster your arrive at the friend zone.

 

[Murk]

Straight away, as soon as you start texting or talking keep it flirtatious and fun, then escalate from there. Yes you might creep them out but if done right you will most likely end up on an easy date with sexual tension from the off.

 

[Spaz]

I find this is one of the most difficult territories. I'm usually too straight laced and "gentlemanly" and end up presenting myself as a goodie two shoes, which carries through to either the fast lane to Beta Orbiter status or a date that lacks sexual tension.

On the other hand if you go too far you're not going to even get the date, because you come across like a lech.

The word "gentleman" = A man who has been gentle by a woman.

Being a s€xual man is perfectly fine and attractive to women.

You are asking for details on seduction techniques whilst not working on your frame.

Even if you learn it all you will not sustain in the long run. Women will smell the wvss sooner or later.

 

[MoreThanSmooth]

You are asking for details on seduction techniques whilst not working on your frame.

Even if you learn it all you will not sustain in the long run. Women will smell the wvss sooner or later.

Good advice but I debate this. I’m sure I don’t come across as a p*ssy of a man, I have my self confidence and attitude down now. If a woman spins me for games I walk.

I’m not some dweeby little hipster who beta orbits and holds seats for girls and cries when his mocha arrives too cold. They are the typical frame problems.

The one larger thing I lack in my frame is sexual confidence, and it translates to a lack of flirtation. And that’s just fixed with practice and sex.

So these answers are very useful and I think they’ll make a significant difference to my opening. Cheers.

 

[Spaz]

Good advice but I debate this. I’m sure I don’t come across as a p*ssy of a man, I have my self confidence and attitude down now. If a woman spins me for games I walk.

I’m not some dweeby little hipster who beta orbits and holds seats for girls and cries when his mocha arrives too cold. They are the typical frame problems.

The one larger thing I lack in my frame is sexual confidence, and it translates to a lack of flirtation. And that’s just fixed with practice and sex.

So these answers are very useful and I think they’ll make a significant difference to my opening. Cheers.

What you think doesn't matter.

The results says it all.

Obviously after disappointing results you go back to your methods, repeat rinse and yet still disappointing result. That's why you are here asking for details on how best to seduce a woman.

What needs work on is your frame/operating values/how you think. These will ensure those details that you pick up will flow naturally as it is a part of your psych.

 

[AbaGanov]

She should know you are interested in her in a sexual way right from the start. then she can either reject you - so you can move on to the next girl and save yourself the time and energy, or accept it and then it's game on.

just don't do it in a creepy and needy way though, the idea is to be playful and casual about it. it will get easier once you have an abundance mindset and you lose the fear of being rejected.