Ive asked this before. Joining the Army

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I dont know why but I keep gravitating toward the idea of joining the army and becoming a soilder.

there is something appealing about the whole occupation, and If I was to make it through bootcamp and come back from a stint in Iraq and fight just like all the other soilders. I would feel so proud about myself, that look I made it through and look I am doing so much for my country when most people just sit on their ass and complain.

I dont know, what to do, but this feeling inside me tells me to join up. But my rationale mind tells me its not the right thing to do, that you wont make alot of money and your family life will be messed up.
 

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family life wont be messed unless you have a hippy family...if i joined the military my black sheep (well grey sheep at least) family status would instantly disappear...god i would be a god at family dinners. but getting through bootcamp is a real biitch. definetly dont join the marines...ah the stories i've heard from guys coming back.
 

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Both my cousins are in the Army. One is in Iraq now and the other one was there for nine months. The one there now says two people are dead from his platoon already, one by mortar and one by sniper. The older cousin wants out of the Army, but tough luck, they are sending him back to Iraq again. That's why they make you sign a long contract. If the military was such a great deal, they would not have to spend billions in advertising. If you must be in the military, Air Force people have a much easier and lower-risk life.

War is a racket. It makes rich people richer. It always has.

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/war_is_a_racket_033103.htm

But all it accomplishes is death and destruction. Know what you are getting yourself into:

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/wounded/gallery.htm
 

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ssj245, if you want to go to Iraq to help out and you want good pay maybe you should join of of those contractor jobs that provide security for American forces. I heard that some make 100k + a year for security in afghanistan/iraq although I never looked it up. Don't forget that jobs like this are extremely dangerous and are only for real badasses that fear nothing. Iraq is the real life wild wild west.

here is a youtube video of Blackwater defense contractors, they successfully defeated a terrorist ambush (good stuff, quality action)

Blackwater sniper taking down terrorists video
 
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Go get yourself killed.


That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing except the whole occupation makes the rich people richer. Ever heard of the contractors rebuilding Iraq? Yeah, you are fighting for theur right to extent their monopoly to another place. You are not fighting for your country. There is no glory, nothing to be proud of.

Afghanistan was fighting for your country. Iraq is for making money.

Oh and BTW, lets not mention the Oil Companies, Manufacturers of Various weapon systems, pharmaceutical companies... etc.
 

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brucevangeorge said:
That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing except the whole occupation makes the rich people richer. Ever heard of the contractors rebuilding Iraq? Yeah, you are fighting for theur right to extent their monopoly to another place. You are not fighting for your country. There is no glory, nothing to be proud of.
The contractors are making a lot of money but you can't deny the positive impact. Schools have been built, tap water is available in places it wasn't available before, streets are being cleaned up, electricity is getting back up, army bases and barracks are being built for the local army etc etc. But remember the logistics of it all which increases the money needed for all this plus the security problems. This is why rebuilding Iraq is a slow process that will take a long time and is expensive. You can't expect a contractor to go to the wild wild west to help the rebuilding process and do it cheap. They are going to charge the premium.

You have to be objective about it. While I agree that they are making an insane amount of money you can't deny the good they do, but the stories of construction going on in Iraq are never mentioned in the media. We don't read about the positives only the negatives.
 

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Brian20o2 said:
That may be true Joe but I dont think that the 'good' we have provided is worth all the dead soldiers and civilians lives.
Look im not a pro war guy but im not 'anti-war, America does everything bad' hippi either. I myself think that the reasons for the war are occult (illuminati new world order theories). While I believe the conspiracies I support the troops and contractors because those guys and gals are risking their lives trying to rebuild the country, whether the reasons for going there were right or not but right now they are over there in Iraq trying to do a positive thing. Those guys and gals are young mostly, could be the son or daughter of your neighbor, they are my age and your age, many if not most of them don't come from high income families. Whether the reasons for going to war were right doesn't matter, the troops and people there trying to rebuild iraq are doing something positive and deserve a little respect.

I mentioned contractors because the original poster is thinking about joining the army but says he wont make a lot of money. I read that a truck driver for kbr makes 100k starting a year if not mistaken while a soldier only makes 15k-25k (i havent comfirmed the figures). This is obviously wrong but then again nobody forces you to join any of them. Contractors are also less protected and in more danger.
 

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Thanks for clearing that up. I also respect our soldiers and support them. What I dont respect is a gov that gives bogus reasons to go into a country that we have no need to invade. Im glad that we are tryign to clean up Iraq, everybody has needs. But remember that we blew up all their stuff.

Yes Sadam did bad things, But WE put him in power in the 80s.

If the government is gonna do somthing they shoudl at least be honest. I just hope we have some smart effective leaders getting ready for the next presidential election.
 

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To enlist now is to go to Iraq.
Would you really become cannon fodder for the war machine simply to reinforce your sense of masculinity? To risk death and grevious injury for a cause that is dubious at best?

Courage is admirable when it is in the service of a clearly defined cause.
 
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Brian20o2 said:
I just hope we have some smart effective leaders getting ready for the next presidential election.

LOL!! :crackup: :crackup:

You hope too much.

But still...
 

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Wow

Wow those videos are kick a$$. imagine the satisfaction you get from blowing a hole through those fu&kheads. All my anger would be released. Lol

Yeah your right, there is no sense of fighting this war about courage and honor, this is a wrong war, but I was thinking about it, from the perspect of it helping me more.

Plus I get to fire guns and kill fuc&ks.
 
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ssj245 said:
imagine the satisfaction you get from blowing a hole through those fu&kheads.

Plus I get to fire guns and kill fuc&ks.
Yeah THOSE ****S. They keep invading countries for oil and monetary gain, spread their agenda throughout the planet. Those ****s think they can do anything wherever they want. Damn terrorists. Terrorizing the civilians, shooting innocent people and humiliating hostages and taking pictures of them... shafting the UN whenever they see fit.

Yup. I hope you get all of them.

Get revenge for the land of the free. Spread freedom throughout the world by occupiyng it and selling it to the highest bidder.
 

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I met a guy who just came from Iraq and was going back soon, he was on holiday in Prague. You have to be a dumb motherfugger to want to go to Iraq after the stories he told. It's shiat.
 

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Joe The Homophobe said:
ssj245, if you want to go to Iraq to help out and you want good pay maybe you should join of of those contractor jobs that provide security for American forces. I heard that some make 100k + a year for security in afghanistan/iraq although I never looked it up. Don't forget that jobs like this are extremely dangerous and are only for real badasses that fear nothing. Iraq is the real life wild wild west.

here is a youtube video of Blackwater defense contractors, they successfully defeated a terrorist ambush (good stuff, quality action)

Blackwater sniper taking down terrorists video
The contract soldiers are paid damn well, yes easily 100k for a year but few stay there that long. The only problem is that you need prior combat experience.
 
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There are both good things and bad things about the whole Iraq thing. Bottom line is, Saddam is gone, good riddance. And we can thank the USA for that, for better or for worse.

Now...if you feel the army is your calling, go for it man. Do not be ashamed for fighting for your country....EVER!.

Many, many men have died so that we can have the freedom we have. The freedom to a secure economy, the freedom to be a DJ without some moral police coming after us, the freedom to question authority. It is soooo important.

But, if you have an OUNCE of doubt in your mind, which you seem to, by all means stay away. It can turn into a very nasty and negative experience if you are not 110% into it.

goodspeed.
 
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TurboOverCubicInches said:
There are both good things and bad things about the whole Iraq thing. Bottom line is, Saddam is gone, good riddance. And we can thank the USA for that, for better or for worse.

Now...if you feel the army is your calling, go for it man. Do not be ashamed for fighting for your country....EVER!.

Many, many men have died so that we can have the freedom we have. The freedom to a secure economy, the freedom to be a DJ without some moral police coming after us, the freedom to question authority. It is soooo important.

But, if you have an OUNCE of doubt in your mind, which you seem to, by all means stay away. It can turn into a very nasty and negative experience if you are not 110% into it.

goodspeed.
But the issue is that he is not fighting for his country. Its a little more complicated than that. If he really wanted to fight for his country he would have joined in the war in Afghanistan. The fight is now for money, not a noble cause as earlier. And you can thank those corrupt fatcats in Washington for making things this way.

Goddamn politicians.

I agree that Saddam is gone. But you realize that the US put him in power and when he decided to tun things his own way, they wanted him out and they realize they could use him as a scapegoat. (Imaginary WMDs anyone?)
 

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Come to New Zealand and join the Grand Imperial New Zealand army! They've recently upgraded infantry troops to the new Mark IV crossbows! These babies can put a dent in leather armour! Cool huh?
 

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brucevangeorge said:
I agree that Saddam is gone. But you realize that the US put him in power and when he decided to tun things his own way, they wanted him out and they realize they could use him as a scapegoat. (Imaginary WMDs anyone?)
sorry to break it to you buddy but I don't think there is a war that has been fought for a good cause. Even world war 2 and the American intervention. Guess who was caught funding nazi germany? wall street. American big cats funded the enemy. Not only that but pearl harbor was a fraud it was allowed to happen in order for America to go to war. Ill post a link to an online book exposing all this when I find it.

Here is a good article by Henry Makow
The majority of Americans were against intervention. But a covert British propaganda and "dirty tricks" campaign, employing almost 1000 people in NYC (mostly Brits and Canadians), had hijacked democracy. It illustrates how London-based central bankers control the American people to this day.

The Republican Party was against intervention. Thanks to the British, the Republican Presidential nomination June 28, 1940 went to an unknown pro-intervention pro-conscription "internationalist" Wendell Wilkie, a lifetime Democrat who had never held public office.

On the eve of the costliest war in US history, (one million dead or maimed, $2 trillion in 1990 dollars), Americans were not given a choice. There wasn't an anti-war candidate. Does this remind you of 2004?

More than propaganda was involved. The organizer of the Republican convention, Ralph Williams, an "isolationist" (doublespeak for nationalist) conveniently died May 16 and was replaced by a lifelong British agent Sam Pryor who packed the convention with Wilkie delegations and supporters shouting, "We want Wilkie."

In the 1930's the American people learned how the bankers had manoeuvred the US into World War One for great profit. Congress passed a battery of legislation to prevent this from happening again. British PM Neville Chamberlain called the US Congress "pig headed and self righteous nobodies."

Thus the Illuminati had to change public opinion before FDR could commit the US to war. Their main weapon was the mass media, literally owned by the central bankers or controlled by advertising from their cartels.

In 1940, publications owned by the central bankers and their front men included The New York Herald Tribune, The New York Times, PM, The Chicago Sun, The Cowles Group (Look), Time Life, The Washington Post and the Baltimore Sun. All were decidedly for intervention. Hollywood also produced war propaganda. Alexander Korda, director of "Lady Hamiliton" and "The Lion has Wings" was a British agent.

Journalists achieved success as spokesmen for British Intelligence. They included Walter Winchell, Drew Pearson, Dorothy Thompson, Walter Lippmann, James Reston and Hubert Bayard Swope.

Public opinion polls were rigged or edited to give Americans the impression they favored intervention. For example, a British agent David Ogilvy put out the Gallup polls.

Nationalist politicians like Hamilton Fish, Martin Dies and Burton Wheeler were smeared as pro-Nazi and anti Semitic. They were hounded with false charges and eventually defeated. One, Senator Arthur Vandenburg changed his mind with the help of beautiful socialites working for British Intelligence.

The British manufactured German atrocity photos and a phoney map purporting to be a Nazi plan to divide South America. This map helped FDR overturn the last remaining neutrality legislation. Phoney horoscopes forecasted ruin for Hitler and American "isolationists."

Like the Communists, the British formed numerous groups that masqueraded as grass roots organizations. They included "Friends of Democracy," "The League for Human Rights," the "Fight for Freedom Committee."

After the war, the Rockefeller's Council on Foreign Relations ensured that official histories of American intervention were written. They did not want a repeat of the embarrassing revelations of how the US was tricked into World War One.
 
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