Is the male wall the same age as the female wall?

[oliver109]

A lot of people say that men don't hit the wall until their mid 40s or even older but i would disagree for the majority of men the wall is the same as the female wall i.e between the ages of 32 and 38 and most mens appeal lowers during that age, it is no surprise that it is the age when all the best athletes, sports stars retire and the body loses it's vitality.

 

[pipeman84]

From a biological POV a 45yrs old man has no problem in getting a woman pregnant, a 45yrs old woman though is quite unlikely she'll get pregnant.
From a male-female dynamic POV, men look for youth, purity, innocence, fertility, females look for leadership strength, wisdom, experience, financial resources.
So in light of the above which are indisputable facts, it makes absolutely no sense that males and females would both reach the wall at the same age.

 

[oliver109]

From a biological POV a 45yrs old man has no problem in getting a woman pregnant, a 45yrs old woman though is quite unlikely she'll get pregnant.
From a male-female dynamic POV, men look for youth, purity, innocence, fertility, females look for leadership strength, wisdom, experience, financial resources.
So in light of the above which are indisputable facts, it makes absolutely no sense that males and females would both reach the wall at the same age.

A 45 year old man is going to find it harder to get a woman pregnant than a 35 year old man, i mean most women under 30 are not attracted to 98% of 45 year old men.

 

[HaleyBaron]

A 45 year old man is going to find it harder to get a woman pregnant than a 35 year old man, i mean most women under 30 are not attracted to 98% of 45 year old men.

This is not the point being made. A 90 old man can still make a child. We're not talking the chances of him hooking up with a woman. We're talking pregnancy through sex.

 

[pipeman84]

A 45 year old man is going to find it harder to get a woman pregnant than a 35 year old man, i mean most women under 30 are not attracted to 98% of 45 year old men.

A reasonably fit 45yrs old, or 65yrs old for that matter will have no problem impregnating a 30yrs old. It doesn't work in reverse. So biology says age is not the same for men and women.
Re attraction, there's attraction at a deep primary level and there's society expectations and the available choices for most females...normally an under 30s female doesn't have the choice between an available 30yrs old man and a 45yrs one. She usually has to choose from a group of guys her age +- a few years.

 

[2Rocky]

"The Wall" is referring to SMV. Not Physical Ability, Reproductive ability or Cognitive ability.

SMV is a combination of Looks, Money, Status. In Men, despite their looks potentially decreasing from age after 30, their Money and Status increase more than their looks decrease. Hence the Sweet Spot from 30-40 or even 30-50 if the man is active and in shape.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Tom Brady was still winning super bowls in his 40s if Im not mistaken.

Feminazi: "But you are not Tom Brady!!!!!"

I dont need to be Tom Brady. I dont want to pull you or anyone like you. Im already good, thanks, have a nice life.

 

[oliver109]

"The Wall" is referring to SMV. Not Physical Ability, Reproductive ability or Cognitive ability.

SMV is a combination of Looks, Money, Status. In Men, despite their looks potentially decreasing from age after 30, their Money and Status increase more than their looks decrease. Hence the Sweet Spot from 30-40 or even 30-50 if the man is active and in shape.

While most men will have more money the older they get few will have the levels of money and status to pull the most attractive young women which is what matters, like i said 98% are basically invisible.

 

[Stanley]

Men have no wall

 

[2Rocky]

While most men will have more money the older they get few will have the levels of money and status to pull the most attractive young women which is what matters, like i said 98% are basically invisible.

can't help someone hell bent on failing....I'm sure there is a blackpill forum better suited to you ...

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I've noticed that most guys that peaked earlier in life with women through looks/bad boyism have gone to shvt in their mid to late twenties just like the young hot girls that relied on off their boobs and age alone. Now to bring up the elephant in the room. As a man, you want to peak in your 30s rather than 40s because of your available options of women. A 40-year-old man dating a young girl is basically a sugar daddy relationship while a 30-year-old guy isn't seen as bad.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

IMO, I put the male wall in terms of options down to the age of 35. I think men peak at 35 and it is all downhill from there in most cases outside of bizarre exceptions. Men in their early to mid-thirties are still able to go out, game, up their notch count, and have it be acceptable in most cases for society. I have seen guys in their early 30s in big cities who party at younger bars, pull, and live the player life.

However, after the age of 35, men have to rely on settling down and taking it slow. Men have to rely on LTRs a lot more and cannot sleep around as loosely as they used to. In some ways, they have to show that maturity to society and getting a higher lay count becomes tough.

 

[pipeman84]

A lot of guys in their mid 20s look like boys and aren't mature enough nor do they have enough life experience to act as leaders in a relationship. Now given the choice between a 25yrs old and a 40yrs old guy, most 25yrs old girls that are feminine and relationship oriented would choose the 40yrs old guy.
I think the reason we don't see more often couples with this kind of age gap is because women are just as confused and have lost touch with their inner core just like men have (women have become more masculine, men more feminine).

 

[Stanley]

A lot of guys in their mid 20s look like boys and aren't mature enough nor do they have enough life experience to act as leaders in a relationship. Now given the choice between a 25yrs old and a 40yrs old guy, most 25yrs old girls that are feminine and relationship oriented would choose the 40yrs old guy.
I think the reason we don't see more often couples with this kind of age gap is because women are just as confused and have lost touch with their inner core just like men have (women have become more masculine, men more feminine).

I think 40 is a stretch.

Most girls my age (mid 20s) tend to look for guys a few years older or in their early 30s. That doesn't mean an attractive 40 something can't pull hot young women, but it isn't common place. Post 25 most girls start to 'calm down' and look towards older men for security, maturity, money etc... but I don't know anyone around my age that is dating 40 year olds, I do know a couple gold diggers who are sleeping with them though. At 25 I currently attract girls that are in their late teens early twenties, this due in part because I look young, but not so young I look like a boy. On the flipside women much older then me are equally interested in casual encounters. Girls in my bracket 25-30 would basically only want to hook up with me and not pursue a relationship, why should they? There's a guy a few years my senior more established then me who has better long term potential, i.e Beta Bux. I think 40 is pushing it though, but with the right circumstance, time and place it can happen.

 

[pipeman84]

@Stanley
Keep in mind, I specifically said feminine and relationship oriented girls and they are the minority...not the party girl type or those that just 'hook up' ie hoes who are the majority. That's half of the problem. The other half are the men themselves who by the time they are 40, even if their LMS is OK, they've already settled in some mediocre relationship because of pressure from society and because they believe that they've hit the wall, when in reality they've hit their prime.

 

[Gamisch]

Most men nowadays act and walk like the fourth guy on this picture untill they reach 30/ 35(head down). A shame really. Physically a man tries to stay like the 5th guy . We have Christiano Ronaldo and Tom Brady as great examples. They are still the 5th guy even though they reach 40. Great rolemodels. If there was EVER a moment to become a fitness addict is when you reach 35+!!! You'll benefit greatly from it for years to come.

You can be the 6th guy if you have other (highly) attractive aspects such as
Confidence, money, experience, boldness ect. But most men will be the 6th with their head down.

Interestingly we see there is yet another "male wall"; The 30 y.o virging. If a man is unable to find a woman before reaching 30 he'll probably never get one. It's still exceptional ,but I was baffled when I learned that for example that weath waffle guy's audience is 44% of men who NEVER had a woman. Same could be said for men who dont know what a LTR is like, or have extreme dryspells before reaching 30. There's a moment when the window will close and you wont be able to make up lost moments