is it really that hard for the average guy?

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man im surrounded by women at work, and most of them are so unnecessarily rude and unfriendly, holy christ, i really feel like slime today

im just a regular guy, i work out and do martial arts, so im definitely not obese or look like quazimodo, i can understand not being someone who really stands out or looks particularly great, but wow i cant believe how hard it is just to say hi to some of these females, its crazy

is it like this for most regular guys as well?
 

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In 2013 all women including the uglies and fuglies feel they DESERVE brad pitt looks and Bill Gates money in their men...

society and media has promoted this idea to women and women have run with this delusion whole hog
 

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If I approach 100 women 90 of them aren't going to be interested in me. Way it goes.
 

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Burroughs said:

In 2013 all women including the uglies and fuglies feel they DESERVE brad pitt looks and Bill Gates money in their men...

society and media has promoted this idea to women and women have run with this delusion whole hog

THIS.
 

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Despite what this forum preaches sometimes, no its not that hard. Having decent social skill will get you what you want. The negative people here just try to bring people to their level so they don't have to leave the forum to actually go find females.

So no, it isn't that hard. Take what you learn here, apply, get what you want.
 

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Mostly, it depends upon what you will settle for. if you want an honest to god lovely, decent young lady, god help you with US women. If you will spend 5-10k, a few months of spare time study on a Filipina import, tho, it's easy.
 

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Average guys are considered ugly to most women. That is the sad reality today.

Only two (or three tops) men in your work building will get significant attention from females. The rest of the guys will be treated coldly and rudely by women because women consider it an insult for an average (ie ugly to her) guy to be in her presence.
 

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bs, let that average guy be able to write songs, sing well, and play a guitar, or have a decent motorcycle, be buff and honest to god good in a fight, a good friend and worker, and he'll have plenty of women.

now, whether or not any of those women are waf, that's another issue.
 

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I just want to let it be known that I wasn't agreeing with negativity, but more agreeing with the truth. Seems like every year that goes by, mediocre looking American chicks seem to demand more, even though are getting fatter and sloppier every year. We can thank a culture of over hungry, desperate dudes for this. They put up with dating slobs, and drive the market value of the true hotties even higher. Plenty of success can still be had if you put in the work, it's just gotten a little more obnoxious as they years have gone by thanks to the present social situation in this country.
 

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Well...

When you consider that the average man has six with 6-7 women IN HIS WHOLE LIFE, then yes, I should say so.

But very few men approach this issue with any kind of logic or system.
 

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Women don't view things in terms of leagues... for THEM. They ALL want, and feel entitled to the best - and pretty much ignore most of the rest.

When I was at the top of my physique + natural looks + materialism + status + social ability, some 6 years ago - everyone from 3s and 9s were interested, and approached, complimented, etc. There was no hesitation or lack of confidence. They may have been nervous, shy, or whatever, but they still made the approach. The ages varied, as well.

Some of the more nasty *****es would say all these other guys were ugly - when they were decently attractive, had solid GF's, etc. They themselves were not attractive, but talked mass **** about other guys... constantly. All based on looks, and if they were "hot". They would also make brief mentions of how hot they were, brag about the guys they banged, etc. They seriously thought they were something special.... even the fat, tattooed, clown-looking beasts.

To most girls, either you're hot / sexy / gorgeous, or don't exist, get rejected, and made fun of. They do judge guys based on their looks often. They'll look at them (and back at their girl friends) and laugh, or say that guy is creepy, roll their eyes when flirted with by someone they don't like, etc. I seen a lot of this happen as I was mingling with them. They will literally say this guy is a loser, that guy is ugly, this guy is creepy; they don't like that guy; this guy is whatever; etc - while flirting with and enjoying my company; talking sexual; etc.

It is pretty unfair, but most *****es are all or nothing... there's rarely any inbetween. They either find you attractive, and have the hots for you, and therefore enjoy being around you, and make things very easy for you - or they don't find you attractive, and hate your guts. And this changes, too. You're so awesome and funny and sexy - then they lose interest, and want you to die. Just like that.

For the most part, they just avoid everyone they're not interested in (based on physical attraction, of course), and flock to the ones they are. Conversating constantly, all smiles, touching, teasing / joking, etc. It's almost unreal.

****, I had a very high percentage rate back then... very high... the select few who weren't interested, or lost interest once the infatuation wore off, or they found out I was a chump, or whatever... pretty much treated me like ****. I was literally a nobody to them - simply because I wasn't physically attractive in their eyes. I got the insults, criticisms, sarcastic "you wish; no chance" laughs, no looks, "just friends" reminders (even though I didn't give a ****)... the whole nine. The girls who WERE interested were the exact opposite. They wanna get married and have babies, and all this bull****.

Even on FB... all the girls post about is hot / gorgeous guys, linking to male models, etc. Even though some of the girls are not attractive.

I gained some weight over the years, and the same girls who were checking me out, flirting, wanting sex, etc back then would say I'm funny looking, criticise my looks in other ways, and all these things. Just like before I got into shape, and was a nobody to women. The same ones who would later act like they were nice to me in the past (ie, school) once I started getting pimped out.

*****es are shallow.
 

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floydb25 said:
Women don't view things in terms of leagues... for THEM. They ALL want, and feel entitled to the best - and pretty much ignore most of the rest.

When I was at the top of my physique + natural looks + materialism + status + social ability, some 6 years ago - everyone from 3s and 9s were interested, and approached, complimented, etc. There was no hesitation or lack of confidence. They may have been nervous, shy, or whatever, but they still made the approach. The ages varied, as well.

Some of the more nasty *****es would say all these other guys were ugly - when they were decently attractive, had solid GF's, etc. They themselves were not attractive, but talked mass **** about other guys... constantly. All based on looks, and if they were "hot". They would also make brief mentions of how hot they were, brag about the guys they banged, etc. They seriously thought they were something special.... even the fat, tattooed, clown-looking beasts.

To most girls, either you're hot / sexy / gorgeous, or don't exist, get rejected, and made fun of. They do judge guys based on their looks often. They'll look at them (and back at their girl friends) and laugh, or say that guy is creepy, roll their eyes when flirted with by someone they don't like, etc. I seen a lot of this happen as I was mingling with them. They will literally say this guy is a loser, that guy is ugly, this guy is creepy; they don't like that guy; this guy is whatever; etc - while flirting with and enjoying my company; talking sexual; etc.

It is pretty unfair, but most *****es are all or nothing... there's rarely any inbetween. They either find you attractive, and have the hots for you, and therefore enjoy being around you, and make things very easy for you - or they don't find you attractive, and hate your guts. And this changes, too. You're so awesome and funny and sexy - then they lose interest, and want you to die. Just like that.

For the most part, they just avoid everyone they're not interested in (based on physical attraction, of course), and flock to the ones they are. Conversating constantly, all smiles, touching, teasing / joking, etc. It's almost unreal.

****, I had a very high percentage rate back then... very high... the select few who weren't interested, or lost interest once the infatuation wore off, or they found out I was a chump, or whatever... pretty much treated me like ****. I was literally a nobody to them - simply because I wasn't physically attractive in their eyes. I got the insults, criticisms, sarcastic "you wish; no chance" laughs, no looks, "just friends" reminders (even though I didn't give a ****)... the whole nine. The girls who WERE interested were the exact opposite. They wanna get married and have babies, and all this bull****.

Even on FB... all the girls post about is hot / gorgeous guys, linking to male models, etc. Even though some of the girls are not attractive.

I gained some weight over the years, and the same girls who were checking me out, flirting, wanting sex, etc back then would say I'm funny looking, criticise my looks in other ways, and all these things. Just like before I got into shape, and was a nobody to women. The same ones who would later act like they were nice to me in the past (ie, school) once I started getting pimped out.

*****es are shallow.
Do you think men also do what you've described ? :rolleyes:

At least I think those who reject you right at the beginning are being honest.

Trying to get along with someone you are not attracted in any way seems to me as deceiving both yourself and the other person.

I myself was the one who tried to treat everyone the same in other words being fake most of the time.

The moment I decide to be honest with me and others, I find the freedom that I was always looking for.

Of course being completely honest will make you lose many opportunities in life. However, those relationships based on you being fake are also themselves futile.
 

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foreverAFC said:
man im surrounded by women at work, and most of them are so unnecessarily rude and unfriendly, holy christ, i really feel like slime today

im just a regular guy, i work out and do martial arts, so im definitely not obese or look like quazimodo, i can understand not being someone who really stands out or looks particularly great, but wow i cant believe how hard it is just to say hi to some of these females, its crazy

is it like this for most regular guys as well?
How do you dress?
 

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I have to disagree. I talk plenty of cute/ hot women at work. Often times they will just talk to me. I am by no means a 10, I'm just a 6 that smiles says hi and talks about nothing. I don't try to make any moves or anything so take that for what it's worth.
 

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Im good looking and I still get treated like shvt from women. Most of them flirt with me to try to get their egos boost. Girls minds are constantly changing because of how spoiled and self entitled they are. Ive had girls obsessed over me one day than they suddenly hate me the next. I really wish I could find a girl in Europe or something
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

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whatwg said:
How do you dress?
just shirts and jeans, nothing too different than what other people wear, but i think my location may be part of the problem, i live in silicon valley and most people in general around here dont seem too friendly
 

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Mike32ct said:
Average guys are considered ugly to most women. That is the sad reality today.

Only two (or three tops) men in your work building will get significant attention from females. The rest of the guys will be treated coldly and rudely by women because women consider it an insult for an average (ie ugly to her) guy to be in her presence.
This and Burroughs are spot on.

This day and age, and the media isn't helping men out at all. If you're average, you're either a beta male or omega male.
 

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You shouldn't be concerned about women at work. Women will treat guys like crap who they feel are beneath them, even if the woman happens to be not very good looking.
 

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May_Day said:
You shouldn't be concerned about women at work.

Agreed. The only point I want guys to take from the work example is that shallowness is NOT limited to bar and club women. Your female coworkers can be just as cruel/shallow as a bar/club AW.


Women will treat guys like crap who they feel are beneath them, even if the woman happens to be not very good looking.
True.
 

Create self-fulfilling prophecies. Always assume the positive. Assume she likes you. Assume she wants to talk to you. Assume she wants to go out with you. When you think positive, positive things happen.

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