IOI's mean NADA

[Bumsniff]

So you've gotten a few "IOI's". Do they mean anything? Hardly. IOI's are not much more than girls flirting.

IOI's can also be given by women to hook you into liking them while they're secretly pining for some other guy and actually using you as a temporary ego boost and or to keep her "secure" in the meantime till the guy she REALLY wants claims her.

IOI's mean pretty much nothing these days. Think about it..

If you get them don't hesitate and find out what she's all about though she may not let on to the game she's playing anyway.

Meet as many girls as you can and play the same games back with them. If you start getting mixed signals from girls who give you "IOI's" you might as well drop them as they don't necessarily really want YOU.

 

[BeDJ]

I disagree.

Most IOI's are subconscious, that's like me faking my boner. She is welcoming the interaction by giving off some initial interest. It's up to you to elevate her interest level.

Of course women are always looking for the better deal.

 

[msi]

I've been wondering about this.

They say most communication is nonverbal, ie body language. I would put IOIs in with body language.

I bring this up because for people (mostly men) looking to improve their love life will start looking things up on the Internet and one of the major elements any website similar to this will emphasize is how to improve your body language. Things like being conscious of how you sit and move to avoid looking timid or shy or even disinterested and instead how to use your body language to your advantage.

Learning about body language makes you (or at least me) extremely aware of my own body language, and I also always think about other people's body language as well, not necessarily analyzing it, but taking it into consideration -- and this doesn't apply to only women.

My point is, is that 'they' say body language (and things like IOIs) are subconscious actions, but we also all know these actions can still be controlled.

So if you're talking to a lady, and you're aware of your own body language and the vibes you are giving off, why wouldn't she be doing exactly the same thing? A lot of it probably depends on the setting, but it's food for thought. I know sometimes I'll make it a point to keep my body language indifferent, or sometimes more flirty. Women seem to be more socially calibrated, so I have a hard time believing they aren't doing some of these things consciously.

All in all, I feel like the only things that matter in speaking/dealing with women are eye contact and if she actually goes out with you and lets you escalate. **** IOIs and reading body language, the only thing that means 'no' to me is 'no' and the only thing that means 'yes' is 'yes'.

 

[Bumsniff]

I've been wondering about this.

They say most communication is nonverbal, ie body language. I would put IOIs in with body language.

I bring this up because for people (mostly men) looking to improve their love life will start looking things up on the Internet and one of the major elements any website similar to this will emphasize is how to improve your body language. Things like being conscious of how you sit and move to avoid looking timid or shy or even disinterested and instead how to use your body language to your advantage.

Learning about body language makes you (or at least me) extremely aware of my own body language, and I also always think about other people's body language as well, not necessarily analyzing it, but taking it into consideration -- and this doesn't apply to only women.

My point is, is that 'they' say body language (and things like IOIs) are subconscious actions, but we also all know these actions can still be controlled.

So if you're talking to a lady, and you're aware of your own body language and the vibes you are giving off, why wouldn't she be doing exactly the same thing? A lot of it probably depends on the setting, but it's food for thought. I know sometimes I'll make it a point to keep my body language indifferent, or sometimes more flirty. Women seem to be more socially calibrated, so I have a hard time believing they aren't doing some of these things consciously.

All in all, I feel like the only things that matter in speaking/dealing with women are eye contact and if she actually goes out with you and lets you escalate. **** IOIs and reading body language, the only thing that means 'no' to me is 'no' and the only thing that means 'yes' is 'yes'.

I agree. I think women know what they are doing and sometimes give off false "IOIs" to get guys to think they are into them in order to boost their own egos while not really wanting to take it past anything but "flirting". They then justify in their minds that they aren't playing games when they run to the guy they really want while stringing along others in the meantime.

They'll give off false positives but when it comes down to it start giving mixed signals to play games. IE: All "IOI's" are there, you get her number but then she avoids your calls or doesn't respond to texts/ gives short closed replies.

I'm not buying IOIs I know girls who are obvious flirts just for the sake of flirting. They'll do it to you and five other guys you know but will be talking to their friends about and going out of their way to meet the guy they really want.

Guys need to open their eyes to that kind of game. Go for the number and try to set up something. Otherwise if you sense something is off or they start giving mixed signals. You can almost bet she was just sending false IOIs for her own sake and you were just a pawn till she got her own agenda accomplished.

Don't take IOIs as "interest". Take a YES and an actual meet and escalation as one.

 

[thevilittletroll]

i do believe that there are some ioi's out there that can be false. for example when you are talking to a girl and she strokes her hair. some girls just do that constatnly. it can be an ioi but not always. the only way you can test for ioi's is to escalate physically. if she will not allow you to grab her hand, any ioi's that you thought she gave you were false. hand touching is on the first layer of the escalation ladder. if she allows you to touch her hair or her face, she's ready to make out with.

 

[Naughty Ninja]

The only IOI that I'd consider 100% positive is if SHE is touching you or helping "fix" your shirt etc. Then that's pretty much a green light.

I had a chick who used to be my customer and I probably should've made a move on her but didn't for my own reasons. Chick I knew from my part time was there and was trying on heels (I'd kindof known her from helping her a few times previously at that point, gave me her hand to hold to "steady" her while she got them on.) I had a girlfriend at the time and think she still had a boyfriend as well as was much younger than me but that I think was a good IOI disguised as just needing my help but having me hold her steady...Never had a customer do that in all the time I've been there.

Though I have had a few co-worker chicks "adjust" my tie or touch my arm. That is the only IOI I'd go with as some pretty solid interest.

 

[VladPatton]

IOI's exist, of course, because we notice them. Especially with a little bit of training. The truth behind these IOI's is the problem. They will flirt, eye contact you to high heaven, giggle like a lil schoolgirl, and offer you their number all without intent to go out with you. Why? Just because. No reason. That's just what some do. They chalk it up to a 'fun night' and that's that. Screw the number thing, they will just ignore your a$$ or assign you a silent ringer!

This shyt's like a bunch of shiny cans on a supermarket shelf with no labels. Some have shyt inside, some have peaches. How do you know? Well, you try. And when you get one full of shyt, you chuck it and go for another.

Just like the previous few guys said, the real deal McCoy is them going out with you, escalation, and her just generally making it easy for you. In essence, that true awesome vibe that happens.

Otherwise, press the button so the trap door labeled 'NEXT!' opens from under her feet.

 

[Naughty Ninja]

IOI's exist, of course, because we notice them. Especially with a little bit of training. The truth behind these IOI's is the problem. They will flirt, eye contact you to high heaven, giggle like a lil schoolgirl, and offer you their number all without intent to go out with you. Why? Just because. No reason. That's just what some do. They chalk it up to a 'fun night' and that's that. Screw the number thing, they will just ignore your a$$ or assign you a silent ringer!

This shyt's like a bunch of shiny cans on a supermarket shelf with no labels. Some have shyt inside, some have peaches. How do you know? Well, you try. And when you get one full of shyt, you chuck it and go for another.

Just like the previous few guys said, the real deal McCoy is them going out with you, escalation, and her just generally making it easy for you. In essence, that true awesome vibe that happens.

Otherwise, press the button so the trap door labeled 'NEXT!' opens from under her feet.

Yep. Many will throw out all the right "positive" signals....only to serve themselves. IE: Oh he likes me! I hope he doesn't think I really like him though..(But of course not to be playing a game with no real intentions of taking it further. Chicks NEVER do that! LMAO) You just have to sit back and be aware. Game recognizes game. It may sting at times especially if you are into the chick and are trying to be normal. But once you weed out the nonsense you can use their fliritness to your advantage in front of other chicks.

You simply cannot feel sorry for any of these unaccountable chicks. They deserve whatever they get in life. Water always finds its own level.

 

[JohnChops]

Yesss, touch is the only IOI I trust other than that judge her actions. To be honest I never even look for IOIs, you can tell from the first 2 minutes if she is interested just by the way to convo goes and how she reacts to that your saying. Its easier than looking for IOIs and less stressfull and a little less stress is better for all.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I don't think IOI's are generally fake. A woman could be attracted to you but not want to take it to a physical level for various reasons. Obviously women do not fvck every guy they are attracted to, and are attracted to more guys than they will ever have sex with.

In a sense, the IOI's are fake because she probably knows she's sending them to you and probably knows she isn't going to take it to a physical level. But I don't think that's the same thing as saying she is faking the IOI's all together. I guess the distinction doesn't really matter lol. But no one ever said IOI were a guarantee of escalation. Nothing is a guarantee with women.

I don't know I can usually tell if a woman is really interested or not by observing IOI/IOD.