Interesting experience...

[Desdinova]

There's a woman that I had a brief sexual encounter with. I never got emotionally involved - I knew better. She did. Just before I forced her to take a break from 'us', she admitted she was falling in love with me.

She has a boyfriend who has beaten her up a couple of times. She decided to leave him and I was there re-enforcing that it was a positive decision. I never TOLD her to do it, I let her make all the decisions and just kept things positive. So, she moves out on him and lives with her mother for a while so she'll be safe

Recently, she told me she had moved into a new place and admitted that she had moved back in with the guy. My response? "Congratulations! You two make a cute couple." She responded with "Thanks, not quite the response I had expected." Hey, if she wants the 5hit kicked out of her, then she can go right ahead.

We still keep in contact, although it's always her who initiates it. She sent me a txt message today. I'll bet you guys can guess what happened over the holidays....

Yup, he proposed, and she said yes "after giggling, crying, and hyperventilating."

He's afraid of losing her again so he's tightening the grip. He also knows that she's attracted to me. I think it's funny that she responded with "yes" because it was only a few months ago we were doing the nasty in the back of my truck. I know if I presented the opportunity, she'd do it all over again

Your two major advantages when seducing women:
1) Women follow their emotions. Make them feel and you'll lead them like you can lead a dog with sausage

2) Most men are AFCs. Be more interesting and sexual than them, and you'll be the most attractive man in her life.

 

[squirrels]

Wow.

Are you trying to help this girl out on a personal level because you care about here?

If so, it's painfully obvious she doesn't WANT your help. She's making these stupid decisions and the only real reason she's even TELLING you, instead of ignoring you completely, is because she wants to fabricate drama in YOUR life and draw your attention.

You showed that you cared, so now she's trying to use this ridiculous self-destructive move not only to make her OWN life miserable, but to gain sympathetic attention from every person who is willing to give it to her.

Your response is the correct one. Essentially, "Best of luck...retard."

If I were you I would not waste any further time with this one. You got what you wanted...the sex. A woman who is this stupid has nothing else to offer you, and the sex now will either be very difficult to obtain, or will come with a high probability of drama in the form of an abusive f**ktard boyfriend.

You know, I often find myself saying things like, "I hate people". And I look at myself and wonder how I became so jaded and if the statement in its absolute form is really justified. Then I hear stories like this and it only gets confirmed.

I don't even date any more. I used to go after women thinking, "This girl will be a fun person to spend time with" and hoping, in the same vein, that SHE would enjoy just getting out and spending time with ME.

Now the 2000s sexual revolution has encountered a total backlash...women couldn't embrace the idea of enjoying their lives and instead, like men, look for a reason to suffer. Seriously, I am starting to think people in general CRAVE suffering. They seek out drama wherever they can find it. And they try to convince themselves that they are "suffering for a greater cause".

I see a woman behaving like this and I ask myself, "Why?" It doesn't make any sense. And what's worse, she probably KNOWS it's a mistake. Does she LOVE him? Probably not. But she does it any way.

The only conclusion I can come to is that some (and I dare say, MOST) people are just stupid.

 

[Desdinova]

Wow.

Are you trying to help this girl out on a personal level because you care about here?

Not at all. If someone is in need of help, I have no problem helping them. But if they do nothing to help themselves, I cannot do anything. I learned that the hard way. You can't help people who don't want to be helped.

I'm almost wondering if she's going along with it just to try and make me jealous. It wouldn't surprise me. The thing is, most women are just like her. They want that exciting male who will sweep them off their feet. Until that guy comes along, they'll settle for Mr. Comfortable AFC simply because it's better than having nothing.

It also gets me wondering about how women see the promise / engagement / wedding ring. I highly doubt that women see it as a promise to commitment. I think they see it more as evidence that they are valuable. They show off that ring to all their girlfriends to make them jealous. Women enjoy being valued more than they value commitment. Once another man makes her feel more valuable, that ring means fvck all.

 

[squirrels]

After spending that much time with that goon, he probably had her feeling so down on herself that she thought she could NEVER be married, which to the average female retard is a fate worse than death.

Lesson of the Plucked Chicken


During those final days of the collapsing Marxist experiment in the Soviet Union, Soviet novelist Chingiz Aitmatov retold the following story, which has been paraphrased here.

On one occasion, so it was narrated, Stalin called for a live chicken and proceeded to use it to make an unforgettable point before some of his henchmen. Forcefully clutching the chicken in one hand, with the other he began to systematically pluck out its feathers. As the chicken struggled in vain to escape, he continued with the painful denuding until the bird was completely stripped. “Now you watch,” Stalin said as he placed the chicken on the floor and walked away with some bread crumbs in his hand. Incredibly, the fear-crazed chicken hobbled toward him and clung to the legs of his trousers. Stalin threw a handful of grain to the bird, and it began to follow him around the room, he turned to his dumbfounded colleagues and said quietly, “This is the way to rule the people. Did you see how that chicken followed me for food, even though I had caused it such torture? People are like that chicken. If you inflict inordinate pain on them they will follow you for food the rest of their lives.”

Ravi Zacharias, Can Man Live Without God, (Word Publ., Dallas: 1994), pp. 26-27


Just how deep do you believe?
Will you bite the hand that feeds?

 

[jophil28]

Reseach "the cycle of violence"...scary, but enlightening.

 

[Scaramouche]

Interesting thread,I am indebted to Squirrels for that reference on Stalin,he must have been one one of the most evil bathbuns God ever shovelled guts into,but he knew life!!!......If I were you Desdinova,I would get out before the going gets tough,someone who knocks a Woman around won't hesitate to get even with you,and we are all extremely vulnerable...The Circle of Violence thing?well yeah can be true, but not in this case,this Lady has a masochistic streak,she wants to be abused,maybe enjoys being a victim,or Lord help us sees violent Men as being Macho and highly desirable..a little story,some years ago I was forced by circumstance into living on the fringes of Society,I shared a home with one of my ex students who pain had made a very successful alcoholic together with his crazy Russian housemate,who didn't need to be sore to abuse alcohol...To cut a long story short we used all enjoy the favours of an intelligent Muso who freelanced as a singer Dancer at the local Clubs,when she wasn't hawking her fork at our place...she was intelligent and attractive and very affectionate,but about every few weeks she would dissapear,to return with her face knocked around,bruises all over her body and pathetic stories of how her ex boy friend from the Coast had come back to virtually imprison her,rape and beat her up...this happened about five times...then things excalated she rang my mate,to say her ex had her imprisoned,that he was going to kill her with a knife and she needed help...well enough is enough,so down we trot to see the Gendarmes and asked for their intervention....Australia being a very lawful Country they dutifully raided the premises,only to be informed that she loved this Man and that we three Musketeers were trying to break them up...Plod was not impressed,the word mischievous charges was mentioned,and threats of dire reprisals if we ever tried to pull that stunt again...as it says in the good book"A strange Woman is as a ditch that a good Man may fall into and lose his Soul".

 

[Blue Phoenix]

Desdi, I was involved in a situation exactly like yours.

This girl was hot but something about her was wrong. She said her ex used to beat her up, that he had stolen all her money from he bank to buy drugs, he used to cheat on her all the time and so on. I was like wtf???? Then she came to me. She was in doubt about me, but when I showed her I didn´t care, and I was going to walk away she invited me to her house, lol, after that you get the picture. It was 3 months only of sex, I was "wow, I got lucky man". Things progressed and she started to push me for more intimacy because I was too aloof, guess what? After I started to show that I cared for her, she came up with a story that her ex was coming back!!! WTF????? DRAMA mode on went on for 2 months as I tried to cut off contact and she chasing me! lol. She only gave up when she could contact me by phone and blew up at my face. She used to say that ''for love" everything is possible (''love " lol)

It was fantastic, she nurtured me with sex and food. All I had to do was be emotionally unavailable and make her feel like a woman (aka banging her hard lol!). Whenever I asked for sex she said "here it is" lol. I didn´t need any other female as she was feeding me so well.

Tom Leykis is right, with insecure,psycho women the worse you treat them, more sex you will get. If you show that you care, they walk all over you.

They say: "Treat others not the way you want to be treated but the way THEY WANT to be treated".

 

[squirrels]

This is one of the scary things about women being "creatures of habit". You would think a girl who has been abused or neglected by a series of lovers will WELCOME someone "like you", who respects her and loves her for who she is.

The cold truth is that those early relationships (even stemming back to the way her father treated her or the way her father treated her mother) shape her impression of what "love" is. She can say all she wants that she wants THIS or wants THAT, but her brain becomes addicted to, and stimulated by, certain repeating patterns.

Women who have been abused by ex-lovers will behave toward you in a way that makes YOU WANT TO abuse them. Women who have been scorned and derided will behave in ways that makes YOU WANT TO insult and humiliate them.

If you step out for a second and look at the situation from an enlightened perspective, if you resist the "cycle" she's trying to make you a part of, she will turn and run the other way. Reason being that she CANNOT stand to even acknowledge the possibility that abuse and scorn are NOT part of romance...that the pattern she's been running with her WHOLE LIFE could possibly be WRONG.

That is, UNLESS there's a part of her that WANTS to be free of it.

But be careful...because many women will PRETEND to desire enlightenment as a means of hooking a good man into her scheme and to pull him into her frame. You'll know the difference...if you pay attention.

If you ever start seeing/dating a girl who mentions that she's had a "series" of bad relationships, especially with men who abused her, neglected her, stole from her, that kind of thing...this is a MAJOR RED FLAG and you should be on the verge of "dropping the plate" as soon as things turn uncomfortable for you.

If you're seeing a girl who is like Des's woman here, who claims to be an abusive relationship and claims to want out, but keeps going BACK to him and REFUSES to exert some willpower to get out, that is a MAJOR RED FLAG. This is a girl you should only waste time with so long as the sex is coming with no strings attached. Again, don't just be ABLE, be WAITING to drop her at the first sign of hardship.

Another classic red flag is a woman who you try to offer constructive criticism to, but instead of wanting to do something about her problems, she agrees with you, admits her problems, and uses them to put HERSELF down.

It's honestly no wonder so many men of dating-age become misogynists before it's all over.

Because of the social imperative to breed, we all descend into madness at about our 30s trying to make sense of what essentially is senseless. We assume that because we're rational, thinking creatures, for us, sex and reproduction should have some "higher purpose". We go on about notions such as "love". Truth is, animals in nature have been "coupling" forever. How many of THEM can embrace such a higher-consciousness concept as "love"?

Yet we assume that just because we have the capacity for thought, we all MUST have an innate concept of "love". Similarly, we assume that women are "experts at love" solely by virtue of being a cognitive creature with a va-jay-jay. The former assumption gives humans too much credit, the latter women especially. "Love" is only understood from experience. We can't really blame the ignorant for assuming every sex-driven emotion they feel that they can't describe is "love"...but it doesn't make it any better.

 

[jophil28]

This is one of the scary things about women being "creatures of habit". You would think a girl who has been abused or neglected by a series of lovers will WELCOME someone "like you", who respects her and loves her for who she is.

The cold truth is that those early relationships (even stemming back to the way her father treated her or the way her father treated her mother) shape her impression of what "love" is. She can say all she wants that she wants THIS or wants THAT, but her brain becomes addicted to, and stimulated by, certain repeating patterns.

Women who have been abused by ex-lovers will behave toward you in a way that makes YOU WANT TO abuse them. Women who have been scorned and derided will behave in ways that makes YOU WANT TO insult and humiliate them.

If you step out for a second and look at the situation from an enlightened perspective, if you resist the "cycle" she's trying to make you a part of, she will turn and run the other way. Reason being that she CANNOT stand to even acknowledge the possibility that abuse and scorn are NOT part of romance...that the pattern she's been running with her WHOLE LIFE could possibly be WRONG.

That is, UNLESS there's a part of her that WANTS to be free of it.

But be careful...because many women will PRETEND to desire enlightenment as a means of hooking a good man into her scheme and to pull him into her frame. You'll know the difference...if you pay attention.

If you ever start seeing/dating a girl who mentions that she's had a "series" of bad relationships, especially with men who abused her, neglected her, stole from her, that kind of thing...this is a MAJOR RED FLAG and you should be on the verge of "dropping the plate" as soon as things turn uncomfortable for you.

If you're seeing a girl who is like Des's woman here, who claims to be an abusive relationship and claims to want out, but keeps going BACK to him and REFUSES to exert some willpower to get out, that is a MAJOR RED FLAG. This is a girl you should only waste time with so long as the sex is coming with no strings attached. Again, don't just be ABLE, be WAITING to drop her at the first sign of hardship.

Another classic red flag is a woman who you try to offer constructive criticism to, but instead of wanting to do something about her problems, she agrees with you, admits her problems, and uses them to put HERSELF down.

It's honestly no wonder so many men of dating-age become misogynists before it's all over.

Because of the social imperative to breed, we all descend into madness at about our 30s trying to make sense of what essentially is senseless. We assume that because we're rational, thinking creatures, for us, sex and reproduction should have some "higher purpose". We go on about notions such as "love". Truth is, animals in nature have been "coupling" forever. How many of THEM can embrace such a higher-consciousness concept as "love"?

Yet we assume that just because we have the capacity for thought, we all MUST have an innate concept of "love". Similarly, we assume that women are "experts at love" solely by virtue of being a cognitive creature with a va-jay-jay. The former assumption gives humans too much credit, the latter women especially. "Love" is only understood from experience. We can't really blame the ignorant for assuming every sex-driven emotion they feel that they can't describe is "love"...but it doesn't make it any better.

Great post Squirrels, and your comments about how women repeat abusive experiences and even encourage and provoke them mirror my own observations.
The BPD/HPD ladies are probably the most extreme examples (and the most destructive) followed closely by the ACoA's. Fortunately there are 12 step recovery groups for the latter, but the former group just continues creating their trails of wreckage.

"Creatures of habit" indeed.

 

[Blue Phoenix]

The cold truth is that those early relationships (even stemming back to the way her father treated her or the way her father treated her mother) shape her impression of what "love" is. She can say all she wants that she wants THIS or wants THAT, but her brain becomes addicted to, and stimulated by, certain repeating patterns. Women who have been abused by ex-lovers will behave toward you in a way that makes YOU WANT TO abuse them. Women who have been scorned and derided will behave in ways that makes YOU WANT TO insult and humiliate them.

RIGHT ON THE MONEY my friend. That´s why I think it´s important to remember how the relationship between our parents was. They do shape the way the see the world when we become adults, they are our role models, we think that´s the way we should live. As children our parents are Gods, and we follow their lead. My father was an ass who didn´t give a damn and my mother was too passive and naive. I had 2 role models to follow and in the past I tried to be like my mom. Guess what? People took advantage of me. I would tolerate abuse and others would say "Hey, will you let these people treat you like this???" I would not bother because I had been trained to take sh!t from my dad (I could not confront God right?). You get the picture. Now I dump any girls´ass if I sense she´s taking me for granted.

All those things brought me to a psychologist who didn´t really help me much because she said "You´re the only one who can find the answer". After that I quit and tried to look for answers, that´s how I got here! :rockon:

This site opened my eyes about the "matrix". Thank God. Unfortunately, there are others who will never question their "role models". We have to reprogram our minds in order to move forward. ''As you think you shall become'',YET if you only think and do nothing, you won´t go too far.