Interacting With the MALES

[Upper]

As we all know, being a DJ goes beyond picking up. The more I improve my life, the better I'm getting with women. It's coming to a point where I don't even hit on girls, they just come talk to me and show IOIs all over.

One problem I'm facing however, is my lopsided social ability. After studying attraction, ******** etc. on SoSuave, I developed a good understanding of women and now get along with them easily. In fact I find them to be nice social people.

Guys on the other hand, from chump to the Alpha tend to be very defensive at the onset, especially towards "cooler" males. I was wondering if anyone has some tips on "opening" guys or proper interaction techniques? I need to address the problem as its impeding my personal progress and besides, sometimes you gotta win over the HB's friends.

I get along with men I meet consistently, but in a new setting I bump into roadblocks when trying to be social. Some warm up after realizing that I have a high value(and could introduce them to cool stuff/girls) but most prefer to continue with the facade.

I'm thinking there's 2 possible approach, but am not sure which is correct. Can fellow DJs shed some light, thanks.

One is to tap into their insecurities and butter up their ego, basically to get them talking about whatever they're proud of, be interested and broadcast it on their behalf. This however goes against the materials on this site of not being the beta-male and also David D was saying that we should always speak to other people on the same level or higher, never lower.

The other way is to AMOG, and while oddly enough some guys try to befriend you after getting snubbed, it's probably not the best way to disarm someone.

I'm curious to know the forum's take on this. Chances are it's been discussed before, but I can't find any on search, probably because of inaccurate keywords. Does anyone remember any old thread you've read, link please?

I've also looked for some books on connecting with people and charisma, one common suggestion is "How to win friends and influence people", anyone has other recommendations?

My personal goal is to be an all-around guy, not just successful in money and women, but also to get along with people from all walks of life. Also, I think being an alpha male within a pack of guys is naturally attractive and can only be beneficial to my game.

 

[Chemistry]

LOL…

You’re like a social deprave, it’s what happens when you read ‘techniques’ and forget about socializing normally like the rest of people do.

Guys are guys. We as guys are simple. If a guy starts talking to me in a club, or I see a guy who looks like someone who’s got a similar style and vibe as me then we’ll talk about guy things. Just ogle some girls, talk about sport, and be your stereotypical GUY there’s nothing more to it in building an initial bond.

 

[rocky_mtn]

When confronted by other alpha males I will often beat my chest with closed fists and jump up and down. It that doens't work I'll fling feces at their face.


But really, with other DJs, watch them because they will be scoping your game, but also build some rapaport so they don't become aggressive competitors.

Lift weights, be tough, let your balls swing when you walk. Its all about the social standing.

You can use some guys as an anchor point at the bar, next time you see him, you chat it up, make your self at home, then scope HBs from there. So don't always need to be confrontational with other guys at the bar. They can become barfriends and help you out for getting babes, but remember that they don't get any latitude for trust, they are just another horny bastard trying to score.

 

[Paper]

When confronted by other alpha males I will often beat my chest with closed fists and jump up and down. If that doens't work I'll fling feces at their face.
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Hahahah fling feces..thats great.

 

[Upper]

LOL…

You’re like a social deprave, it’s what happens when you read ‘techniques’ and forget about socializing normally like the rest of people do.

Guys are guys. We as guys are simple. If a guy starts talking to me in a club, or I see a guy who looks like someone who’s got a similar style and vibe as me then we’ll talk about guy things. Just ogle some girls, talk about sport, and be your stereotypical GUY there’s nothing more to it in building an initial bond.

Are you introverted in real-life? Cause you know they say people like you are the ones that get all pansy online. The only thing in your reply that I don't do is "ogle at girls", because when I see one I like, I approach. If I see one I don't like, I still approach just for the sake of knowing more people.

Otherwise the very first line in my post mentioned that I find better results with girls when I socialize normally and avoid techniques.

The later part explained that I DO just walk up to guys and start talking, unfortunately they get all recessive. I'm not sure if I come across as rude, intimating or simply because the guys in my area are just less social, but now that I recognize the problem, I am seeking ways to solve it on my part because how others behave is beyond my control.

Man, in the past there'd be some constructive insights but judging from the replies on Page 1 threads, it seems that the trolls have taken over. Keyboard Jocks dishing out advice, negative people putting down RAFC's attempts etc.

 

[KoalaKing]

I don't talk to or socialize with other guys very much at all, I have two close male friends who are older than me who I see quite a bit of, they are neither Alpha or AFC, but kind of in the middle of both, I have shared houses with both of these guys, and have known them for many years, I met one in 1988 and the other in 1993, a long time ago.

I love to go into bars, shops, the beach, and walk around the parks of my city by myself and cold approach any hot babes who by their body language reveal their attractions towards me.

I find it a lot easier to talk to the hot babes than I do to the other guys because I have studied the psychology of the womans mind emotions and behavioural patterns a lot more than I have the other guys, due to my desire to be successful with them.

To tell you the truth I don't really know how to relate with the other guys, as I have placed all of my attentions towards the attracting of and winning over of the hottest babes.

If I see a group of 4 or 6 hot babes together at the shops, the beach, or in a bar, I find it very easy and comfortable to cold approach them to chat one of them up, but I am no where near as comfortable around a group of other guys.

Other guys rarely approach me, talk to me, or show any real desires to get to know me, it is almost as if I don't even exist in their eyes.

I never get hassled by the other guys, its just that they never pay much attention to me at all, unless they are jealous because a hot babe that they desire to be with is attracted to me, then they can become hot under the collar, but I can usually sort things out before a fight begins.

Hot babes on the other hand are much more responsive towards me and I can start up a conversation with one very easily.

It may seem strange because I often see a lot of the more AlphaMale and Cool types of dudes associating and befriending and hanging out with each other, yet I can attract the hot babes, but nor the AlphaMale Cool type or the AFC Dorky type, ever seem to want to get to know me.

This could be because of my own disinterest in them or my body language shutting them out, I just don't know, but my desire is always to meet hot babes and I probably come accross as being a lot friendlier and open to my talking to them than I do with the other guys.

This is a interesting topic and one that has opened my eyes quite a bit.

 

[DJ_in_making]

If you're making friends with the guys and ignoring and teasing the target, they will automatically lower their defense b/c they'll think you don't like her. Seem as though you went in there just to talk to the guys about "guy stuff" and the girl JUST HAPPENED to be there. And then the girl will be more into you b/c she wants your attention...

You can also use your wingman to keep the guys occupied while gaming the girl.

 

[DJ_in_making]

I don't talk to or socialize with other guys very much at all,


I find it a lot easier to talk to the hot babes than I do to the other guys because I have studied the psychology of the womans mind emotions and behavioural patterns a lot more than I have the other guys, due to my desire to be successful with them.

To tell you the truth I don't really know how to relate with the other guys, as I have placed all of my attentions towards the attracting of and winning over of the hottest babes.

If I see a group of 4 or 6 hot babes together at the shops, the beach, or in a bar, I find it very easy and comfortable to cold approach them to chat one of them up, but I am no where near as comfortable around a group of other guys.

Other guys rarely approach me, talk to me, or show any real desires to get to know me, it is almost as if I don't even exist in their eyes.


Hot babes on the other hand are much more responsive towards me and I can start up a conversation with one very easily.



I probably come accross as being a lot friendlier and open to my talking to them than I do with the other guys.

This is a interesting topic and one that has opened my eyes quite a bit.

Wow! This is very very rare. I never heard a guy say its easier to talk to girls than guys, b/c most girls think you want something when you're talking to them even if that's not the case and most guys don't think about that.

Its very important to be able to befriend guys as well, if you walk in a bar and automatically your social value increases a lot. Or if you you're leading a pack of male friends you also look very cool.

 

[Visceral]

Man, I've wanted to ask this question for a long time. I'm in the same position. After coming to this site, I understand women far better than I understand men. I've been the scrawny little nerd all my life, so I've always been very intimidated by other men and avoided them, so I never learned how to deal with them ... or how to be a man myself. I still am intimidated, but hopefully if I know the rules, I at least won't be afraid of making any big mistakes.

So long as you're still better than the other guy, then somehow I don't think that complimenting him on his strengths would put you in an inferior position. Most likely he'd be thrilled to be recognized by a higher status male. Just don't pump him up so much that he starts to think he's better than he is (or better than you); that's when you'd have to worry about becoming the beta male.

If I were you, I'd save AMOG-ing for guys you're already tight with. I've only ever seen good friends do this, and even then it's kept light and obviously meant in good fun. There can't be any doubt in the other man's mind that you're just teasing and actually respect him, or else he'll definitely get defensive, and if you take it too far, you'll have a fight on your hands as he tries to make you give him the respect he thinks he deserves.

The later part explained that I DO just walk up to guys and start talking, unfortunately they get all recessive. I'm not sure if I come across as rude, intimating or simply because the guys in my area are just less social, but now that I recognize the problem, I am seeking ways to solve it on my part because how others behave is beyond my control.

Maybe to approach and initiate is a sign of dominance for both sexes, not just for women - but while women open up when you engage them (provided you have high status in their eyes), men might do just the opposite: get submissive and clam up (or say or do something to knock you down a peg if he has higher status than you do).

Maybe there's a pretty strong pack mentality out there, and few men will respond well to another man who isn't part of his larger group. Maybe you'd have to engage the leader, impress him, and be accepted into the group before the others will acknowledge you.

 

[Upper]

It's good to know that other guys are having the same problem as me - can easily approach and open girls, but getting snubbed by males.

My personal experience goes beyond hitting mixed-sets(eg. guys with girls), even when hitting on a men-only set most are pretty clammed up, even though there are some nice receptive guys. So I go on to the next set and if it's a guy-set again, I get ignored even worst. But if I'm dealing with a girl-set, I get to close them, wth?

I guess you're right, they might be just out on the prowl for girls and I'm disrupting them, but can't people just open up and be social these days? And I really hope to find some ways of interacting and getting along with males because having sex isn't my only interest in life.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

I don't talk to or socialize with other guys very much at all,

So all you do in your free time is date women? What happens when your 2 guy friends leave the country or something?

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

Time for some truthful rap lyrics:

GAME RECOGNIZES GAME; HO'S DO TOO.

 

[superchristx]

You play men even colder than you do women, basically you neg them harder and more blatantly (with a big smile) and you can't be afraid of really long pauses. If you roll up to men all smiles and openers (like you would a woman) they will think you're a f@ggot. Don't smile, don't ingratiate yourself, don't 'engage' them or face them. Talk about a common interest, safe bets are:

professions, machines, drinking, games, money, stories, broads.

And just remember you aren't there to talk to them specifically, you are there having a drink, or a cigarette, or taking a break, or scoping out sluts, and just happen to be talking to them. That way when there's a long silence (not a probelm among men) you don't have to walk away, feel like the interaction is over. Men can interact in total silence, men are bonded by a common cultural experience. Being a man is great, oh god I'm glad I don't have a vagina.