Indirect seduction - it's easy

[Jariel]

Lately I have dropped all techniques and attempts to seduce women, and what I'm doing instead is just talking to them the same way I would talk to anybody else. I just hold a conversation and show an interest in getting to know them. I don't use any c+f, neghits or kino and I don't even think about "closing".

What has been happening is that the women who are interested make it really easy for me. They give off signals in their body language, ask questions about me, agree with me or try to find common ground, drop hints about being single and available, and I often see them getting quite flustered. At this point it's pretty obvious they are interested and all I have to do is ask for a number and a date and voila.

The cool thing about this is that these women are attracted to me and my natural personality, not some seduction or manipulation techniques.

It has made me realise something very important. Men who resort to tactics have very no faith and confidence in who they are. Men who are confident in themselves will just be themselves.

Attraction isn't something that "works" or "doesn't work"; it's either there or it's not.

Talking from personal experience, not trying to seduce women is more effective than trying. I'm just curious if anyone else has found the same thing?

 

[Double]

yes. women do a better job at seducing anyway....

 

[Qmanchoo]

It's funny you relate this experience because I was thinking about this on my way to work this morning. For almost a year and a half I studied David D and his "seduction techniques" because I had very little to no prior experience with women. I thought I had some secret key no other guys knew and I'd be knocking them dead left and right. The reality is that you can come across quit odd with a lack of social skills using some of his techniques...playing hard to get...intentional verbal manipulation... ****y comedy to make the insecure women feel that you are a superior man... or amuse secure women with your bravado...but the big realization I had is that you cant just insert these things into your personality and have them stick long term. It's very hard to program your brain to think another way outside of REAL life POWERFUL emotional influence/experience.

Like the natural progression of a nice guy building a thicker skin after getting burned a few times.

I attracted a girl with David D's techniques and had a 6 month relationship with her, the problem was that...just like the girls are falling for your YOU personality...she fell for my "C/F David D techniques" personality not ME. So it turned into a constant headache for me to create new material, so to speak, on a regular basis. In the end it didn't work out because the techniques were just a thin layer added to my overall personality.

To be quite honest, the number 1 thing that has increased my success with women was after I started coaching two regional sports teams and took a position of responsibility and influence over peoples lives. It's not that women noticed I was now "in a position of power" it was the simple fact that being in this position makes me feel like a man on a regular basis. I lead, command, plan, discipline, teach, give and get respect, motivate, bust balls when people don't perform, and provide support for the guy who need it. It's like I've created a lifestyle for myself that brings out the natural essence of what being a man is all about and as a result I'm rewarded with this feeling of ... fulfillment, strength, and comfort with my life and lifestyle where women don't matter as much as they used to, but they are great to have around and as a result they are attracted to your vibe.

It all comes naturally when you really feel like a man and have a good life going on. You just have to make sure you weed out the crazy ones!

I do want to say though, to David D's credit, everything he teaches that relates to being a MAN is probably the most useful info you can take away from what he teaches.

 

[Kaparski]

Originally posted by Jariel

Talking from personal experience, not trying to seduce women is more effective than trying. I'm just curious if anyone else has found the same thing?

Yes and No.

When i go into clubs with my buddies and saying ya lets get some tonite, it rarely happens. But when I go just to relax, I find myself more open to chat, and pick up numbers much easier. going in there WITHOUT the intention, I tend to do much better. However in terms of seducing its important to learn how to develop these crucial skills. It makes u a better lover and allows u to perform much at ease since you have a grasp on what to do. Additionally, displaying all these traits relaxes the women since youve shown that ur confidence and have a handle on making love, making it easier to try new things with her.

Originally posted by Qmanchoo
I attracted a girl with David D's techniques and had a 6 month relationship with her, the problem was that...just like the girls are falling for your YOU personality...she fell for my "C/F David D techniques" personality not ME. So it turned into a constant headache for me to create new material, so to speak, on a regular basis. In the end it didn't work out because the techniques were just a thin layer added to my overall personality.

Ya his advice is soley for picking up and learning the game. ITs good to get some experience down before u go into a LTR. However its a great element for any occasion so keep it in the back of the mind.

 

[FollowTheWhiteRabbit]

A similar point I made here. Its true though the best advice is "Be yourself". What I mean by be yourself is, not to act all AFC and supplicative but be yourself and go for what you want for you. You think a girls hot then go for her, you want to get a steak dinner then go get a steak dinner, she asks you what the two of you will be doing, well if you like skee ball then tell her yoru going to play skee ball. If she says she doesnt want to go then fine shes not the right girl for you.

Youll find a better girl for you by doing what you want and being yourself, then by being fake. When I get flaked on I just shrug it off and move on. F.ck her, I dont chase girls.

Also the last post in that thread I linked is good also, talks about habit. If you just talk to girls out of habit it is far less stressful because it becomes normal. Just watch for the buying signals and number close the girl.

Have fun, *hint hint*

 

[drixsa]

Welcome to the next level, brother Jariel.